Rugby vs soccer (I'm a foreigner) etiquette.

cooldad

Just watched the best part of three matches today (not really a fan but had it on in the background.)
What struck me was no arguing with the ref, and at the end they all wandered around shaking hands with each other, after spending the match trying to cause GBH.

Average football match looks like a bunch of grumpy toddlers by comparison.

Why the difference?

nicklouse

Soccer the Gentlemen's game played by thugs.

Rugby the thugs game played by Gentlemen.

sniper68

nicklouse wrote:

Football the Gentlemen's game played by thugs.

Rugby the thugs game played by Gentlemen.

Footballers are on over-inflaeted wages and have over-inflated egos.

D-Cyph3r

Sums up footballers pretty well.

blister pus

rugby is basically for skill-less socially compliant middle class brain dead meatheads playing human dodgems and it doesn't really matter that the referee is there, he just stops things getting too out of hand.

football requires skill and is from the streets where folk tend to not care if they tell you to fuck off. however money has ruined the game beyond all recognition.

jay12

D-Cyph3r wrote:

Sums up footballers pretty well.

i bet he can't even count to potato

bennett_346

blister pus wrote:

rugby is basically for skill-less socially compliant middle class brain dead meatheads playing human dodgems and it doesn't really matter that the referee is there, he just stops things getting too out of hand.

football requires skill and is from the streets where folk tend to not care if they tell you to fark off. however money has ruined the game beyond all recognition.

fark off.

toby_winkler

bennett_346 wrote:

blister pus wrote:

rugby is basically for skill-less socially compliant middle class brain dead meatheads playing human dodgems and it doesn't really matter that the referee is there, he just stops things getting too out of hand.

football requires skill and is from the streets where folk tend to not care if they tell you to fark off. however money has ruined the game beyond all recognition.

fark off.

+potato

I don't know how you can say rugby doesn't involve skill. Anyone can kick a football around.

cooldad

nicklouse wrote:

Soccer the Gentlemen's game played by thugs.

Rugby the thugs game played by Gentlemen.

I remember that as

Soccer is a game for gentlemen watched by thugs.
Rugby is a game for thugs watched by gentlemen.

When I was a kid (late sixties/early seventies) before I became a foreigner football hooligans used to scare the crap out of me. (Sunderland was rather rough at the time I seem to remember)

cooldad

Obviously should have posted in the Hub to get a sensible answer, but is there something in the rules of Rugby that they get whipped or something if they argue?

toby_winkler

I wouldn't say there is anything in the rules as such, its just more frowned upon in rugby. When I used to play, I once told the ref to fark off because he was shite and got a red card. Its how it should be in all sports really, I don't get the whole crowding the referee in football.

cooldad

Toby_Winkler wrote:

I wouldn't say there is anything in the rules as such, its just more frowned upon in rugby. When I used to play, I once told the ref to fark off because he was shite and got a red card. Its how it should be in all sports really, I don't get the whole crowding the referee in football.

That makes sense. A few matches ending up with only the goalies left on the field and they might start acting civilised.

toby_winkler

cooldad wrote:

Toby_Winkler wrote:

I wouldn't say there is anything in the rules as such, its just more frowned upon in rugby. When I used to play, I once told the ref to fark off because he was shite and got a red card. Its how it should be in all sports really, I don't get the whole crowding the referee in football.

That makes sense. A few matches ending up with only the goalies left on the field and they might start acting civilised.

It's one of the main things that really p*sses me off about football, how the crowd and players can influence the referees decisions. It would be good to see them getting sent off for crowding round the referee, its never going to happen though, which is a shame.

The Northern Monkey

cooldad wrote:

Obviously should have posted in the Hub to get a sensible answer, but is there something in the rules of Rugby that they get whipped or something if they argue?

Argue with the ref and you get a yellow and put in the bin for 10 mins... then the next one to argue with the ref will be sent off. simple. 0 tolerance approach.

