Is it fair to ban a dog

sheepsteeth

from a camp site?

i was planning to stay at a nice quiet woodland campsite for a few days next week with wife RE and our 2 dogs, one of which is a rottweiler.

the owners of the camp site forbid rottweilers, pit bulls and german shepherds at their camp site.

now, i know it is their gaff and therefore it is their rules, and as such i havent complained at them over it and expect the rules to apply to me and my dog but it seems a tad unfair to blanket ban a certain list of breeds :?

i havent had a response as to why this is the case and whether or not this rule can be waived in the case of our hound who is a legend, but even when i do get a response i wont be giving those hateful mother fuckerss any of my money to upkeep their water free hippy toilets or upkeep their english meadow and woodland, in which we would have been free to roam during our stay.

The Northern Monkey

You have a rotty?

One of my fav dogs... looked after properly, they're just like any other dog!

DIESELDOG

A lot of sites ban dogs under the DDA. Although they also ban breeds that aren't on there.

IMHO, you either only ban dogs that are listed on DDA or you ban all of them. Rottys are legenary woofitts.

That said my AkB's aren't listed but I wouldn't take the little feckers anywhere like a camp site!!

Love n hugs

DD

sheepsteeth

yeah, i have a 2 year old bitch called poppy.

i agree that there is no reason why a rotty should be particularly violent or troublesome, she is just like my mates young labrador in behaviour but is considerably smaller yet people are a bit wary of her even though she has the sweetest nature.

The Northern Monkey

My aunt had a rotty, cute as anything!

However, when she started to get old she went partially blind.... you were ok if she knew your scent

If not, you have to be introduced to her other wise she'd get a bit wary and protective.

sheepsteeth

im happy ith the idea that loads of places dont accept any dogs, it makes sense, there are tonnes of folk who plain and simple dont like them so dont ant to be anywhere near them.

it just seems odd to ban a dog which isnt illegal and i would have to agree with DD, if you ban one dog, ban them all, thats a fir way to do business but it seems very blinkerred to me to ban particular breeds givn that a dog is more than the product of its genes, it is mostly a product of its environment.

DIESELDOG

sheepsteeth wrote:

yeah, i have a 2 year old ***** called poppy.

i agree that there is no reason why a rotty should be particularly violent or troublesome, she is just like my mates young labrador in behaviour but is considerably smaller yet people are a bit wary of her even though she has the sweetest nature.

Give me a rotty over one of those any day.

Love n hugs

DD

sheepsteeth

i mean look at these 2 harmless little devils:



poppy is smaller than froggy (the lab/colly cross) but it sems her colours make people see cerberus!

does this look like a child eating monster?

Anonymous

sheepsteeth wrote:

now, i know it is their gaff and therefore it is their rules,

You've just answered your own question. A lot of people have rottweilers who are dangerous, nasty, bitey things. They're quite popular dog for the retarded chav lot who want to look 'ard. so, they're kindly asked to be kept away.

In much the same way as how nightclubs don't let people in wearing trainers, because so many chavs wear them. It doesn't matter that you're some knight of the realm for services to long distance running or not, if you're in trainers, you ain't coming in.

concorde

I've got a chocolate lab, but he's got a wide head and he looks a bit like a rotty in the face. Stunning dog. People get a bit wary when they see him as they sometimes mistake him for a rotty. Rottys do look scary but they're not as long they're trained well.

blister pus

just covering their own asses from any liability i would have thought, would imagine their insurance or whatever demands it

Anonymous

Concorde wrote:

as long they're trained well.

Well, there's the caveat, isn't it? How are people to know they're well trained? It's just risky to have a family friendly campsite and allow dogs who are not only potentially dangerous, but it seems, dogs for whom "dangerous" is their default behaviour.

*AL*

yeehaamcgee wrote:

You've just answered your own question. A lot of people have rottweilers who are dangerous, nasty, bitey things. They're quite popular dog for the retarded chav lot who want to look 'ard. so, they're kindly asked to be kept away.

This.

In reality they're not banning the dogs, just the type of dog owner that gives these breeds a bad name.

Vote with your feet Sheeps, find yourself another (more accommodating) camp-site.

sheepsteeth

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Concorde wrote:

as long they're trained well.

Well, there's the caveat, isn't it? How are people to know they're well trained? It's just risky to have a family friendly campsite and allow dogs who are not only potentially dangerous, but it seems, dogs for whom "dangerous" is their default behaviour.

dangerous isnt their default setting though, you have to teach a rottie to be aggresive.

mine has a natural guarding instinct as can be seen here during one of her many hour long stares out of the window but it is an ancient insitnct, it never matures into doing more than barking through the window at people who come to the door, she never barks at them once we open the door (if i decide i can be arsed):


all dogs have the potential to be aggresive unless trained well, i thnk most dogs have a natural guarding instinct. all dogs need to be trained well in one way or another to ensure they are safe for other people to be around.

welshkev

on that first pic the rotty looks like it's getting ready to bite it's buddys head off

Anonymous

sheepsteeth wrote:

mine has a natural guarding instinct

Precisely. Dogs don't guard by being polite and minding their Ps and Qs.

concorde

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Concorde wrote:

as long they're trained well.

