For Goodness Shakes equivalent?

Red Rider

Big fan of For Goodness Shakes powders and have a load in that I use after tough training. Cost wise, with Wiggle discounts, it usually works out at £1 a drink.

I don't know really know anything about recovery protein shakes (once had a free trial of a zipvit one which was disgusting) and was wondering if anyone could recommend a similar product to FGS (in terms of helping my muscles to recover) that comes in a bigger tub with cheaper per serving size.

FGS are great, and so convenient, but when I'm, making it at home a cheaper alternative would be good - as long as it tastes as good!

Cheers,
Dave

hopper1

I use SiS Rego... Not sure how much per drink it works out at, but I like it.

Garry H

Red Rider wrote:

Big fan of For Goodness Shakes powders and have a load in that I use after tough training. Cost wise, with Wiggle discounts, it usually works out at £1 a drink.

I don't know really know anything about recovery protein shakes (once had a free trial of a zipvit one which was disgusting) and was wondering if anyone could recommend a similar product to FGS (in terms of helping my muscles to recover) that comes in a bigger tub with cheaper per serving size.

FGS are great, and so convenient, but when I'm, making it at home a cheaper alternative would be good - as long as it tastes as good!

Cheers,
Dave

A well-balanced diet is a pretty good alternative and tastes a lot better to boot. If you can't be bothered with that then a good quality whey protein mix should do you and will work out a lot cheaper than FGS and probably a lot better too.

jp1985

Yazoo / cheap low fat milkshake. They're pretty much the same thing.

or anything with a similar carbohydrate:protein ratio (approx 3:1)

shm_uk

FGS is basically milk with added vitamins, but provided you're generally eating a good diet the added stuff is pretty irrelevant.

Immediately following a long or intensive ride/workout I make a recovery drink using:
1 scoop of whey protein powder (~35g I think)
~500ml skimmed milk*
1 or 2 bananas* (depending on size)
heaped teaspoon or two of cocoa powder.

( *I'm 6' tall & weigh ~85kg+, so you may want less )

Blend all this together & serve cold. Very tasty. Then around an hour later eat a proper meal.

I have been buying 2.27kg/5lb of ProLab whey protein for around £30. Each drink uses about 35g of whey, so the tub should make around 60 drinks = ~50p of whey in each

Factor in the milk and bananas and I reckon it's probably costing me around £1 per drink.



I have heard some opinions that a glass of nesquik has about the same carb / protein levels as FGS yet is a fraction of the price...

Red Rider

Garry H wrote:

A well-balanced diet is a pretty good alternative

I very rarely eat meat so protein can be tricky.

If you can't be bothered with that

I do bother with that, cheers. But I've found shakes do make a real difference to how tired my muscles are the day after hard exercise. I was asking more about immediate quick proteiny goodness for after exercise.

and tastes a lot better to boot.

I really like FGS shakes!! I genuinely look forward to them :oops:

@ shm_uk: thanks, that was really useful. But with the hassle of blending it and the fact that it works out the same price, maybe I'll stick to the shakes!

@jp: have you tried the "proper" shakes instead of yazoo? Are they really no better?

Cheers,

Red Rider

I have heard some opinions that a glass of nesquik has about the same carb / protein levels as FGS yet is a fraction of the price...

*Scurries off to supermarket to check Nesquick box...*

jp1985

Yeah, i've tried them, and use them when they're on offer as i think they taste better but i dont notice a difference between FGS and Yazoo either way.

As long as you are getting the basic macronutrients in appropriate amounts (which they both provide) then it is the timing of intake that makes the biggest difference. Just make sure you drink whichever drink as soon as possible following exercise, then try and eat within 2 hours.

hugo15

Just a banana and milk for me. Seems to work.

Garry H

jp1985 wrote:

Yeah, i've tried them, and use them when they're on offer as i think they taste better but i dont notice a difference between FGS and Yazoo either way.

As long as you are getting the basic macronutrients in appropriate amounts (which they both provide) then it is the timing of intake that makes the biggest difference. Just make sure you drink whichever drink as soon as possible following exercise, then try and eat within 2 hours.

Surely the most important thing post-exercise is that you replace glycogen levels. I think there's a window of 20 minutes or something. You can do that just as well with a can of coke!!! It doesn't matter if you can't get a load of protein in straight away, as long as you eat a balanced diet.

jp1985

Garry H wrote:

jp1985 wrote:

Yeah, i've tried them, and use them when they're on offer as i think they taste better but i dont notice a difference between FGS and Yazoo either way.

As long as you are getting the basic macronutrients in appropriate amounts (which they both provide) then it is the timing of intake that makes the biggest difference. Just make sure you drink whichever drink as soon as possible following exercise, then try and eat within 2 hours.

