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Onzadog wrote:All the bikes in the house are 27 speed. The car is a beat up old Toyota and neither me nor the wife work in IT.
You have the right criteria but "some people" will harp on about the fact you own a Mac.. it's almost as big a crime of owning a singlespeed0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:I don't use traktor pro, but a mate of mine does. What do you want to know about it?
Yeah, I think you got the wrong end of the stick thereRaymondavalon wrote:+1 the reason I've always used a Mac.
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Personally I couldn't give a rat's what anybody uses, as long as they don't believe it places them in a different class of being, just by being it's users.Raymondavalon wrote:Onzadog wrote:All the bikes in the house are 27 speed. The car is a beat up old Toyota and neither me nor the wife work in IT.
You have the right criteria but "some people" will harp on about the fact you own a Mac.. it's almost as big a crime of owning a singlespeed
Enough blabbering though, what do you want to know about traktor?0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:
Enough blabbering though, what do you want to know about traktor?
i used to like traktors0 -
Onzadog wrote:Only just signed up to this forum. I'm normally on STW (does that make me an outcast here before I start?).
Found this thread amusing as I'm browsing on a mac while trying to make a windoze XP machine useful again by installing Ubuntu (which I've never used before but it can't be any worse or need any more maintenance).
Ubuntu = excellent - I have an elderly laptop. Windows was taking ages to boot up, crashing, and just being generally annoying.
Ubuntu boots in under a minute, easy to use, and fairly stable.
Except it takes a while to debug new versions. Recently went from 9.10 to 10.4, and am about to reinstall the older version. (Karmic Koala).I don't do smileys.
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just can't get on with macs. i use an i phone and i pod buti've tried to use a mac - they're quite widely used in my industry- but i just can't get used to them.....
where's the right mouse button? Laughing
It's the one on the right. At least, it certainly is the one on the right whilst I write this on one of my Macs. HTH.0 -
My sentiments are with Northwind. Left to rot, XP got heavily bogged down. Vista, and to a much higher degree 7, don't seem to suffer the same.Northwind wrote:cooldad wrote:Ubuntu = excellent - I have an elderly laptop. Windows was taking ages to boot up, crashing, and just being generally annoying.
Did you ever try a clean reinstall out of curiosity?
In fact, this very laptop running Ubuntu now boots, starts programs, and generally responds slower than it did running the win7 beta.0 -
singlespeedexplosif wrote:just can't get on with macs. i use an i phone and i pod buti've tried to use a mac - they're quite widely used in my industry- but i just can't get used to them.....
where's the right mouse button? Laughing
It's the one on the right. At least, it certainly is the one on the right whilst I write this on one of my Macs. HTH.
Out of curiosity, and simply because I've never tried it, do you know if 5+ button mice work on macs? I've always got some handy shortcuts assigned so some mouse buttons, so that i can be lazy and not have to move my hands.0 -
Northwind wrote:cooldad wrote:Ubuntu = excellent - I have an elderly laptop. Windows was taking ages to boot up, crashing, and just being generally annoying.
Did you ever try a clean reinstall out of curiosity?
I did once, but was soon gummed up again with stuff. I was a bit paranoid about viruses etc, so ran a firewall, antivirus, adblocker, and adaware. I think it was just too much for my laptop.
One of the things that attracted me to Linux was the lack of virus problems.
I'm probably riddled with them by now, but they have no effect.
Anyway Ubuntu works perfectly for anything I need to do, which is mainly writing crap on the forum, and buying stuff.
Plus I love free stuff. Apart from OEM software, I've never actually bought anything. And I still remember MS DOS.I don't do smileys.
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i'v always used windows as i don't need to spend loads of money on a computer/laptop. e.g atm my laptop cost £350 and it does the job fine. it came with windows 7 which is pretty simple to use and not had big problems with it. i'd rather spend the money on bikes :P0
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Mac: overrated because of it's cool image, not as powerful as the fanboi's like to think it is.
Win: Xp was awesome, vista was peepee poor, 7 starts the road back to being awesome, and is the best current OS.
Linux: Not great, but OK, perfect for fiddlers, and it's free, so that's good.
Chrome OS: Not out yet, but when it is, it'll be for single, 20-something blokes living in Cali', keen to keep up with their social lives, more that do any work. Will probably look and "feel" great though. Great execution of a crap idea. I mean, an OS that's really just a browser?! come on! shame as Google's other projects are damn good.I like bikes and stuff0 -
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I have both a Mac and PC. I love the speed that the Mac boots up and is ready to use, it looks nice too. Shame I always end going back to using the PC to get some actual work done.
Mac = great for creative programs and looking good.
PC = Office packages work so much faster and easier, the creative programs aren't that far behind Macs either.
I still prefer my PC at the end of the day.0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:Personally I couldn't give a rat's what anybody uses, as long as they don't believe it places them in a different class of being, just by being it's users.
Agreed, some people buy Macs solely because they are an expensive alternative to traditional 'puters and believe it put them in a different league. A little like the BMW 335D Tourer
I've used them for decades and even own a 20 year old Macintosh SE/30 (30MB HDD!)
However I do own a PC too and it still runs XP as it worksyeehaamcgee wrote:Enough blabbering though, what do you want to know about traktor?
