Nearly 4k for a 105 build??????

I am the god of hell fire
edited March 2011 in Road buying advice
Ok so Im exaggerating :)

The cassette's 105 but the rest is Ultegra
Which for almost £4000 is nice LOL

http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/trek-mad ... 60234.html
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  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    Trek's latest carbon frame, so that will account for a quite a bit of the build.
  • Lillywhite wrote:
    Trek's latest carbon frame, so that will account for a quite a bit of the build.
    Doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame...
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  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    edited March 2011
    Lillywhite wrote:
    Trek's latest carbon frame, so that will account for a quite a bit of the build.
    Doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame...

    Matter of opinion and I know that Trek's frames come with a life time guarantee and are well regarded. Very happy with my frame.

    Out of interest Trek's top end bike for 2010 with a similar frame but fitted with Dura Race had a SRP of £5800. :wink:
  • giant_man
    giant_man Posts: 6,878
    Lillywhite wrote:
    Trek's latest carbon frame, so that will account for a quite a bit of the build.
    Doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame...
    Who said it was decent? We're talking about a Trek after all .....
  • Lillywhite wrote:
    Lillywhite wrote:
    Trek's latest carbon frame, so that will account for a quite a bit of the build.
    Doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame...

    Matter of opinion and I know that Trek's frames come with a life time guarantee and are well regarded. Very happy with my frame.
    Read it again, it doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame.
    Didn't say it wasn't good, just said that it doesn't cost much to make a good one.
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  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    Who said it was decent? We're talking about a Trek after all .....

    So what do you regard as decent and why? :wink:
  • Lillywhite wrote:
    Trek's latest carbon frame, so that will account for a quite a bit of the build.
    Doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame...
    Who said it was decent? We're talking about a Trek after all .....
    :wink: I know your joking, but soon someone will be along outraged. Don't you know they were ridden by Lance?!
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  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    Read it again, it doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame.
    Didn't say it wasn't good, just said that it doesn't cost much to make a good one.

    Are you an expert in carbon fibre production? :wink:
  • on-yer-bike
    on-yer-bike Posts: 2,974
    looks foul.
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  • 58585
    58585 Posts: 207
    I'd save the 600 quid and "downgrade" to an old frame with dura ace and lightweights
    http://www.canyon.com/_en/outlet/articl ... o=A1000223
    If I was 6'5" that is...
  • Lillywhite wrote:
    Read it again, it doesn't cost that much to knock up a decent carbon frame.
    Didn't say it wasn't good, just said that it doesn't cost much to make a good one.

    Are you an expert in carbon fibre production? :wink:
    Absolutely not!
    Fair enough if you think that the linked bike is good value. For me, I just think that you're paying a lot of money for (relatively) not a lot of bike with a naff paint job. :wink:
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  • Tinman_66
    Tinman_66 Posts: 36
    £4k for the Ford Cortina of the bike world. What a rip-off.

    If I was spending £4k on a bike I'd want something a bit more exciting and/or exclusive than a Trek.
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  • wildmoustache
    wildmoustache Posts: 4,010
    Ford Cortinas are now becoming cool and in some cases appreciating in value.

    Mondeo is more like it.

    I LOL'd at the Cipollini frame price in C+ ... £4k+ for a frameset from an upstart manufacturer offering nothing special ... WTF? Put 105 on that, some cheap wheels etc. and you'll get to £5k
  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    For me, I just think that you're paying a lot of money for (relatively) not a lot of bike with a naff paint job. :wink:

    I wouldn't be spending that much money on any off the peg bike. I prefer the frame + components self-build route. :wink:
  • thelawnet
    thelawnet Posts: 719
    Tinman_66 wrote:
    £4k for the Ford Cortina of the bike world. What a rip-off.

    If I was spending £4k on a bike I'd want something a bit more exciting and/or exclusive than a Trek.

    A decent Cortina will cost you a lot more than 4k.... http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... 381108774/
  • Lillywhite wrote:
    For me, I just think that you're paying a lot of money for (relatively) not a lot of bike with a naff paint job. :wink:

    I wouldn't be spending that much money on any off the peg bike. I prefer the frame + components self-build route. :wink:
    Glad we agree on something :D
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  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    Glad we agree on something :D

    Yeah. How long have you been riding and what's your current steed? :wink:
  • Tinman_66
    Tinman_66 Posts: 36
    Actually I'm quite a fan of old Fords and have a very beige 'classic car' of my own. Anyway i digress.....

    Some of the prices banded are plain ridiculous. £4k for a Trek with 105?? What you're paying for their is the Lance factor. i.e. Lance Armstrong once rode a bike with similar stickers to this one so we'll charge an extra £1000 for it.

