Our police in action...

Cressers

Blair may have moved on but his legacy remains...

http://www.gainsboroughstandard.co.uk/n ... _1_2919355

http://www.dorset.police.uk/default.aspx?page=4524

StillGoing

And your point is?

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rick_chasey

philthy3 wrote:

And your point is?

You might find this web site more useful.and dare I say supportive of your views http://www.redflag.org.uk/

Haha, you don't know cressers do you?

StillGoing

I must confess to missing the wink off, but my assumption is anti establishment no matter what side of the political agenda it is. Appears to be a bash the police post for no reason or have I missed the point? :?: :oops:

rick_chasey

philthy3 wrote:

I must confess to missing the wink off, but my assumption is anti establishment no matter what side of the political agenda it is. Appears to be a bash the police post for no reason or have I missed the point? :?: :oops:

I'm a little critical of cressers so i'm not particularly objective, but the impression I get is that cressers has petite bourgeouise leanings, of the daily mail variety, combined with a chronic fear of the future, whatever the future is, since he believes it will all end in a 1984 esq state.

StillGoing

Really! Can you buy tickets?

bails87

What's the problem. They saw something that might have been indicative of drug cultivation, so they investigated it. No-one was wrongly imprisoned, any damage caused will be paid for, and the technique works for finding 'real' criminals.

I don't like what Labour did with civil liberties, but I don't think this has got much to do with it.

Red Rock

bails87 wrote:

What's the problem. They saw something that might have been indicative of drug cultivation, so they investigated it. No-one was wrongly imprisoned, any damage caused will be paid for, and the technique works for finding 'real' criminals.

I don't like what Labour did with civil liberties, but I don't think this has got much to do with it.

+1

Homer J

Inspector Darren Brown said: "A majority of operations of this nature are intelligence-based and often rely upon swift action.

bompington

I've got a better idea - when they detect something like this they should give the household a ring and ask them "are you growing drugs our is that just a hamster heater?"

tarquin_foxglove

bails87 wrote:

What's the problem. They saw something that might have been indicative of drug cultivation, so they investigated it. No-one was wrongly imprisoned, any damage caused will be paid for, and the technique works for finding 'real' criminals.

So if you had been in your loft and not replaced the hatch properly, creating a big giant hot spot above your home, you'd be quite happy that the police kicked your door down based on no other corroborating evidence, information or investigation?

A similar thing happened to a mate at Uni, Police had a search warrant for 1 and he lived at 7. Took nearly 6 months for the landlord to get his money back after getting the door fixed.

re: Dorset Police 'No excuses' I think that is brilliant and wish Durham Police would do something similar.

neiltb

It could be worse, Britich Columbia police have a district where they can do this too, except they use a loophole that allows the local power authority to 'inspect' the house with the police outside and then hand you a $5200 bill even if they find nothing wrong!

tarquin_foxglove

from the daily hate, so a dubious source but it appears that

'It is not the responsibility of the Constabulary to reimburse the cost of any damage which is as a result of officers legally entering a property.'

As the were executing a search warrant they would have been entering the property legally, so any payment made will be a ' gesture of goodwill'.

dilemna

What troubles me is that the house wasn't properly insulated. Had it been, then there wouldn't have been a hotspot visible from space and therfore no raid.

Guinea pig - oooh the irony.

How is the little critter(s) any way?

shouldbeinbed

tarquin_foxglove wrote:

bails87 wrote:

What's the problem. They saw something that might have been indicative of drug cultivation, so they investigated it. No-one was wrongly imprisoned, any damage caused will be paid for, and the technique works for finding 'real' criminals.

So if you had been in your loft and not replaced the hatch properly, creating a big giant hot spot above your home, you'd be quite happy that the police kicked your door down based on no other corroborating evidence, information or investigation?

Dedicated heat lamps and residual domestic warmth eminating up a loft hatch into a large generally coldish space are very different outputs. If your scenario had any basis in reality everyone with a loft conversion would be raided almost daily when the heating or electrical gadgets were going.

tarquin_foxglove

shouldbeinbed wrote:

Dedicated heat lamps and residual domestic warmth eminating up a loft hatch into a large generally coldish space are very different outputs. If your scenario had any basis in reality everyone with a loft conversion would be raided almost daily when the heating or electrical gadgets were going.

Really.

Richard_D

tarquin_foxglove wrote:

shouldbeinbed wrote:

Dedicated heat lamps and residual domestic warmth eminating up a loft hatch into a large generally coldish space are very different outputs. If your scenario had any basis in reality everyone with a loft conversion would be raided almost daily when the heating or electrical gadgets were going.

Really.

Simple physics a heat lamp will be a point source of say 100degrees C a loft hatch will be a broad area source of say 20 degrees

drewfromrisca

I think there was also a report of 'blue' light eminating from the window which is a sign of hydroponics.

