Armstrong retires
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Why all the hate?0
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Valy wrote:Why all the hate?
It is just a sad, disgruntled minority, who are jealous of his success.
The rest of us like Iain.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Valy wrote:Why all the hate?
because I'm incredulous at some of you.0 -
Fair enough, just all the negative comments made me WTF in my duration on this forum!
The rest of us like Iain.
I.. .errr... don't get it.
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Blazing Saddles wrote:Valy wrote:Why all the hate?
It is just a sad, disgruntled minority, who are jealous of his success.
The rest of us like Iain.
On this polemic, I am in the minority...you aren't.0 -
I am unsubscribing... NAAAAAAAAAOOOO!!111
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iainf72 wrote:Moray Gub wrote:
I am surprised at you here Iain ,i would have thought a man with your usual detailed knowledge would have known that basic fact.
It's always good to surprise people But unlike BikingBernie (RIP) I don't have a creepy file of evidence to refer to all the time.
I have been away for a while - so what did happen to BB? Off topic, I know (well sort of - mention BB and Armstrong will be close by).Mens agitat molem0 -
You've been an absolute zealot over the past 18 months Iain. Your sympathetic comments re tylerh are what I remember from 2004iainf72 wrote:Moray Gub wrote:
I am surprised at you here Iain ,i would have thought a man with your usual detailed knowledge would have known that basic fact.
It's always good to surprise people But unlike BikingBernie (RIP) I don't have a creepy file of evidence to refer to all the time.0 -
Let me get this straight... LA has 'retired'? So, does that mean he was 'racing' last year? Sheeeeesh, who'd've guessed it?
Oh well.0 -
Well I thought he had retired in July 1996 when he ripped his number off for the broom wagon and then rode off (well actually limped along like a drowned rat) and back along the way the Tour de France had come.ratsbeyfus wrote:Let me get this straight... LA has 'retired'? So, does that mean he was 'racing' last year? Sheeeeesh, who'd've guessed it?
Oh well.
What returned a couple of years later, I still do not know but I'm lead to believe it was the same man who had been saved from Deaths Door and was now the healthiest & fittest (Summer Only) man on two wheels.
Nah, I've never been able to get my head around the guy I watched before he retired.
That he could now Time Trial ? and ? climb mountains with the best riders. Impossible
If it was allegedly the same man, then he was able to do (repligate) the feat of that other 2nd level rider Mr Bjarne Riis and "Bore Us To Tears" for seven years but only in July,
What was the technique : To have a very strong team for him to wheel suck until the last km's of a stage.
The term I heard so often was "An armchair ride"
Seven years of the same Bull Sh*t to just collect the biggest prize in cycle racing and he certainly made the name famous but oh so boring.
I am still waiting, so come out the real Lance Armstrong as we would like to see how that Cancer has affected you.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Thankyou Ms Tree. Purrfectly put, if I may say so- "Somewhere down in Texas" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5FTN2bjTq0
Let's hope the bluddy well stays there this time.
(PS Is your library safe?)0 -
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Yep cheerio Lance and thanks for the inspiration and the great memories.0
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deejay wrote:
Well I thought he had retired in July 1996 when he ripped his number off for the broom wagon and then rode off (well actually limped along like a drowned rat) and back along the way the Tour de France had come.ratsbeyfus wrote:Let me get this straight... LA has 'retired'? So, does that mean he was 'racing' last year? Sheeeeesh, who'd've guessed it?
Oh well.
What returned a couple of years later, I still do not know but I'm lead to believe it was the same man who had been saved from Deaths Door and was now the healthiest & fittest (Summer Only) man on two wheels.
Nah, I've never been able to get my head around the guy I watched before he retired.
That he could now Time Trial ? and ? climb mountains with the best riders. Impossible
If it was allegedly the same man, then he was able to do (repligate) the feat of that other 2nd level rider Mr Bjarne Riis and "Bore Us To Tears" for seven years but only in July,
What was the technique : To have a very strong team for him to wheel suck until the last km's of a stage.
The term I heard so often was "An armchair ride"
Seven years of the same Bull Sh*t to just collect the biggest prize in cycle racing and he certainly made the name famous but oh so boring.