    Not sure what Cipollini's excuse is.
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  • dawebbo
    dawebbo Posts: 456
    Personally I'd rather a top end frameset and a lower end gruppo than the otherway round. If you look at the prices for framesets you can see where most of the budget is going.

    Chances are you'd change parts of the build over time anyway.
  • You are idiots!!!!!!!!!!

    Bike is an Ultegra Build. 105 cassette which is a fast wear out item anyway is neither here nor there.

    OCLV frames take over 20 man hours to construct It is not some blow in the bag Monocoque frame .

    Frame alone costs £2600 so the price for a bike with a £800 groupset and £400 wheels for a frame that is still in use in the pro's today is not that bad a value for money. A Dogma cost that for the frame and it is Taiwanese
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  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    OCLV frames take over 20 man hours to construct It is not some blow in the bag Monocoque frame .

    Frame alone costs £2600 so the price for a bike with a £800 groupset and £400 wheels for a frame that is still in use in the pro's today is not that bad a value for money.

    Thank you. This backs up my opening post on the subject. :wink:
  • Tinman_66
    Tinman_66 Posts: 36
    You are idiots!!!!!!!!!!

    Bike is an Ultegra Build. 105 cassette which is a fast wear out item anyway is neither here nor there.

    OCLV frames take over 20 man hours to construct It is not some blow in the bag Monocoque frame .

    Frame alone costs £2600 so the price for a bike with a £800 groupset and £400 wheels for a frame that is still in use in the pro's today is not that bad a value for money. A Dogma cost that for the frame and it is Taiwanese

    Thank you but while I can't speak for everyone else I am most definitley not an idiot

    Sorry to be the one to break the news to you but its very nice you buy into Trek's marketing fluff but you're still buying a mass produced bike no matter what the hype they make about it.

    And it is relevant because you're still paying Ultegra prices for 105.

    Let me guess you both ride Trek.
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  • You own a SPESH.

    Not a factory on the planet with that label. Talk about swallowing the hype. No I don't ride a Trek Just get annoyed when those with no knowledge spout off about things they know nothing about.

    Which of your listed bikes is NOT mass produced?





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  • Tinman_66
    Tinman_66 Posts: 36
    You are an angry little man aren't you?

    Just point out where i said any of my bikes aren't mass produced. Pretty much every bike frame unless its custom made is mass produced on some scale.

    Spesh are just as mass produced as Trek but it doesn't change the fact that it is a lot of money for a dull bike with a poor spec. Simply the point we've been making.

    The thing is with online forums that you never know who you're talking to or what they know. Equally just because you insinuate (let me know if you want help with that one) that you know more than us doesn't actually make you an expert. Just ignorant.
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  • Poor Spec???????

    Oh and I DO know what I am talking about when it comes to composite manufacturing How about you

    PS But the TREK is made by TREK
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  • The Mechanic
    The Mechanic Posts: 1,277
    Now Now girls, who lit the wick on your tampons?
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  • Lillywhite
    Lillywhite Posts: 742
    edited March 2011
    But the TREK is made by TREK

    Agreed. All high end Trek bikes are made in the Waterloo plant in the USA.
  • Bar Shaker
    Bar Shaker Posts: 2,313
    I saw one of these in the window of Evans in Blackfriars on Friday.

    I thought it was a good looking bike.

    Out of my budget though.
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  • turnerjohn
    turnerjohn Posts: 1,069
    Lillywhite wrote:
    But the TREK is made by TREK

    Agrred. All high end Trek bikes are made in the Waterloo plant in the USA.

    ....ah so its Americans taking ages to build a frame rather then a little speedy oriental ? :shock:

    to be fair the 6.2 frame is the same as the 6.9 so overal cost doesn't look to bad....its near as dam it full Ultegra as well.
  • andyrr
    andyrr Posts: 1,819
    Ford Cortinas are now becoming cool and in some cases appreciating in value.

    Mondeo is more like it.

    I LOL'd at the Cipollini frame price in C+ ... £4k+ for a frameset from an upstart manufacturer offering nothing special ... WTF? Put 105 on that, some cheap wheels etc. and you'll get to £5k


    I also baulked at the price of Cipo's frame - his reason/excuse is at least that they are NOT some brand-x frame that he is sticking his own name on with some garish paint, it did very much sound as if he was involved in designing/refining the frame over a period of time and then the frames are built in small numbers. A fairly high cost invovled there. May be once they are at a stage where the frames can be churned out that production moves to a cheaper location yet the retail costs remains high but that is for the furture for that brand.