They weren't all 'rent a mob' !!

MattC59

It turns out that not all of the trouble in the student riots was due to 'Rent a Mob'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12163961

Serves the fekker right !

downfader

Local radio here messed up the report and said he'd been jailed for "18 years"

TBH though, serves him right. Stupid thing to do and I'm glad he's been separated from normal thinking and reasonable people. Now if they could lock up some more of the thugs that are out there..

shouldbeinbed

He claimed to be devastated when he realised people might have been hurt by his actions. FFS he lobs a heavy metal object off a 100 foot high building into a crowd and doesn't think it might sting a bit if it hit someone. The benefits of a university education eh. Plank!

Flasheart

He attends (attended) Brockenhurst College up the road from me. My son Matthew knows him, but thankfully has nothing to do with him

ilm_zero7

He deserves all he got, and more - as do the others - the country is on its knees so the urgency to rebalance the books falls on everyone - I despair at the Union chiefs who say sod it we want a 10% pay rise anyway just as much as the bankers who still want fat bonuses...... and as for 'the period of banking remorse being over' well it is not those guys who felt they had the right to gamble with our livelihoods and the UK economy ....they still owe a bloody lifetime debt!

phearnde

The UK's current deficit is down, largely, to the previous government's irresponsible spending over most of its' term of office.

Sure the money that had to be invested in the banks, to stop them from failing, has contributed to the deficit.

rick_chasey

phearnde wrote:

The UK's current deficit is down, largely, to the previous government's irresponsible spending over most of its' term of office.

Sure the money that had to be invested in the banks, to stop them from failing, has contributed to the deficit.

The issue is the gov't are providing free capital which in turn is contributing significantly to the profitability of the banks, which in turn, is the justification for the high performance related pay.

StillGoing

shouldbeinbed wrote:

He claimed to be devastated when he realised people might have been hurt by his actions. FFS he lobs a heavy metal object off a 100 foot high building into a crowd and doesn't think it might sting a bit if it hit someone. The benefits of a university education eh. Plank!

And we're supposed to have sympathy with dicks like this. If the future of our country and the world lie in the hands of this example of the student populace, then heaven help us. Clearly that tiny piece of grey matter that inspires logic was having an off day. Let's hope he doesn't have similar off days when he's a captain of industry or in the middle of performing life saving surgery.

northernneil

I suspect his chances of being a captain of industry or a surgeon are pretty much fvck3d up now....

rick_chasey

philthy3 wrote:

shouldbeinbed wrote:

He claimed to be devastated when he realised people might have been hurt by his actions. FFS he lobs a heavy metal object off a 100 foot high building into a crowd and doesn't think it might sting a bit if it hit someone. The benefits of a university education eh. Plank!

And we're supposed to have sympathy with dicks like this. If the future of our country and the world lie in the hands of this example of the student populace, then heaven help us. Clearly that tiny piece of grey matter that inspires logic was having an off day. Let's hope he doesn't have similar off days when he's a captain of industry or in the middle of performing life saving surgery.

They are indeed the future. Maybe their university funding shouldn't have been cut eh?

Jez mon

philthy3 wrote:

shouldbeinbed wrote:

He claimed to be devastated when he realised people might have been hurt by his actions. FFS he lobs a heavy metal object off a 100 foot high building into a crowd and doesn't think it might sting a bit if it hit someone. The benefits of a university education eh. Plank!

And we're supposed to have sympathy with dicks like this. If the future of our country and the world lie in the hands of this example of the student populace, then heaven help us. Clearly that tiny piece of grey matter that inspires logic was having an off day. Let's hope he doesn't have similar off days when he's a captain of industry or in the middle of performing life saving surgery.

Wow, way to stereotype a whole generation right there!

Tbh though this country seems pretty f***ed anyway, and that's not the fault of the current generation of students

Squillinossett

Good, I can understand how one could get caught up in the heat of the moment, but this was a blatant disregard for any potential consequence, and as said, could have easily ended in someone's death.

He got what he deserves, he wanted to act "the big man" and now can deal with the result.

Flasheart

Jez mon wrote:

Wow, way to stereotype a whole generation right there!