I am still waiting, so come out the real Lance Armstrong as we would like to see how that Cancer has affected you.
So you're saying he never had cancer ?
Blimey, there are some very odd people on this forum0 -
deejay wrote:
Well I thought he had retired in July 1996 when he ripped his number off for the broom wagon and then rode off (well actually limped along like a drowned rat) and back along the way the Tour de France had come.ratsbeyfus wrote:Let me get this straight... LA has 'retired'? So, does that mean he was 'racing' last year? Sheeeeesh, who'd've guessed it?
Oh well.
What returned a couple of years later, I still do not know but I'm lead to believe it was the same man who had been saved from Deaths Door and was now the healthiest & fittest (Summer Only) man on two wheels.
Nah, I've never been able to get my head around the guy I watched before he retired.
That he could now Time Trial ? and ? climb mountains with the best riders. Impossible
If it was allegedly the same man, then he was able to do (repligate) the feat of that other 2nd level rider Mr Bjarne Riis and "Bore Us To Tears" for seven years but only in July,
What was the technique : To have a very strong team for him to wheel suck until the last km's of a stage.
The term I heard so often was "An armchair ride"
Seven years of the same Bull Sh*t to just collect the biggest prize in cycle racing and he certainly made the name famous but oh so boring.
I am still waiting, so come out the real Lance Armstrong as we would like to see how that Cancer has affected you.
Mate, seriously...have you actually watched any of his Tour wins?
Consistantly good, if not brilliant in the mountains, plus a dominant force in the TT's.
Wheel sucker...my ar*e0 -
I'm not sure that either facts or logic are going to make any difference here... :roll:sampras38 wrote:deejay wrote:
Well I thought he had retired in July 1996 when he ripped his number off for the broom wagon and then rode off (well actually limped along like a drowned rat) and back along the way the Tour de France had come.ratsbeyfus wrote:Let me get this straight... LA has 'retired'? So, does that mean he was 'racing' last year? Sheeeeesh, who'd've guessed it?
Oh well.
What returned a couple of years later, I still do not know but I'm lead to believe it was the same man who had been saved from Deaths Door and was now the healthiest & fittest (Summer Only) man on two wheels.
Nah, I've never been able to get my head around the guy I watched before he retired.
That he could now Time Trial ? and ? climb mountains with the best riders. Impossible
If it was allegedly the same man, then he was able to do (repligate) the feat of that other 2nd level rider Mr Bjarne Riis and "Bore Us To Tears" for seven years but only in July,
What was the technique : To have a very strong team for him to wheel suck until the last km's of a stage.
The term I heard so often was "An armchair ride"
Seven years of the same Bull Sh*t to just collect the biggest prize in cycle racing and he certainly made the name famous but oh so boring.
I am still waiting, so come out the real Lance Armstrong as we would like to see how that Cancer has affected you.
Mate, seriously...have you actually watched any of his Tour wins?
Consistantly good, if not brilliant in the mountains, plus a dominant force in the TT's.
Wheel sucker...my ar*e0 -
bompington wrote:
I'm not sure that either facts or logic are going to make any difference here... :roll:sampras38 wrote:deejay wrote:
Well I thought he had retired in July 1996 when he ripped his number off for the broom wagon and then rode off (well actually limped along like a drowned rat) and back along the way the Tour de France had come.ratsbeyfus wrote:Let me get this straight... LA has 'retired'? So, does that mean he was 'racing' last year? Sheeeeesh, who'd've guessed it?
Oh well.
What returned a couple of years later, I still do not know but I'm lead to believe it was the same man who had been saved from Deaths Door and was now the healthiest & fittest (Summer Only) man on two wheels.
Nah, I've never been able to get my head around the guy I watched before he retired.
That he could now Time Trial ? and ? climb mountains with the best riders. Impossible
If it was allegedly the same man, then he was able to do (repligate) the feat of that other 2nd level rider Mr Bjarne Riis and "Bore Us To Tears" for seven years but only in July,
What was the technique : To have a very strong team for him to wheel suck until the last km's of a stage.
The term I heard so often was "An armchair ride"
Seven years of the same Bull Sh*t to just collect the biggest prize in cycle racing and he certainly made the name famous but oh so boring.