Football refs get pushed around by the players far too much and then do nothing about it. Thats because the managers, players, fans etc all moan and complain and the ref gets sacked or disciplined... I couldn't be a football ref, i'd send them all off!

Peter88

I played amatuer rugby leage from the age of 7 till 30 and you could be sin binned if you didn't call the ref sir. It breeds a culture off respect for the officials which is missing from all levels offootball it seems.

cooldad

That seems the right approach.
Kids watching football are shown really bad examples.

The Northern Monkey

Peter88 wrote:

I played amatuer rugby leage from the age of 7 till 30 and you could be sin binned if you didn't call the ref sir. It breeds a culture off respect for the officials which is missing from all levels offootball it seems.

Yup... I got sent off for swearing

Imagine that in football... games would be very very short!

cooldad

Not sure about sir though. I swore when I left school I'd never call anyone sir again, and in 30 odd years I haven't.

The Northern Monkey

even things like marching the free kick on 10 yards is very rarely seen in football... the refs don't use their authority at all!

toby_winkler

The Northern Monkey wrote:

even things like marching the free kick on 10 yards is very rarely seen in football... the refs don't use their authority at all!

Are they even allowed to do that in football?!

And calling the ref Sir in rugby has always just been standard, like said it teaches young kids respect for referees, and it certainly works in rugby, shame football is different.

As said earlier, I also got sent off for swearing in a rugby game, wasn't even directly at the referee, and I nearly got disciplinary action for it. There is just a lot more respect for officials in rugby, which seems odd as everyone is battering seven shades of shite out of each other.

The Northern Monkey

Toby_Winkler wrote:

The Northern Monkey wrote:

even things like marching the free kick on 10 yards is very rarely seen in football... the refs don't use their authority at all!

Are they even allowed to do that in football?!

Tis in the rules as far as I know... seen it done maybe twice on MOTD.

toby_winkler

The Northern Monkey wrote:

Toby_Winkler wrote:

The Northern Monkey wrote:

even things like marching the free kick on 10 yards is very rarely seen in football... the refs don't use their authority at all!

Are they even allowed to do that in football?!

Tis in the rules as far as I know... seen it done maybe twice on MOTD.

Fair play! I have never seen it done before. I would worry with that rule in football, that they might as well just give teams penalties the amounts of yards they would be giving away if it was used properly.

The Northern Monkey

Toby_Winkler wrote:

The Northern Monkey wrote:

Toby_Winkler wrote:

The Northern Monkey wrote:

even things like marching the free kick on 10 yards is very rarely seen in football... the refs don't use their authority at all!

Are they even allowed to do that in football?!

Tis in the rules as far as I know... seen it done maybe twice on MOTD.

Fair play! I have never seen it done before. I would worry with that rule in football, that they might as well just give teams penalties the amounts of yards they would be giving away if it was used properly.

I think its supposed to be used when the opposition kick the ball away or start pissing about to slow the game down or something.

Equivalent today was the English rugby player getting sin binned for chucking the ball away when Ireland got a penalty. Rugby refs also have the "power" to march a penatly forwards by 10 yards and i've seen that done a fair bit!

toby_winkler

Yeah, always see it happen in rugby. The thing with Ben Youngs today was very silly on his behalf, they had no chance of taking the quick line out, and if he it on purpose to try and stop that then he certainly deserved the yellow card.

Referees in football do need to use their authority a lot more, I think they have fear that if they make the wrong decision though that all the players will get in their face and have a go at them. Sport shouldn't be like that.

Deepunder

Coming from a rugby background, I can't stomach watching 'premier' league or any other league for that matter, including local grass roots clubs; all round the discipline, total disregard to authority, bad sportsmanship and bad language is rife and now totally accepted as part of the game. I've seen players tumble/roll 8 times after a tackle in search of a penalty - my god ! I've seen super bike riders roll to a stop less than this after dismounting at + 100mph ! Get a grip.

