I ♥ Contador

Gazzetta67

frenchfighter wrote:

Gaz boy, was that a useful post. No. Why bother then. You are just being antagonistic*

FYI, Sean Kelly is not on the list Chung posted above as he has not won the Tour or Giro.

FF i am not being antagonistic - werz ur sense of humour ...there was a couple of folk pulling his leg and yes i did see the list I was on about the fact he had never heard of Kelly.





(*http://www.thefreedictionary.com/antagonistic)

jerry3571

Gazzetta67 wrote:

Chung Mee wrote:

BarryBonds wrote:

Contador . Great to watch, brilliant tallent and seems like a nice guy. Good on him.

Oh and information people forget. Armstrong HAS tested positive for EPO. And tested, It would appear beyond reasonable scientific doubt, its just that he was never sanctioned for it.

Really? When?

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Contador's on this list:

Only five cyclists have won all three of the Grand Tours during their career:

* Jacques Anquetil (FRA): 5 Tours (1957, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964), 2 Giro (1960, 1964), 1 Vuelta (1963).
* Alberto Contador (ESP): 3 Tours (2007, 2009, 2010), 2 Giro (2008, 2011), 1 Vuelta (2008)
* Felice Gimondi (ITA): 1 Tour (1965), 3 Giro (1967, 1969, 1976), 1 Vuelta (1968)
* Bernard Hinault (FRA): 5 Tours (1978, 1979, 1981, 1982, 1985), 3 Giro (1980, 1982, 1985), 2 Vueltas (1978, 1983)
* Eddy Merckx (BEL): 5 Tours (1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1974), 5 Giro (1968, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974), 1 Vuelta (1973)

And this list:
The Giro/Vuelta double has been achieved by three cyclists:

* Eddy Merckx (BEL): 1973
* Giovanni Battaglin (ITA): 1981
* Alberto Contador (ESP): 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour_%28cycling%29

I don't see The Great Noble Clean Hero, LA, on any of those lists. But it's not a competition, is it? (joke!)

Have you been reading all those 20 books on cycling you said you had - You still have a way to go before your a past master at naming all the past champion riders - Like a previous poster said all those books and no mention of Sean Kelly and you even had to look up wikipedia to find out who he was. .Your a cycling Lightweight 8)

I must admit to following cycling since the mid 80's and still can't spell a lot of names; the amount of googling I have to do to get the spelling right is unreal.
I think Chung Mee has got an honest account of how things work and still comes out liking her man. To be honest, after riding the 3 weeks in the last Giro I would be amazed if most riders weren't supplementing themselves in one form or another; AC is probably just another.

-Jerry

Ps- I think though, Big Mig did the politics of riding a bike a bunch a bit better; never rattled too many cages and was always placid (some could say boring though :? )

rick_chasey

Regarding Big Mig's politics - I do think it's easier to placate people if you do your winning in time trials rather than out of the peloton.

jerry3571

Fair point. Contador's level isn't that far above the rest unlike Indurain used to take 3 minutes out of the 2nd place rider.
I think AC's trouble is that I have seen him catch riders up the road and then work with them for a minute and then attack them. The tradiational way is to work with the other escaped rider and gift the stage in return of helping out. Rujano wasn't sure to trust AC as AC likes to win which means a lot of noses have been put out of joint and no one wants to work once caught. Contador could be a more subtle in the way he treats the other riders.
He's a little short sighted.
-Jerry

andrewjoseph

Tusher wrote:

frenchfigher, master of photography and admirer of Senor Contador.
He'll not be far away.

May I point out that the pictures (that I have seen) put up here by Frenchie, were not actually taken by him.

There may well be some he has taken, but I have assumed that all the images he has posted are copied from various other web pages.

LeicesterLad

My opinion doesn't really count for much, But...