Well, there's the caveat, isn't it? How are people to know they're well trained? It's just risky to have a family friendly campsite and allow dogs who are not only potentially dangerous, but it seems, dogs for whom "dangerous" is their default behaviour.

Yes I tend to agree with you. If I owned a campsite there'd be a few dogs I would ban. Rotties would probably be one as well as the ones on the dangerous dogs act and nasty snappy jack russels. I'd ban them all but there's dogs that people mind less than others. For example you don't mind when you see a lab walking towards you as much as if you saw a pit bull walking towards you. That's just the way it is, so they do it for that reason.

Kind of makes sense jsut to ban the lot mind.

sheepsteeth

yeehaamcgee wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

mine has a natural guarding instinct

Precisely. Dogs don't guard by being polite and minding their Ps and Qs.

true, but it depends on where they guard and how they do it.

mine does it from the safety of the inside of my house, not on a chain in a work yard somewhere after being taught to bite anyone who comes close enough, you have to teach a dog to do that.
the worst she does is dish out a few barks but mostly a deep growl.

edit: i might add, this is the only place she behaves like this and i dont particularly mind. when out and about she is completely docile.

Cleat Eastwood

sheepsteeth wrote:

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Concorde wrote:

as long they're trained well.

Well, there's the caveat, isn't it? How are people to know they're well trained? It's just risky to have a family friendly campsite and allow dogs who are not only potentially dangerous, but it seems, dogs for whom "dangerous" is their default behaviour.

dangerous isnt their default setting though, you have to teach a rottie to be aggresive.

mine has a natural guarding instinct as can be seen here during one of her many hour long stares out of the window but it is an ancient insitnct, it never matures into doing more than barking through the window at people who come to the door, she never barks at them once we open the door (if i decide i can be arsed):


all dogs have the potential to be aggresive unless trained well, i thnk most dogs have a natural guarding instinct. all dogs need to be trained well in one way or another to ensure they are safe for other people to be around.

I think he/she may be staring in bemusement at the fact that he/she's in a gay house with pink walls.

sheepsteeth

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

I think he/she may be staring in bemusement at the fact that he/she's in a gay house with pink walls.

it does look that way but i blame the tax payer, if you lot paid more, i wouldnt be living in a house with a pink carpet.

Anonymous

sheepsteeth wrote:

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

I think he/she may be staring in bemusement at the fact that he/she's in a gay house with pink walls.

it does look that way but i blame the tax payer, if you lot paid more, i wouldnt be living in a house with a pink carpet.

Ah sheeps, epic fail. You should have said it was a white carpet, that had been stained by the blood of your fallen enemies.

sheepsteeth

more like the blood of poppys enemies, err i mean, theres no way my dog would do that!!

mak3m

lol you said it yourself rotties are sweet natured dogs

if you got it as a pup it will be incredibly loyal and if pushed protective of you and yours but they are bascially strong powerful dogs that are soft as clarts and daft as a brush. violence has to be trained into them at a very young age, its exactly the same with dobermans

saying that though you have to pay for the small minority of idiots that got them the bad reputation

sucks but wcyd

montevideoguy

Using my experience of working for Royal Mail, I can safely say the only dogs that ever caused hassle were the small ones (west highland terriers and the like). The bigger dogs (labs, rottys, alsatian, etc) were all fine as long as you didn't act the dick. In fact, I mind a rotty and a boxer that would get narked if you didn't play with them for a couple of minutes.

They should ban westies

Anonymous

Hmm. All the rotweilers (4 of them) in the village I grew up attacked at least one person. All of them had to be put down.

mak3m

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Hmm. All the rotweilers (4 of them) in the village I grew up attacked at least one person. All of them had to be put down.

bad owners not bad dogs???

worst ive come across is one of those carrige poodles the big buggers, real nasty dogs

Anonymous

mak3m wrote:

bad owners not bad dogs???

Both. Several people have said "If you train them, they're fine". Suggesting, if you don't, well...

getonyourbike

We had a black lab/collie cross and she was a lovely dog and pretty damn clever too. She was protective of our other dog, a soft as anything corgie/staffie cross that we found on the streets, abandoned, no chip, no collar and not reported as lost. Both of them barked when the doorbell rang but as soon as you opened the door, they just wanted some fuss. Never been aggressive, both soft and people friendly which isn't what you expect when you think of a corgie. I do think that's it's the owner.

Somebody I know had a Staffie but he was huge, think more labrador sized. Very playful but if you didn't know him then he'd seem aggressive. But he was also really soft. Definitely the owners, not the dogs.

Anonymous

Nature and nurture both play a part. "My dog is fine, so all others will be too" just doesn't apply too well.
A friend of mine has an enormous husky who's about as threatening as a cuddly toy, but I've seen plenty of them who are straight out of nightmares. Theye immensely powerful, and have a natural tendency towards aggression. One example of a totally docile one doesn't change that.

Raymondavalon

If Amy Lee is the dog, ban her, Irish terriers are unpredictable

angry_bird

Why the fuck are they discriminating against certain breeds? The DDA is being ammended to stop discrimination against breeds, of the 20 or so organisations involved in the consulations regarding the DDA all of them came back saying that there was no basis for breed discrimination. The aim is for it to target the owners more and individual animals where complaints have been made about the behaviour.