I am still waiting, so come out the real Lance Armstrong as we would like to see how that Cancer has affected you.
Mate, seriously...have you actually watched any of his Tour wins?
Consistantly good, if not brilliant in the mountains, plus a dominant force in the TT's.
Wheel sucker...my ar*e
I thought the same as I was typing.0 -
Yes I was a regular at the Tour de France.
I've been in the Parc de Princes track (and elsewhere) to hear the Anquetil chant as the peloton arrived.
I've been there to see the other greats since and also seen Barry Hoban win a stage. (also Van Looy & Simpson at Flanders)
In 2002 I saw the hoards were suddenly up on the mountain around me and now they spoke English or they wore Pink.
That was the year I gave up the Tour de France in disgust (he had ruined it for me, it being so false) and then started being a regular at the Dauphine + Tour de Switzerland fortnight (to watch him suffer perhaps) .
FACTS are there and he did retire from the TDF in 1996 as a second level cycle race rider and then return in 1999 to do exactly the same as Bjarne Riis had done in 1996.
Is that the FACT you don't like, well it happens to be true, so true that you bums don't like the FACTS.
Fact is he returned with something he could never do before his cancer and if you were born 1980 onwards (ie aged 16 as he left & 19 on his return) then all you can get excited about is a fraud that you have nothing to compare with.
You guys (born in 1980) are 30 now and still just as gullible regarding the fraud.
The same applies to the older people that came in, on the Texans coat tails. :roll:
To put my thoughts into prospective then how would "you" feel if Alessandro Ballan did suddenly shoot up a mountain and leave the rest, to go on to win the Tour de France. ??
Well that's what the Texan did and all the Italian has to do now is find the right concoction or have chemo and a ball removed (or both) it seems.
Exactly the same level of rider and you would also say Impossible no doubt.
Why pick on him. - Well he won a World Championship in much the same way the Texan did. (but at least he hasn't changed from being an attacking rider and still commands RESPECT)Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
That's some fancy bold letters and capitalization you got going there mister ...
It did make it read like you were saying it though ... like an argumentative cult (where all the followers can't spell) ...
i mentioned this yesterday ... get over it and yourselves ... give it up ... unless he shagged your wife or daughter (or both ... and hey at least he couldn't get them pregnant ... oh, wait ...)0 -
deejay wrote:Yes I was a regular at the Tour de France.
I've been in the Parc de Princes track (and elsewhere) to hear the Anquetil chant as the peloton arrived.
I've been there to see the other greats since and also seen Barry Hoban win a stage. (also Van Looy & Simpson at Flanders)
In 2002 I saw the hoards were suddenly up on the mountain around me and now they spoke English or they wore Pink.
That was the year I gave up the Tour de France in disgust (he had ruined it for me, it being so false) and then started being a regular at the Dauphine + Tour de Switzerland fortnight (to watch him suffer perhaps) .
FACTS are there and he did retire from the TDF in 1996 as a second level cycle race rider and then return in 1999 to do exactly the same as Bjarne Riis had done in 1996.
Is that the FACT you don't like, well it happens to be true, so true that you bums don't like the FACTS.
Fact is he returned with something he could never do before his cancer and if you were born 1980 onwards (ie aged 16 as he left & 19 on his return) then all you can get excited about is a fraud that you have nothing to compare with.
You guys (born in 1980) are 30 now and still just as gullible regarding the fraud.
The same applies to the older people that came in, on the Texans coat tails. :roll:
To put my thoughts into prospective then how would "you" feel if Alessandro Ballan did suddenly shoot up a mountain and leave the rest, to go on to win the Tour de France. ??
Well that's what the Texan did and all the Italian has to do now is find the right concoction or have chemo and a ball removed (or both) it seems.
Exactly the same level of rider and you would also say Impossible no doubt.
Why pick on him. - Well he won a World Championship in much the same way the Texan did. (but at least he hasn't changed from being an attacking rider and still commands RESPECT)
Wow, you sure seem whacked out and full of yourself. :roll: :roll:0 -
No, it's just I've been around and riding a few years and when some child tells me I havn't seen the TDF during 1999 - 2005 period.
I decided to lay out the table and quote a few things I "have seen".
I take your comment to mean you are one of the "Coats Tails" mob and have no answer to the Facts I quoted.
