F1 - Montreal

DonDaddyD

Did you see that Marshal fall on the foor, I thought he had it.

Hope Schmacher gets a podium just for nostalgia...

Button is racing superb, Hamilton could learn a little about keeping your head.... Button seemingly has learned a little about aggression from Hamilton... I think.

itboffin

DonDaddyD wrote:

Did you see that Marshal fall on the foor, I thought he had it.

Hope Schmacher gets a podium just for nostalgia...

Button is racing superb, Hamilton could learn a little about keeping your head.... Button seemingly has learned a little about aggression from Hamilton... I think.

You a fan of the German NA then ...?

tsk! youth of today!

greg66_tri_v2.0

Is Button going to snatch the win, from stone last at halfway?

greg66_tri_v2.0

YES!!!!!!

dhope

What a finish!

EKE_38BPM

I am so glad that Button won. Driver of the day, no doubt.

walkingbootweather

Awesome race. Well done Jenson!

EKE_38BPM

EKE_38BPM wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Great race.

Not really

I take that back.

DonDaddyD

Brilliant just brilliant.

Secondary though: I don't like DRS, seems to me that there is no way of defending your position once DRS is active. So while it's an overtake it's not really competitive because the overtake is going to happen.

desweller

First one of the closest finishes ever at Le Mans, then a last lap pass for the lead in the Grand Prix.

I'm spent.

EKE_38BPM

DonDaddyD wrote:

Brilliant just brilliant.

Secondary though: I don't like DRS, seems to me that there is no way of defending your position once DRS is active. So while it's an overtake it's not really competitive because the overtake is going to happen.

I know what you mean, but it depends where they put the activation line. When they get it wrong, the overtake is a gimme, when they get it right, it just makes it possible, but not too easy.

dhope

DonDaddyD wrote:

Brilliant just brilliant.

Secondary though: I don't like DRS, seems to me that there is no way of defending your position once DRS is active. So while it's an overtake it's not really competitive because the overtake is going to happen.

Current activation points seem a bit hit and miss. Today you had a relatively easy pass with the first opening, then the second just made certain there was no attempt at the repass.

After today's finish such a shame Monaco had that final safety car or we'd have had a similarly barnstorming end to there too.

walkingbootweather

I dunno, certainly get more overtaking with DRS,and presumably the overtaken car can use DRS to fight bak in the next lap if they can get close enough.

I want DRS on my bike.

greg66_tri_v2.0

But you have to make it stick - if you can't pull more than a one second lead over the next lap, you get taken back. It is pretty good therefore at clearing out genuinely slower cars who are holding position by timing their one move on the straight to block the passer.

Bikequin

What a fantastic race! Well worth the 5 1/2 hours of my Sunday its taken up.

EKE_38BPM

Finishes like that are the reason I love sport, any sport.

You can't script things like that, everyone would say its too far fetched. A bit like Liverpool coming back from 3-0 at half time to win the Champions League final.

Flyingbogey

Same here, Top 3 are the Liverpool Milan, Man U turning over Bayern, but number 1 was Hamilton clinching the championship in Brazil after throwing it away and doing Glock on virtually the last bend of the race. Good old god sending down a few spots of rain. You just can't script a better drama.

EKE_38BPM

Yeah, watching Massa's dad celebrating and then his face dropping when Lewis crossed the line to take the title was priceless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv1onM8gfXU#t=0m50s

nich

MAGIC BUTTON

Gazzaputt

Hamilton has lost it for me. He's a liability and McClaren could do better and should bin him off. He has a self belief that isn't warranted.

Button showed him the way yesterday. A majestic drive.

TheStone

I don't get it.
Nothing seemed to happen all day until the last lap, which was a mistake, not a overtake.

I'm not saying it was ever good, but seems so contrived now. DRS, safety car every couple of laps, tyre usage etc.

Very strange. Not a sport.

Paul E

TheStone wrote:

I don't get it.
Nothing seemed to happen all day until the last lap, which was a mistake, not a overtake.