I am a Contador Fan, but i am not blind, if there is something suspect about the clenbuterol test, then he should face a ban. I also know that Contador is definately 100% not the only doper (if he is a doper) and he is getting stick, purely because he is better than all the other dopers. And finally, with it hanging over his head, i would imagine he wouldnt be so stupid enough to still be doping, in which case even without it, he managed to absolutely smash the Sh*t out of everyone else in the Giro.

right, now you can all slate me... 8)

Pross

Is the OP BarryBonds / Vino / countless others new character? He's like an internet version of a comedy sketch show - be nice to know the man behind the characters as he certainly livens up this forum

Gingerflash

"And finally, with it hanging over his head, i would imagine he wouldnt be so stupid enough to still be doping"

If you're expecting a ban very shortly, you may as well juice up and get a few more wins beforehand, even if they're taken off you retrospectively. What's he got to lose?

His performance and apparent level of effort in this year's Giro was absurd and a little difficult to believe.

LeicesterLad

Gingerflash wrote:

"And finally, with it hanging over his head, i would imagine he wouldnt be so stupid enough to still be doping"

If you're expecting a ban very shortly, you may as well juice up and get a few more wins beforehand, even if they're taken off you retrospectively. What's he got to lose?

His performance and apparent level of effort in this year's Giro was absurd and a little difficult to believe.

Thats a bit of a fantasized view in my opinion, What would be the point in winning all the titles if you new they would be taken off you and be declared a cheat, it ends up looking far worse. Plus he is evidently under heavy suspicion at the minute, in which case i imagine the UCI are testing the Sh*t out of him, i suspect he is clean as a whistle at present. as for his performance in the Giro, jealousy is a terrible thing

On a serious note though, whether he has doped or not, his natural talent is still astounding, and it begs the question why do people with that talent dope in the first place? But also because we are used to seeing contador win, he is in the limelight and its easy to call him a cheat and say how can a clean man ride away from the bunch so easily on mountains like that? but we all know that many, many more in the peloton are doping, but we dont give it any recognision because they are not winning anything, its a little unfair for Contador to have to carr that tag as 'the' doper rather than 'a' doper when those around him are quite likely to be in the same boat.

jerry3571

in which case i imagine the UCI are testing the Sh*t out of him

Getting round doping controls as we "nearly" all know is a peice of cake. If you get unlucky then you get caught.

his natural talent is still astounding

I agree; he may be off his face on drugs but he is the fastest cyclist who is off his face.

The trick with AC is the fact that he may ride and win 3 Grand Tours and get the results cancelled once the cycling year has finished. If found guilty then he would have, in affect, defacated all over our sport. That does get my back up a bit; only the fact that so many other big riders have previously defacated on our sport, slightly plecates me.

-Jerry

iainf72

LeicesterLad wrote:

On a serious note though, whether he has doped or not, his natural talent is still astounding, and it begs the question why do people with that talent dope in the first place?

How do you know his natural talent is astounding?

We don't know if we've ever witnessed something "real". Could be the product of needles and bags of blood.

josame

iainf72 wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

On a serious note though, whether he has doped or not, his natural talent is still astounding, and it begs the question why do people with that talent dope in the first place?

How do you know his natural talent is astounding?

We don't know if we've ever witnessed something "real". Could be the product of needles and bags of blood.

Millar, for one, thinks that he has enormous natural talent

dougzz

josame wrote:

Millar, for one, thinks that he has enormous natural talent

Was Millar referring to the natural talent to ride a bike quickly uphill, or the natural talent to respond to blood doping products.
David Millar, voice of the peloton 2011. Tremendous, cycling is fixed, if we say there's no problem then there's no problem.

vision267

Jez mon wrote:

Chung Mee wrote:

ozzy osbourne 206 wrote:

if he wasn't spanish he wouldn't even be in the race......

Whatever that's supposed to mean, I'm glad he's got Armstrong off his back.

Anyone who thinks LA is a noble heroic athlete who won 7 Tours on milk and vegetables simply has not done enough research IMHO.

It means if his National Federation did their job properly, he would be banned.

Anyone who thinks the clenbuterol positive doesn't deserve a ban has simply not done enough research IMHO :twisted:

That's your view and I respect that.However a picogram is one trillionenth of a gram.Was it 17 picograms or clenbuterol that was in his system.Its not perforance enhancing thats for sure.CAS will make a fair judgement,its 50/50 call.

josame

dougzz wrote:

josame wrote:

Millar, for one, thinks that he has enormous natural talent

Was Millar referring to the natural talent to ride a bike quickly uphill, or the natural talent to respond to blood doping products.
David Millar, voice of the peloton 2011. Tremendous, cycling is fixed, if we say there's no problem then there's no problem.

erm...
Millar: rolls with the guy and the pack
Dougzz: doesn't

Let me think :roll:

iainf72

Let's remember that Holy David was surprised when Vino tested positive.