Tbh though this country seems pretty f***ed anyway, and that's not the fault of the current generation of students

I have to agree. As I said, my son attends the same college as the afore-mentioned cretin.
I don't sing the praises of many people but my son:
Just turned 18
Had to be coaxed into going to the pub on his 18th for a free beer with his Dad
Took over his brother's Paper Round at 13
Has worked every Saturday & Sunday every weekend since he was 16 serving coffee at local pub (now 18 so maybe bar work)
Banks his wages & is carefull with his money
Doesn't abuse alcohol or any substances
Attends college and never misses as day &only missed 2 days the whole of secondary school

Yes he sounds boring as hell, but he's a great kid and I'm very proud of him

If my son is even a percentage of the future leaders & businessmen of this country , I reckon we'll be okay

Squillinossett

Flasheart wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

Wow, way to stereotype a whole generation right there!

Tbh though this country seems pretty f***ed anyway, and that's not the fault of the current generation of students

I have to agree. As I said, my son attends the same college as the afore-mentioned cretin.
I don't sing the praises of many people but my son:
Just turned 18
Had to be coaxed into going to the pub on his 18th for a free beer with his Dad
Took over his brother's Paper Round at 13
Has worked every Saturday & Sunday every weekend since he was 16 serving coffee at local pub (now 18 so maybe bar work)
Banks his wages & is carefull with his money
Doesn't abuse alcohol or any substances
Attends college and never misses as day &only missed 2 days the whole of secondary school

Yes he sounds boring as hell, but he's a great kid and I'm very proud of him

If my son is even a percentage of the future leaders & businessmen of this country , I reckon we'll be okay

Agreed, Despite what people might say, I am a firm believer that upbringing plays a huge part in a childs development, it seems you are in the small % that seem to get this correct. Please bear in mind I am only one generation older than the students, and I can see a big difference from people I grew up with as a child & teenager, and those I speak to today (few as they may be)

ilm_zero7

Flasheart
Flash we will all be relying on your son to generate money to pay for our pensions ! alas there may not be enough others like him

rick_chasey

Felt so Good wrote:

Flasheart
Flash we will all be relying on your son to generate money to pay for our pensions ! alas there may not be enough others like him

Pfft, you're just envious of youth.


We were all young once. Some still are.

Get over it!

Most nations celebrate youth. Not here...

Karl2010

Yikkes. Just watched the video. So so, lucky nobody got killed.

He is 18 and has just made a foolish mistake. Surley he has already lernt his lesson.

Im just glad nobody got killed. The kid has got off lightly in that sense.

cedar404

Deserved to go to jail for a very dangerous action.

On the other hand is that Police Officer who was responsible for the death of a guy at the G20 protests still walking around scot free ?

alfablue

I have no sympathy for this chap, but the sentence immediately reminded me of the contrast with the many more lenient sentences received by people who actually cause death by their actions. I guess it depends upon the reletive esteem society places on the victims / perpatrators in each case.

Just for example, one person who caused death through their actions received , a 12 month community order, with 200 hours of unpaid work – known as Community Payback – and told to pay £110 costs..

Doesn't seem quite right to me.

Richard_D

To Tar All that generation based on a minority of the people who demonstrated in London is in effect saying that all Cyclists are redlight jumpers and all drivers are permanently on the phone. I am not a student My daughter is the same age as the idiot that dropped the fire extinguisher. There were demonstrations and Sit ins in almost every university town and city across England. The only ones that hit the national news were the ones that resulted in trouble in London.

But I do have a another point. He gets almost 3 years and no one was hurt. A nursery assistant hurts and abuses children on numerous occassions and gets 4 years. Something seems wrong with this sentencing. I realise that the Judge only has limited powers in setting the sentences and one is going to a young offenders institute and the other to prison and then on to the sex offender register but the abuser seems to have got off light in comparison

Richard_D

To Tar All that generation based on a minority of the people who demonstrated in London is in effect saying that all Cyclists are redlight jumpers and all drivers are permanently on the phone. I am not a student My daughter is the same age as the idiot that dropped the fire extinguisher. There were demonstrations and Sit ins in almost every university town and city across England. The only ones that hit the national news were the ones that resulted in trouble in London.