Surely the most important thing post-exercise is that you replace glycogen levels. I think there's a window of 20 minutes or something. You can do that just as well with a can of coke!!! It doesn't matter if you can't get a load of protein in straight away, as long as you eat a balanced diet.

Protein uptake by the muscle is enhanced by the insulin response caused from the carbohydrate, so if you want the best/quickest possible recovery and adaptation to training then taking protein and carbs immediately post training is best.

pumpkinhead456

oh for goodness sakes, get yourself on to www.myprotein.co.uk and order yourself some whey, a shaker and a big scoop. £25ish for 100 servings. Job done.

Why would people bother replying "just eat more" and "you get enough protein from your food" when clearly that's not the answer that's being looked for.

There are no side effects to taking in too much in the way of protein (if you follow the recommended serving), other than peeing it out, and your muscles will feel much better the next day.

So that's that then!

Garry H

pumpkinhead456 wrote:

oh for goodness sakes, get yourself on to www.myprotein.co.uk and order yourself some whey, a shaker and a big scoop. £25ish for 100 servings. Job done.

Why would people bother replying "just eat more" and "you get enough protein from your food" when clearly that's not the answer that's being looked for.

There are no side effects to taking in too much in the way of protein (if you follow the recommended serving), other than peeing it out, and your muscles will feel much better the next day.

So that's that then!

He's already been advised by both myself and others to go the whey protein route, but seems to be ignoring it.

The jury is still very much out on whether you need to take more protein than what you would get from a balanced diet, as are the effects of taking in too much.

glasgowbhoy

I quite like the FGS after a long cycle. The problem I have is that no matter how much I wash the bottle out afterwards they seem to leave a stinking smell in the bottle.

Garry H

Glasgowbhoy wrote:

I quite like the FGS after a long cycle. The problem I have is that no matter how much I wash the bottle out afterwards they seem to leave a stinking smell in the bottle.

I get the same problem using Macdonalds Milkshake

SBezza

Banana and a whey protein shake made with milk for me. Cheap compared to proper recovery drinks, but from my experience just as good if not better.

Whey protein is a better protein than soy protein from what I can gather, with regards to it is processed by the body quicker, and with the milk you have slow release protein as well.

Don't forget there are carbs in the milk as well.

SBezza

Garry H wrote:

The jury is still very much out on whether you need to take more protein than what you would get from a balanced diet, as are the effects of taking in too much.

You would have to take massive amount of protein to suffer health issues. If you are training hard it is recommended to up your protein intake to near on 2gms for every kg of body weight, now it isn't easy to get this amount of good quality protein from a normal diet unless you eat quite a bit of meat with each meal.

mayor of simpleton

i find theSIS Rego works very well for me and is really cheap at PHD FITNESS . Easy to mix and comes in different flavours.
you can train hard the day after as well. also try a deep vein massage once a month works well

Garry H

SBezza wrote:

Garry H wrote:

The jury is still very much out on whether you need to take more protein than what you would get from a balanced diet, as are the effects of taking in too much.

You would have to take massive amount of protein to suffer health issues. If you are training hard it is recommended to up your protein intake to near on 2gms for every kg of body weight, now it isn't easy to get this amount of good quality protein from a normal diet unless you eat quite a bit of meat with each meal.

I thought it was more like 50% over the RDA for a "normal" person, which would put it in the region of about 1.2 to 1.4 gms?? Anyway, you're quite right, it still means quite a bit of meat or fish (But not somuch to make it an ordeal). Works out at about 20% of your daily calorific intake. And remember if you don't use it, it ust becomes junk calories.

jibberjim

SBezza wrote:

Banana and a whey protein shake made with milk for me. Cheap compared to proper recovery drinks, but from my experience just as good if not better.

My recovery powders are cheaper and more convenient than milk and bananas, the biggest negative against those are the refigeration needed and the continual buying of milk and fruit!

Garry H

jibberjim wrote:

SBezza wrote:

Banana and a whey protein shake made with milk for me. Cheap compared to proper recovery drinks, but from my experience just as good if not better.

My recovery powders are cheaper and more convenient than milk and bananas, the biggest negative against those are the refigeration needed and the continual buying of milk and fruit!

Just get a cow and a banana tree.

Damien_KW

Jim - milk isn't such an exotic substance, I can get it from the shop round the corner. Same with bananas. I also would tend to be running a fridge anyway, so the cost of keeping the milk cold is not really applicable.

But most of all, I've tried your recovery drink and it was gross.

jibberjim

Damien_KW wrote:

Jim - milk isn't such an exotic substance, I can get it from the shop round the corner. Same with bananas. I also would tend to be running a fridge anyway, so the cost of keeping the milk cold is not really applicable.

We have enough trouble keeping it full of supplies of milk for regular purposes (ie drinking) to suddenly find space for more. Maybe people without a wife used to North American sized fridges wouldn't have the problem.