I'm not saying it was ever good, but seems so contrived now. DRS, safety car every couple of laps, tyre usage etc.

Very strange. Not a sport.

Then don't watch it then and let everyone else enjoy it, and it is still a sport.

rick_chasey

Button, as ever, is best in changeable conditions. Shame for him F1 is always done in the summer eh?

Anyone else enjoy Schumacher's brief relapse into his former rainmeister self?

nation

Nothing happened all day because it was red-flagged due to the rain. You can't run single-seaters when there's standing water on the track.

Canada gets more of itsshare of safety cars at the best of times because it's an old-style cramped track, and tyre management has always been a part of motorsport.

rick_chasey

nation wrote:

. You can't run single-seaters when there's standing water on the track.

They used to. Spain '96 anyone?

It's worth taking a look at.

The way the cars are developing means they are not as stable in the wet as they used to be.

The authorities should look at that. Rain at races does happen, and the cars should be able to cope, else they rob the public of the spectacle.

DonDaddyD

Greg66 wrote:

But you have to make it stick - if you can't pull more than a one second lead over the next lap, you get taken back. It is pretty good therefore at clearing out genuinely slower cars who are holding position by timing their one move on the straight to block the passer.

But DRS makes it all about the car.

I would argue that the more skillful driver is able to defend his position, by blocking the driver in the faster car while going around the track - especially the bends. I mean if your only chance of actual overtaking is on a straight because you're in the faster car added by DRS then I'm not really seeing any skill. It's why - despite my criticism - Hamilton is both an exciting and arguably most skillful driver on the track, he is prepared and has the skill to overtake during the race around the corners and not only rely on DRS.

dhope

TheStone wrote:

I don't get it.
Nothing seemed to happen all day until the last lap, which was a mistake, not a overtake.

I'm not saying it was ever good, but seems so contrived now. DRS, safety car every couple of laps, tyre usage etc.

Very strange. Not a sport.

Nothing seemed to happen? Did you not notice Button making his way from 21st to 2nd before that mistake?
Battles for remaining podium places between Schuey, Webber, Button and Massa?

I'm not convinced by DRS either but I do think forcing use of two compounds with different properties introduces uncertainty that requires planning and tyre management to overcome.

Safety car was sensible. These cars run millimetres from the ground. All well and good saying just MTFU and drive but when you're off the ground aquaplaning then there's little you can do to avoid ending up in a wall, so you pick the sensible option and deploy a safety car.

And not a sport? How? What *exactly* qualifies something as a sport. F1 not a sport, but touring cars are, or Moto GP? Or nothing with engines. How about Snooker, or Darts?

DonDaddyD

TheStone wrote:

I don't get it.
Nothing seemed to happen all day until the last lap, which was a mistake, not a overtake.

I'm not saying it was ever good, but seems so contrived now. DRS, safety car every couple of laps, tyre usage etc.

Very strange. Not a sport.

I would argue that punctures, falling off, mechanical issues and waiting until the final moments to attack in cycling leaves it boring. But it doesn't it's all build up, tactical planning and contribute/is part of the sport.

DRS not withstanding - I have issues with it. Safety car, tyre usage, rain, 'the long pause', keeping mentally sharp during the 2hr break - the uncertainty is all part of the sport.

I enjoyed it, it was something different.

EKE_38BPM

dhope wrote:

And not a sport? How? What *exactly* qualifies something as a sport. F1 not a sport, but touring cars are, or Moto GP? Or nothing with engines. How about Snooker, or Darts?

I don't see Golf or Darts as sports. To me, even many athletic events are border-line.
I think that in a sport you should be able to effect and interfere with your opposition (a tackle in football, moving your opponent around the court in Tennis, an overtake in motorsport etc) to prevent them gaining an advantage or scoring points.
In Golf, all you can do is play your own game as well as you can and hope the pressure you apply puts your opponent off their game.
Connect 4 is more of a sport than Golf.

I fully expect to get flamed, but I don't see my mind being changed.
I'm with Lee Evans when it comes to Golf: Golf is long distance snooker for w4nkers.

rick_chasey

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