But I do have a another point. He gets almost 3 years and no one was hurt. A nursery assistant hurts and abuses children on numerous occassions and gets 4 years. Something seems wrong with this sentencing. I realise that the Judge only has limited powers in setting the sentences and one is going to a young offenders institute and the other to prison and then on to the sex offender register but the abuser seems to have got off light in comparison

alfablue

Richard_D wrote:

But I do have a another point. He gets almost 3 years and no one was hurt. A nursery assistant hurts and abuses children on numerous occassions and gets 4 years. Something seems wrong with this sentencing. I realise that the Judge only has limited powers in setting the sentences and one is going to a young offenders institute and the other to prison and then on to the sex offender register but the abuser seems to have got off light in comparison

I think it is to do with how the establishment abhors filthy subversive student demonstrator scum more than they do child abusers or drivers that kill others in their cars.

bompington

alfablue wrote:

Richard_D wrote:

But I do have a another point. He gets almost 3 years and no one was hurt. A nursery assistant hurts and abuses children on numerous occassions and gets 4 years. Something seems wrong with this sentencing. I realise that the Judge only has limited powers in setting the sentences and one is going to a young offenders institute and the other to prison and then on to the sex offender register but the abuser seems to have got off light in comparison

I think it is to do with how the establishment abhors filthy subversive student demonstrator scum more than they do child abusers or drivers that kill others in their cars.

I think it's more to do with the fact that he deliberately threw a missile at people, which only missed by a tiny distance, and which would have been lethal if it hit. The charge might not have been attempted murder but it should have been.
Not to say that the child abuse sentences shouldn't have been tougher.

alfablue

bompington wrote:

I think it's more to do with the fact that he deliberately threw a missile at people, which only missed by a tiny distance, and which would have been lethal if it hit. The charge might not have been attempted murder but it should have been.
Not to say that the child abuse sentences shouldn't have been tougher.

And the various drivers that escape custody? There seems to be an imbalance.

bompington

alfablue wrote:

bompington wrote:

I think it's more to do with the fact that he deliberately threw a missile at people, which only missed by a tiny distance, and which would have been lethal if it hit. The charge might not have been attempted murder but it should have been.
Not to say that the child abuse sentences shouldn't have been tougher.

And the various drivers that escape custody? There seems to be an imbalance.

Only if the drivers have deliberately driven at peds/cyclists with the intention of hitting them. And in fact I would guess that a fire extinguisher from 100ft is likely to kill a higher proportion of times than a ped/cyclist struck by a car.

alfablue

Well I would say it isn't so clear-cut. Many convicted drivers have knowingly engaged in sustained acts of driving that could pose a danger to others. Yes, a direct hit by the extiguisher is probably 100% lethal to one person (or two in a close embrace), but motorists have managed to kill multiple people (I attended a collision where 5 were killed).

StillGoing

Rick Chasey wrote:

Felt so Good wrote:

Flasheart
Flash we will all be relying on your son to generate money to pay for our pensions ! alas there may not be enough others like him

Pfft, you're just envious of youth.


We were all young once. Some still are.

Get over it!

Most nations celebrate youth. Not here...

You want to get a trailer to help cart that chip around.

StillGoing

alfablue wrote:

I think it is to do with how the establishment abhors filthy subversive student demonstrator scum more than they do child abusers or drivers that kill others in their cars.

I don't think they do. Blatant disregard for the safety of others is treated with equal distatse, but I would hazzard more so with child abusers. A victim who is helpless to protect themselves needs someone with a lot of self discipline to investigate and succesfully prosecute the offender. I know I couldn't do it. The failure of the judge in sentencing the paedophile is not the fault of the judge that sentenced idiot boy.

jim453

I feel sorry for the kid.

Got swept along with a load of others and did something stupid. I've done the same.

It's right that he pays, as he is responsible for his own actions but that's a bad start to his adult life there. He is in no way prepared for where he is going.

Silly lad.

TuckerUK

jim453 wrote:

I feel sorry for the kid.

Got swept along with a load of others and did something stupid. I've done the same.

It's right that he pays, as he is responsible for his own actions but that's a bad start to his adult life there. He is in no way prepared for where he is going.

Silly lad.

I agree.

Likely a feeble minded soul, with a whole group of others egging him on.

If I had a pound for every stupid thoughtless act I made as a child/teenager/young/adult/middle age man... (that list just kept growing!)...

Not sure I'd change the punishment though.

alfablue

philthy3 wrote:

alfablue wrote:

I think it is to do with how the establishment abhors filthy subversive student demonstrator scum more than they do child abusers or drivers that kill others in their cars.

I don't think they do. Blatant disregard for the safety of others is treated with equal distatse, but I would hazzard more so with child abusers. A victim who is helpless to protect themselves needs someone with a lot of self discipline to investigate and succesfully prosecute the offender. I know I couldn't do it. The failure of the judge in sentencing the paedophile is not the fault of the judge that sentenced idiot boy.

Every time someone gets in a brawl outside a nightclub and swings a fist they have a blatant disregard for the safety of others. Their punishments (if punished) tend to have some relationship to the harm caused, rather than the potential for lethal harm.