I did a warrant myself a few years back on findings like this and found about 120 caanabis plants being cultivated so it does work...sometimes

bails87

tarquin_foxglove wrote:

bails87 wrote:

What's the problem. They saw something that might have been indicative of drug cultivation, so they investigated it. No-one was wrongly imprisoned, any damage caused will be paid for, and the technique works for finding 'real' criminals.

So if you had been in your loft and not replaced the hatch properly, creating a big giant hot spot above your home, you'd be quite happy that the police kicked your door down based on no other corroborating evidence, information or investigation?

So if there were reports of a man (purely by concidence) wearing similar clothes to you, driving the same model and colour of car, who'd been threatening people with a gun, would you be happy if you got stopped by the police and were late for a job interview because your car was being searched for weapons?

No, of course you wouldn't be 'happy' about it. But that doesn't mean the police are in the wrong.

Also, in the guinea pig story there's no mention of any damages being caused.

Anonymous

I also read somewhere that the heater in question was bought in Hamsterdam

So sorry.......

Anonymous

Further reports indicate the woman was trying out the heater and using her pets as Guin....oh.

gethmetal

I think it shows incredible ineptitude on behalf of the force involved. Simple fact is, for all their posturing on 'Cops with Cameras' et al, they have no idea what they're looking for. The Dyfed Powys Police Helicopter is stationed close to my home town, and spends a fair bit of time hovering over the manor.
They have 'seen' nothing, ever. And I know for sure it's happening.

Even if they could see the growlabs, is £15 million quid p.a. spent on the chopper worth it to catch a couple of stoners feeding their own habits? I think not.

StillGoing

The force helicopters when on jobs will take aeriel footage from time to time in order to have an updated footprint of the area for future operations. When it hovers over your house it may just be taking pictures or thermal imaging, which will detect hot spots from premises. If the helicopter is up over your way regularly it may be it has called by on the way back from something else after hearing the radio traffic. It may be it was used for that very job if it was serious enough. What would you sooner, the helicopter sat on the ground not bothering to go out to anything? How do you know they don't catch anyone; do you have access to the police communications and custody systems?

gethmetal

I live in a town of 3000 people, some of whom are growing cannabis. And this is the area to which I refer.
If you fart in my hometown, word gets around quick. That's how I know.
As for what I'd rather they did with the chopper, I'd say scrap it and spend 15 million quid a year on those quaint old devices, Police Officers.

gavintc

A colleague was stung with a drugs growing farm in his house. His job changed demanding a move to Scotland, could not sell the house, so rented it out. The first he knew it was being used as a cannabis farm was when the cops called him wanting to discuss the problem. He ended up significantly out of pocket putting the property back to being a house. So, I support the cops targeting potential drug farms.

snailracer

gethmetal wrote:

I live in a town of 3000 people, some of whom are growing cannabis. And this is the area to which I refer.
If you fart in my hometown, word gets around quick. That's how I know.
As for what I'd rather they did with the chopper, I'd say scrap it and spend 15 million quid a year on those quaint old devices, Police Officers.

They'd prefer to scrap the chopper and spend the money on...surveillance drones. A whole fleet of them, monitoring us 24/7, with an unblinking eye :shock: Automatically tracking, recording and analyzing our every movement.

gethmetal

Drones will analyse our every movement? :shock:

gavintc

snailracer wrote:

gethmetal wrote:

I live in a town of 3000 people, some of whom are growing cannabis. And this is the area to which I refer.
If you fart in my hometown, word gets around quick. That's how I know.
As for what I'd rather they did with the chopper, I'd say scrap it and spend 15 million quid a year on those quaint old devices, Police Officers.

They'd prefer to scrap the chopper and spend the money on...surveillance drones. A whole fleet of them, monitoring us 24/7, with an unblinking eye :shock: Automatically tracking, recording and analyzing our every movement.

LOL, and you read this is in some tabloid paper.

spen666

Police inaction?

StillGoing

So what's the story behind the picture then? Clealry not a UK officer. Was he on his rest break? Did he get disciplined as a result of the picture if he was on duty? Never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to have a pop at the facist junta eh.

Gethmetal
Maybe if you spent more time reading your local forces Chief Constable's annual report to the Police Authority, you'd see what the helicopter actually delivers in comparisson to the costs. It doesn't just serve your town of 3,000 people, but the whole force area and if it's anything like other forces, is probably shared with neighbouring forces. There are some pretty remote areas of Wales where the helicopters equipment comes in bloody useful as well as the ability to act as a casevac in emergencies. Sounds to me like you've got a personal grudge against the helicopter and police in general. You're not a ghost writer for Spen666 are you?

gethmetal

No grudge against the Constabulary here Phil, I assure you.

All I stated was, in my hometown there are people growing cannabis and that the Chopper has caught none of them to date despite what I (admittedly as a layman) consider to be a disproportionate (to the population) amount of time spent hovering above the gaff. If you want to add validity to your own statements by looking at the wider Force area, then that's fine. It does not alter the accuracy of what I'm saying.

In respect of your enquiry as to whether I'm a 'ghost writer', no I'm not. I'm my own person.
I can see that you are The Man's man though. Are you a Police Officer, perchance?