I also don't have a fridge in the car for when I'm not returning home.

Damien_KW wrote:

But most of all, I've tried your recovery drink and it was gross.

You are allowed to flavour it you don't have to have it unflavoured.

SBezza

jibberjim wrote:

SBezza wrote:

Banana and a whey protein shake made with milk for me. Cheap compared to proper recovery drinks, but from my experience just as good if not better.

My recovery powders are cheaper and more convenient than milk and bananas, the biggest negative against those are the refigeration needed and the continual buying of milk and fruit!

I buy fruit nearly every day anyhow, especially bananas , you can also buy milk that doesn't need to be refrigerated

These are everyday items in my household, so very convenient for me Jim

I also use more milk on my breakfast than I do in a recovery shake.

JJDLD

Back to the OP...

I've tried SIS Rego, but couldn't get on with it (I don't mind the other SIS products, drinks and gels).

Current fave is Powerbar chocolate recovery drink (not the Lion one - not tried that) - Wiggle have / had some on offer. I'm sure there are more "technical" products out there, but it tastes good and does seem to work for me.

JJ.

Red Rider

He's already been advised by both myself and others to go the whey protein route, but seems to be ignoring it.

Don't get grumpy Garry! I wasn't ignoring the advice The only suggestion about whey protein before my last post suggested it'd work out the same price as an FGS. As I like them, I thought I might as well stick with something I know I like the taste of.

oh for goodness sakes, get yourself on to www.myprotein.co.uk and order yourself some whey, a shaker and a big scoop. £25ish for 100 servings. Job done.

Why would people bother replying "just eat more" and "you get enough protein from your food" when clearly that's not the answer that's being looked for.

There are no side effects to taking in too much in the way of protein (if you follow the recommended serving), other than peeing it out, and your muscles will feel much better the next day.

So that's that then!

£25 for 100 is cheaper than suggested earlier. And you're right pumpkinhead, the answer I was looking for wasn't eat a balanced diet or eat more. I do eat a balanced diet but not eating meat can make it tricky to get extra protein in a meal.

As it was mentioned earlier, I also checked out Nesquick today and it does seem pretty similar to FGS (ahhh, the power of marketing :twisted: ) but the saturated fat content is pretty high whereas it's essentially non-existent in FGS.

Thanks for everyone's advice so far. I'm not ignoring it

gingerdog

I use slim fast. Its cheap and tastes alright.

pumpkinhead456

I am guessing by now you will have been to the myprotein website and bought some.
I have been using the whey powder for 3 weeks now and it is excellent, wish someopne had pointed me in that direction a while back.
As I am a real man I opted for the unflavoured version, and to be honest it is not too bad, kinda like very diluted milk if you take it with water. The reviews for the flavoured versions are very favourable too!
As these products are developed specifically for muscle recovery and growth they have been tailored to not include saturated fats etc when not needed. I am sure nesquick will taste lovely on a daily basis, but at the end of the day you will have a chocolate moustach and rotting teeth...

Rapha

There are so many recovery drinks out there but its important to find the right one for you.

Taste is important and there are plenty of good ones out there - I tried FGS and couldn't get on with it! I want to look forward to having my recovery drink at the end of a session

3:1 ratio carbs to protein seems to be the most efficient- its glycogen that needs replenishing after exercise. Protein helps in the recovery process by repairing damaged muscle and a much smaller amount is required for this.

Use Whey Protein - it has a much better range of amino acids and will help rebuild muscle better and stronger. It also plays a part in keeping your immune system strong. Its more expensive but the benefits are there for you.

Most cyclist spend a lot on their bike and other kit. If you want to get benefits from training then use the best recovery drink thats out there rather than save some pennies because it will make a difference.

springtide9

Glasgowbhoy wrote:

I quite like the FGS after a long cycle. The problem I have is that no matter how much I wash the bottle out afterwards they seem to leave a stinking smell in the bottle.

Ha, ha...

I'm sure that's why their mixed 8x selection (with the free bottle) is cheaper than buying x24 of the same flavour (at Wiggle). I've got into the habit of only using the a specific bottle for FGS and putting it in the recycling it after a few weeks

I like the taste of FGS... and the main reason why I would struggle to switch is I don't want the hassle of mixing the stuff up and blending it.
It's also perfect for MTBing... as you just carry an additional bottle of water and sachet - leave it in the car until after the ride.

Rego Recovery looks like an alternative... but I personally like the pre-measured sachets.

For Goodness Sake, just use For Goodness Shake LOL

mentalalex

http://web.me.com/yoursportsfuel/Yoursportsfuel/ysfR6.html

I use this stuff it's fab!

ive tried a lot of stuff! , zipvit taste horrible, for goodness shakes are nice thou! but this stuff , i find works much better!