Contadors early results were good, but not phenomenal. His first TdF he had a reasonable finish but only in the 30's.

Saiz
Bruyneel
Martinelli
Riis

These are not cats that make me have a warm fuzzy feeling

josame

iainf72 wrote:

Let's remember that Holy David was surprised when Vino tested positive.

Contadors early results were good, but not phenomenal. His first TdF he had a reasonable finish but only in the 30's.

Saiz
Bruyneel
Martinelli
Riis

These are not cats that make me have a warm fuzzy feeling

Blast! ...ok you win, and doubz u 2

Kléber

I have very low confidence that Contador rides clean. That's just personal but look at his team, his past teams, look at the riders he's close to, look at the Puerto documents, look at his attitude when asked about it. None of this inspires much confidence here.

Many probably want to believe but he certainly doesn't supply much to help people here.

vision267

Leicester Land wrote:

My opinion doesn't really count for much, But...

I am a Contador Fan, but i am not blind, if there is something suspect about the clenbuterol test, then he should face a ban. I also know that Contador is definitely 100% not the only doper (if he is a doper) and he is getting stick, purely because he is better than all the other dopers. And finally, with it hanging over his head, i would imagine he would be so stupid enough to still be doping, in which case even without it, he managed to absolutely smash the Sh*t out of everyone else in the Giro.

right, now you can all slate me... 8)

I think that's a reasonable argument,and we are both going to be slated.Cycling fans think anyone who is winning races is doping.I really don't why these people follow cycling.If I thought that everyone was doping I wouldn't bother watching it.

I am now going to get a real slating,and a possile ban.

iainf72

josame wrote:

Blast! ...ok you win, and doubz u 2

hehe.

He might be talented. Very talented. It would've been nice if he's bowed to doing a VO2Max test and told us the number.

josame

Kleber:I have very low confidence that Contador rides clean. That's just personal but look at his team, his past teams, look at the riders he's close to, look at the Puerto documents, look at his attitude when asked about it. None of this inspires much confidence here.

Many probably want to believe but he certainly doesn't supply much to help people here.

I agree and hope someone we 'think' is cleaner wins next month

LeicesterLad

vision267 wrote:

Leicester Land wrote:

My opinion doesn't really count for much, But...

I am a Contador Fan, but i am not blind, if there is something suspect about the clenbuterol test, then he should face a ban. I also know that Contador is definitely 100% not the only doper (if he is a doper) and he is getting stick, purely because he is better than all the other dopers. And finally, with it hanging over his head, i would imagine he would be so stupid enough to still be doping, in which case even without it, he managed to absolutely smash the Sh*t out of everyone else in the Giro.

right, now you can all slate me... 8)

I think that's a reasonable argument,and we are both going to be slated.Cycling fans think anyone who is winning races is doping.I really don't why these people follow cycling.If I thought that everyone was doping I wouldn't bother watching it.

I am now going to get a real slating,and a possile ban.

Very true, If pro's win, they always get the accusations, people quick to judge, especially when they win with ease, it can't be easy winning a grand tour and having the cycling world assume you are doping when all you want to do is enjoy your win, but cycling has tarnished itself, so many dopers now that its ot so low we expect every winner of doping, just goes to show the sport is in a dire state at the minute. Problem is if Wiggo wins the Tour next month, there won't be too many shouts on here that he's doping, but the reality is, wiggo, downing, thomas, etc could all be doping for all we know, because the way things are these days, most of the peloton are.

LeicesterLad

if Cotador was British on the other hand, he'd be clean as a whistle

ratsbeyfus

LeicesterLad wrote:

if Cotador hadn't tested positive for clenbuterol on the other hand, he'd be clean as a whistle

Fixed

LeicesterLad

you can have that one.