Tapered head tubes and Hard Tails
h34e0f
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I've been looking into a lot of different Hardtail frames, and haven't come across one with a tapered head tube and it got me thinking; is there a reason they're not including them on HT frames? Cost? Or is it simply something that has no use on a HT?
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you have not been looking hard enough. plenty out there."Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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I've been mostly looking at the common AMHT style frames that most people use such as the Stiffee, Blue Pig, Mmmbop, TransAM etc.
These are some of the most popular/common HT frames, yet none have it. I'd have expected the more common ones to have the 'better' technology0 -
the One-on 456 carbon is the first I think of. and there are many many more.
a lot of the focus and trek frames."Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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h34e0f wrote:I've been mostly looking at the common AMHT style frames that most people use such as the Stiffee, Blue Pig, Mmmbop, TransAM etc.
These are some of the most popular/common HT frames, yet none have it. I'd have expected the more common ones to have the 'better' technology
you call frames from a small UK Brand to be more common?
focus makes more that any "UK" brand and Trek is massive so I would say it is the opposite way round."Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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Some would say it's not even a technology, it's a fitment type.0
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The Mmmbop (and most other ragley frames) have a full 1.5" steerer. Combine that with the right headset means you can run a fork with various steerer widths.
It does seem like some of the other steely manufacturers are being left behind a bit though...0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:
Some would say it's not neccesarilly a "better technology" anyway.h34e0f wrote:I'd have expected the more common ones to have the 'better' technology
Hence the inverted commas.nicklouse wrote:h34e0f wrote:I've been mostly looking at the common AMHT style frames that most people use such as the Stiffee, Blue Pig, Mmmbop, TransAM etc.
These are some of the most popular/common HT frames, yet none have it. I'd have expected the more common ones to have the 'better' technology
you call frames from a small UK Brand to be more common?
focus makes more that any "UK" brand and Trek is massive so I would say it is the opposite way round.
What I meant by this is, most discussions regarding hardcore/am hardtails tend to boil down to someone mentioning, or buying a frame like the ones listed above.0 -
Chunkers1980 wrote:Some would say it's not even a technology, it's a fitment type.
Quite right.
But anyway, why are you (OP) even concerned about a tapered headtube?0 -
h34e0f wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:
Some would say it's not neccesarilly a "better technology" anyway.h34e0f wrote:I'd have expected the more common ones to have the 'better' technology
Hence the inverted commas.nicklouse wrote:h34e0f wrote:I've been mostly looking at the common AMHT style frames that most people use such as the Stiffee, Blue Pig, Mmmbop, TransAM etc.
These are some of the most popular/common HT frames, yet none have it. I'd have expected the more common ones to have the 'better' technology
you call frames from a small UK Brand to be more common?
focus makes more that any "UK" brand and Trek is massive so I would say it is the opposite way round.
What I meant by this is, most discussions regarding hardcore/am hardtails tend to boil down to someone mentioning, or buying a frame like the ones listed above.
they are available, CRC has them. the rest are bikes and not online."Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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yeehaamcgee wrote:Chunkers1980 wrote:Some would say it's not even a technology, it's a fitment type.
Quite right.
But anyway, why are you (OP) even concerned about a tapered headtube?
I'm just trying to learn; and so wondered why a fair amount of the newer FS bikes come with a tapered head tube, but most of the HT frames I was looking at have a standard one.0 -
h34e0f wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:Chunkers1980 wrote:Some would say it's not even a technology, it's a fitment type.
Quite right.
But anyway, why are you (OP) even concerned about a tapered headtube?
I'm just trying to learn; and so wondered why a fair amount of the newer FS bikes come with a tapered head tube, but most of the HT frames I was looking at have a standard one.
But they don't! :roll:0 -
CycloRos wrote:h34e0f wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:Chunkers1980 wrote:Some would say it's not even a technology, it's a fitment type.
Quite right.
But anyway, why are you (OP) even concerned about a tapered headtube?
I'm just trying to learn; and so wondered why a fair amount of the newer FS bikes come with a tapered head tube, but most of the HT frames I was looking at have a standard one.
But they don't! :roll:
What don't? FS bikes with tapered head tubes?0 -
Tapered may be preferred on bikes with longer travel (hence AM+ types) as the stiffness and strength benefits are going to be more useful than on an XC type bike.
On HTs you'll find them more on hardcore frames. Simple. Everything trades off in someway.0 -
This.yeehaamcgee wrote:
To be brutally honest, it's almost entirely fashion.h34e0f wrote:wondered why a fair amount of the newer FS bikes come with a tapered head tube
Never have i thought, you know what my steerer tube and frame are just too flexy
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h34e0f wrote:...
What don't? FS bikes with tapered head tubes?
see my earlier post. there are plenty HT frames with non-standard head tubes.
agree with most that it does just seem to be the latest thang. Next years Giant Anthem X has a tapered head tube ffs!0 -
h34e0f wrote:...
What don't? FS bikes with tapered head tubes?
see my earlier post. there are plenty HT frames with non-standard head tubes.
agree with most that it does just seem to be the latest thang. Next years Giant Anthem X has a tapered head tube ffs!0 -
h34e0f wrote:CycloRos wrote:see my earlier post. there are plenty HT frames with non-standard head tubes.!
See my earlier post saying "most of the HT frames I was looking at have a standard one."
I beg to differ...
Basically, you're looking at frames that don't have tapered headtubes. If you were looking at frames that DID have them, you would be seeing them. simpelz.h34e0f wrote:I've been looking into a lot of different Hardtail frames, and haven't come across one with a tapered head tube and it got me thinking; is there a reason they're not including them on HT frames? Cost? Or is it simply something that has no use on a HT?0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:Basically, you're looking at frames that don't have tapered headtubes. If you were looking at frames that DID have them, you would be seeing them. simpelz.
Well we appear to have deduced from this post, however convoluted, smart-arsey and aggressive the answer may have been, that my search was not wide enough, and that I must search elsewhere rather than this friendly forum for an example or two, or some information on tapered head tubes and their use within a Hardtail frame.0 -
So you don't like being incorrect huh?h34e0f wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:Basically, you're looking at frames that don't have tapered headtubes. If you were looking at frames that DID have them, you would be seeing them. simpelz.
Well we appear to have deduced from this post, however convoluted, smart-arsey and aggressive the answer may have been, that my search was not wide enough, and that I must search elsewhere rather than this friendly forum for an example or two, or some information on tapered head tubes and their use within a Hardtail frame.
Humility goes a long way, you know.
So far, you've been told of a few hardtail frames with tapered head tubes, and why some people don't think it's an issue.
What else do you actually want to know?0 -
CycloRos wrote:but I gave you some examples! most of the new Ragley frames including the ones you claimed to have looked at! bored now...
That was aimed at yeehaamcgee, as every post I make he seems to think it's his job to come back with arsey comments.
The Ragley frames have 1.5in head tubes; I'm confused how this can be the same as a tapered variety?yeehaamcgee wrote:So you don't like being incorrect huh?
Humility goes a long way, you know.
So far, you've been told of a few hardtail frames with tapered head tubes, and why some people don't think it's an issue.
What else do you actually want to know?
Yes of course I was incorrect, when I was asking a question and clearly had no knowledge of the subject. I would be incorrect if I'd come in and said "No hard tails have tapered head tubes."
As above really. I gained an answer, and I had learned that I had missed the frames I was wondering about; so there was no need for your smart arse comments.
Lighten up.0 -
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yeehaamcgee wrote:
Pretty much as said there. If you require further discussion on the subject I suggest it is not in the confinement of this topic.0