Don't have to talk about PED's (I leave that to you) but the FACTS speak for themselves and the comparison with the Texan and Alessandro Ballan will do nicely to make you newbies understand the point.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:No, it's just I've been around and riding a few years and when some child tells me I havn't seen the TDF during 1999 - 2005 period.
I decided to lay out the table and quote a few things I "have seen".
I take your comment to mean you are one of the "Coats Tails" mob and have no answer to the Facts I quoted.
Just to set you straight, questions need answers, facts don't. And besides almost anyone can get the answers, it's the questions that really matter in this world. I think some people mistake knowing answers as being smart. That's the easy part.0 -
deejay wrote:Yes I was a regular at the Tour de France.
I've been in the Parc de Princes track (and elsewhere) to hear the Anquetil chant as the peloton arrived.
I've been there to see the other greats since and also seen Barry Hoban win a stage. (also Van Looy & Simpson at Flanders)
In 2002 I saw the hoards were suddenly up on the mountain around me and now they spoke English or they wore Pink.
That was the year I gave up the Tour de France in disgust (he had ruined it for me, it being so false) and then started being a regular at the Dauphine + Tour de Switzerland fortnight (to watch him suffer perhaps) .
FACTS are there and he did retire from the TDF in 1996 as a second level cycle race rider and then return in 1999 to do exactly the same as Bjarne Riis had done in 1996.
Is that the FACT you don't like, well it happens to be true, so true that you bums don't like the FACTS.
Fact is he returned with something he could never do before his cancer and if you were born 1980 onwards (ie aged 16 as he left & 19 on his return) then all you can get excited about is a fraud that you have nothing to compare with.
You guys (born in 1980) are 30 now and still just as gullible regarding the fraud.
The same applies to the older people that came in, on the Texans coat tails. :roll:
To put my thoughts into prospective then how would "you" feel if Alessandro Ballan did suddenly shoot up a mountain and leave the rest, to go on to win the Tour de France. ??
Well that's what the Texan did and all the Italian has to do now is find the right concoction or have chemo and a ball removed (or both) it seems.
Exactly the same level of rider and you would also say Impossible no doubt.
Why pick on him. - Well he won a World Championship in much the same way the Texan did. (but at least he hasn't changed from being an attacking rider and still commands RESPECT)
How exactly is he different to every other top-10 GT rider of his time?
(Or today's for that matter - judging by recent events!?)0 -
http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2011/armstrong-sca-deposition-videos
...not that there's a lot in it but dont know if anyone had posted these courtroom vids of our mate in the SCA case0 -
Can somebody please break the forum again please :roll:___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
I seem to swing both ways when it comes to LA...
I liked his brashness in the mid 90's.
I worried for him during his cancer.
I marvelled at his comeback.
I got bored of him winning the Tour and intimidating other riders.
I mellowed as he retired.
I was intrigued at his comeback.
I enjoyed his battling ride in the Tour last summer.
I wont neccessarily miss him that much.0 -
Wow, you seem to have all the answers throughout your time on this forum.dennisn wrote:deejay wrote:No, it's just I've been around and riding a few years and when some child tells me I havn't seen the TDF during 1999 - 2005 period.
I decided to lay out the table and quote a few things I "have seen".
I take your comment to mean you are one of the "Coats Tails" mob and have no answer to the Facts I quoted.
Just to set you straight, questions need answers, facts don't. And besides almost anyone can get the answers, it's the questions that really matter in this world. I think some people mistake knowing answers as being smart. That's the easy part.
Facts are the answers to anybody like you that cannot accept them and want to arrange answers to suit themselves.
Eye witness reports are much better than hearsay reports found in books.
(You have to be in it to win it) sorry wrong quote but, you have to be there to witness it.
I think that's how the Courts of Law operate when it comes to hearsay evidence.
As always, I could be wrong. (I'm no Texan)Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Dennis the 'facts' will probably be revealed when various samples are handed over by AFLD to the Feds for retro-spective analysis. What will your response be when the facts are hard evidence? There's also significant conjecture that a number of ex-team members have provided plenty more to the Grand Jury - but hey, lets not let the 'truth' get in the way of myth, pr-puff and fantasy.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
