hope x2's?

kdawg74

like i say everyone has a preference, i like what they make, the fact its made in the uk and the after sales is one of the best in my opinion.
Making sacrifices at the alter not quite yet, but a bit of devotion yes due to the above.
I know there's better stuff out there no question.
Kudos on still having some C2's.

tofu21

spennyy2k wrote:

ok then to sum up after going off track a little x2's or M4's? not bothered about the weight really im no racer and am not doing 100000 miles a week. just want good power, durable and as little maintainance as poss. ive had jucys before and wasnt that fussed, old xt's were good but noisey most of the time and hayes rydes atm and have had better from cantis tbh

For general cross country use go for the X2s. The M4s would be well over the top unless you were throwing th bike down something pretty serious.

I run 185/160 n the epic and HT and 203/185 on the full sus. Upping the rotor size will increase the power.

leaflite

I run x2s with 183/160 rotors and find that they have more than enough power for the kind of riding I do

benpinnick

I agree with all of you! If I wanted British with great back up, I'd buy hope. If I wanted cheap and powerful, relatively easy to set up, and liable to need bleeding every third ride, I would have elixirs (which aren't Juicy).... but ultimately I would probably wait for the new XTs.

Oh, and I have some pre-c2 c2s too. The ones with the dial on the top of the levers. Mega.

benpinnick

IN a weird Yeehaa like thing, I also run a Bulb rr and Pro II front. Its the winning combination.

Anonymous

New XTs were released a week or so ago. Got a set on the front of the wolfridge right now.

benpinnick

yeehaamcgee wrote:

New XTs were released a week or so ago. Got a set on the front of the wolfridge right now.

Where from?

supersonic

Which X2s? Tech or Race? Race are so low on power you are better off opening your mouth and using your tongue as an air brake. Tech slightly better but still the 3rd worst brake on the dyno when BR tested, M4 a little better still but heavy and expensive.

If you want balls out power then the Deore M595 or the new Shimano XT.

Anonymous

benpinnick wrote:

yeehaamcgee wrote:

New XTs were released a week or so ago. Got a set on the front of the wolfridge right now.

Where from?

Got mine from Evans.

Ah, good to see Sonic back - with solid, conclusive, proven cold hard facts

spennyy2k

tech not race

supersonic

Still low on power compared to alternives. Well modulated, but if you want power, avoid. Just better out there for less money.

jasonm945

I have M4's front and rear for every day riding, but then I weigh 18 stone! They have reliable,powerful and (mostly) squeal free for the last 18 months...

I would recommend them, but then I had no problems with the mono mini's I had before them!

I am not a hopeaphile, I think the headsets are gash, the seatpost is overated, but I do like the brakes, hubs and BB's for longevity...

Jay

Ryan Jones

I hadn't really got much of a beef with my avid juicy 3's, they seemed to cope well enough with the rides they've been on, however I'm going to get rid of them as the left hand reservoir cap has mysteriously begun to shed some of it's paint, which doesn't inspire confidence in their long term durability at all !

Formula ORO's either 18's or 24's seem like a good replacement for how much they can be attained for ! And the XT 785's don't come with the Ice-tek rotors which will add another £35-40 for each one at evans, where the K18's can be attained for £140 front and back.

Anonymous

You already have rotors though, you don't need the ice-tek ones, prticularly if you're not even cooking juicy 3s.

Ryan Jones

Ohh there was some fade and a lot of squealing, and never going to flip yourself over the handlebars with them but they weren't like an old set of promax cable disks that's for sure, or even some of the old shimano units !

Anonymous

So apart from fading, lack of power, and being noisy, you had no beef with them?
It seems my expectations and standards in brakes are significantly higher then.

Ryan Jones

They clearly are to be fair, I think it's time to upgrade

So out of interest which rotors are you running with the XT's ?

101_North

I've been running the new XT's for about 2 months now and they are awesome - powerful, great modulation, quiet, loads of pad clearance once bedded in and look fantastic. Also very, very easy to bleed. Seeing as it's been mentioned already - I have no idea what the free point adjustment does either

Ran superstar rotors for abit and they were fine. Then for no reason other than I wanted them I got the standard XT (SM-RT76) rotors for about £16 an end from Rosebikes and they've been superb. If I had 1 criticism of the new XT's it would be that the finned pads can rattle in the caliper a bit as they are quite top heavy. Not an issue though as I never intended to replace them once they're done - it'll be standard pads when it comes to replacing them. Can't really see the point in the finned pads for the riding I do - and there's part of me that reckons the idea behind them is cobblers

For the £180 I paid I reckon they're well worth every penny.

101

Dick Scruttock

I would go with the new XT's. Having ran the new XTR Trail brakes for a while i have been very impressed with them and the XT ones are a similar brake. I would not touch hope again, they are like the orange 5 of the brake world . O and when you go in a hope tech shop and the owner runs another brand of brakes on all his bikes it says a lot to me.

Anonymous

Ryan Jones wrote:

So out of interest which rotors are you running with the XT's ?

Erm, a 203mm one I nicked off my mate yonks ago. I think it might be a Hayes one. It's ok, I got his permission before lightening his spares box.


The free stroke adjustment adjusts how much movement you have in the lever beore the pad makes contact. It's a tricky one to set up, because if you get it wrong you could end up totally eliminating the whole servo-wave advantage, leaving you with very wooden, very useless brakes.
I think I remember a similar thing with old DX v-brakes too (I never had any shimano servo wave hydraulics)

Shaggy_Dog

yeehaamcgee wrote:

XT M785. The best of the very best.
£99 quid that you won't regret spending.

Agreed, I have ridden the Tech X2's and whilst I loved the ease of lever setup, the power was a little underwhelming. Shimanos are bonkers tough too and virtually never go wrong. Hope are good, but not quite as good.

Shaggy_Dog

Ryan Jones wrote:

the left hand reservoir cap has mysteriously begun to shed some of it's paint, which doesn't inspire confidence in their long term durability at all !

I wouldn't worry about that, my juicy 5's did that from new in 2005 and 6 years later still going strong without a single bleed!

getonyourbike

Shaggy_Dog wrote:

Ryan Jones wrote:

the left hand reservoir cap has mysteriously begun to shed some of it's paint, which doesn't inspire confidence in their long term durability at all !

I wouldn't worry about that, my juicy 5's did that from new in 2005 and 6 years later still going strong without a single bleed!

when I had that they were actually leaking brake fluid. I sent them straight off to the SRAM tech centre and they sent out some Elixir 5s which I sold for £20 more than I paid for the Oros I replaced them with. Better brakes and I made a profit, no brainer.

Ryan Jones

I do suspect it's leaking brake fluid as it's centred around one of the screws, which is hardly impressive given their use ! Thanks for the advice, but the sram tech centre is trade only should I query the shop I brought the bike from ?

getonyourbike

Ryan Jones wrote:

I do suspect it's leaking brake fluid as it's centred around one of the screws, which is hardly impressive given their use ! Thanks for the advice, but the sram tech centre is trade only should I query the shop I brought the bike from ?

I got in touch with the head honcho at the tech centre and fired them straight off to him.