When are the refs going to get the backing from above to clean the game up, they ran a campaign to kick racism out of football - what about the rest of the dirt? Its all about setting an example to the youth and acting as a normal decent person whether on the field or otherwise.

Balls to all this supposed passion and club loyalty, you can still play your guts out with pride and not be a c0ck at the same time. I resist my 5 year old son watching premier football - he looks up to the big names/clubs; how can you explain away to a kid the way they carry themselves?

Football has lost its way in so many way; this runs through players, managers and fans in the terraces. I hear often people say they go and watch and have a good shout and 'let steam off', I say pull yourself together, stop acting like an ape and put your energy into more positive activities - or go for counselling. OK, this isn't representative of all football fans but its common; my god I nearly got lumped in a pub a few years back because I wasn't following suit and crying into my beer when England lost a major tournament to penalties, I was slated for being unpatriotic- give me a break !

peterst6906

Definitions 101:

Rugby: The thuggish game played by gentlemen
Football: The gentleman's game played by thugs

Deepunder

peterst6906 wrote:

Definitions 101:

Rugby: The thuggish game played by gentlemen
Football: The gentleman's game played by thugs

or should it be:

Rugby: A contact sport played by men, with contact being intrinsic to the game and its play setting. These gentlemen always shake hands and often enjoy a beer together after the game.

Football: Unfortunately a game played by stroppy boys lacking discipline

This debate is old hat, and frankly you can't compare the two sports, they're chalk and cheese. My point is the underlying ethics of sport as a whole and maybe how it reflects on wider society as a whole.

I'm not trying to beat football as a sport, it should be a great game and could be with some better housekeeping.

Anyway, I'm going on my bike to get aggressive on the trails and swear loudly at rocks and slippery roots for a few hours - I'll feel better after

mak3m

some lol comments in here

problem with Rugby union is that to the casual observer it appears chaotic or just plain violent.

however its an incredibly technical sport with an associated set of technical rules, mmmm think you know the football offside rule, well to fully understand the many rugby offside rules imo you really need to play the game.

even pure physical challanges of the forwards like mauling and scrums require a massive amount of skill. you might think you can scrum but in reality you cant and you are highly likely to be carried off on a stretcher if you dont know what you are doing. Even in interntional game if you run out of front row forwards thats it non competative scrums for the rest of the game, its that difficult even other forwards cant do it.

rugby is a true contact sport and at times is very violent, but only for 80mins. I only got binned once, lad was trying drag me into touch by my neck, i red misted dragged him to the ground and battered him, to such an extent he had to go off. In the clubhouse afterwards i went to find him to buy him a pint, he refused and bought me one for grabbing me around the neck

as a result you need strong refs to run the games, not only to keep things in check but also to keep the game flowing, listen to the ref mike they are constantly talking. From a young age you are taught to respect the refs and Sir is a minimum

ref gives you a question or instruction its yes sir no sir

however even then you cant speak to him directly or its a card, only the captains can engage the ref in conversation and get across points or observations

the recent treatment of footy refs is disgusting and should not be tollerated

mak3m

cooldad wrote:

when I was a kid (late sixties/early seventies) before I became a foreigner football hooligans used to scare the crap out of me. (Sunderland was rather rough at the time I seem to remember)

lol Roker Park oooo the memories, still got a clockstand seat in my garden

well sunderland was kind of rough but i still wake in cold sweats about some of my visits to elland road in the late 70's early 80's :shock: :shock:

Andy

Rugby is boring

welshkev

blister pus wrote:

rugby is basically for skill-less socially compliant middle class brain dead meatheads playing human dodgems and it doesn't really matter that the referee is there, he just stops things getting too out of hand.

football requires skill and is from the streets where folk tend to not care if they tell you to fark off. however money has ruined the game beyond all recognition.

ha ha, that made me laugh so much...that's the biggest load of crap i've read for ages