Just curious that's all..CraigXXL wrote:
PC = Office packages work so much faster and easier, the creative programs aren't that far behind Macs either.
MS Office for Mac works a charm I'll have you know, it's brilliant!
All the Open Office stuff including Sun Microsystems' Star Office left a lot to be desired0 -
Raymondavalon wrote:CraigXXL wrote:
PC = Office packages work so much faster and easier, the creative programs aren't that far behind Macs either.
MS Office for Mac works a charm I'll have you know, it's brilliant!
All the Open Office stuff including Sun Microsystems' Star Office left a lot to be desired
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yeehaamcgee wrote:
What "creative programs" does the mac have an advantage with then?CraigXXL wrote:PC = Office packages work so much faster and easier, the creative programs aren't that far behind Macs either.
These?
http://www.findmysoft.com/software/get_porn/I don't do smileys.
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yeehaamcgee wrote:
What "creative programs" does the mac have an advantage with then?CraigXXL wrote:PC = Office packages work so much faster and easier, the creative programs aren't that far behind Macs either.
PhotoShop is easier to use and although not cross platform Garage is simply to use0 -
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Photoshop is cross platform though. And whilst Garage band is an iLife exclusive, there are many alternatives on the PC, from Magix music maker type stuff, to Cakewalks Guitar tracks, or whatever it's called these days. Also, Cakewalk's beginner range.CraigXXL wrote:yeehaamcgee wrote:
What "creative programs" does the mac have an advantage with then?CraigXXL wrote:PC = Office packages work so much faster and easier, the creative programs aren't that far behind Macs either.
PhotoShop is easier to use and although not cross platform Garage is simply to use
Garageband is ultimately nothing to write home about.
As far as professional-grade audio is concerned, the only thing that comes to mind that is missing on the PC is Logic. Apple bought out Logic, and turned it into an OSX exclusive. Something of an idiot move since most of it's userbase (and therefore customers) were on PCs.
However, ont he flipside, there are several home studio or pro-audio packages that exist solely on the PC, from Sonar, to SADiE, to Pyramix.
And of course, ProTools is cross platform. Most of the really REALLY big ProTools rigs I've seen are on PC, but I think that's just coincidental.
As far as video goes, you again have iMovie in the iLife suite for mac, but the free Live movie maker form MS is a capable package.
Moving up a step, there are exclusives for both platforms, such as Final Cut for the mac, or Vegas for the PC (Vegas is cheap, but don't discount it's prowess, it's a surprisingly capable package)
Avid, I believe is cross platform, but again the only large installations I've seen are based on Windows systems. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen Avid on a mac, although I'm assured it does exist.
Then of course there's the true megabucks, and beyond that, the proprietary video.movie stuff. It really does appear that the PC, or even Unix (not including OSX) are favoured here. Possibly because of easier software development, and the ability to build custom machines to any scale required.
On the 3DCGI side, both platforms are well catered for, with THE king of all that is CGI, Maya being cross platform.
Sadly, the other real challenger to Maya's throne, 3DStudio max, is a windows only application.
As you leave CGI and get into the technical realm of CAD, PCs again seem to have the larger share of the market. But, that stands to reason, since there are so many more windows users to target.0 -
Raymondavalon wrote:bentes wrote:you should try win 7 then. way faster than vista and you don't have to waste disk space on another OS.
Win 7 = Vista 2 (VII) and Microsoft's p1ss poor attempt to emulate OSX once again
Also it's chunky and full of security bugs due to MS's Active X architecture.
LINUX used to be great when the Distros were smaller, but it has become somewhat bloated over the years, however it's an ideal alternative to MS Windoze
Anyone ever dabbled with Free BSD? Or am I the only person here who really likes the BSD based OSes?
Would just like to say on security Apple made the mistake a year or so ago saying about security, n they got more attacks in a week than they had ever had before. Hackers attack the mass market and apple is still to small in terms of value of data to be worth attacking, they did it out of a snub.
And Linux is hardly bloated in comparison to 7 or OS-x
and current thinking in the market is 7 is as easily accessable and as usable as OS-x and that Microsoft for the first time got it right
The main difference software wise for me is Mac doesn't let you do much other than pointy click, there is alot more play with microsoft and even more again with Linux but obviously each step along required more intemate knoledge of how a system works. and of course that you can only really go OS-X if your willing to pay the premium for an apple puter.
which leads me back to what i've said before, Mac are great forusers who don't care about how there computers work and just want to get on( and have a little spare dosh) and more advanced users in terms of the OS move down the line.0 -
I won't disagree with that. Windows tryies to be all things to all men. Even though system tweaking is a thing of the past realistically, there is still a lot of stuff you CAN fiddle with, that is actually presented to you.Thewaylander wrote:which leads me back to what i've said before, Mac are great forusers who don't care about how there computers work and just want to get on( and have a little spare dosh)
But, curiously, I built an Ubuntu machine for my mother who is completely new to computers, and she's getting along fine with it. All she wants to do is write a few letters, sort out pictures she's taken with her camera, read emails and go online, and it's fine for her.
Now, it's highly unlikely that she would ever have chosen linux, and she would have never ever built her own PC, but since i've set it up for her, she's been fine.
So, maybe if you COULD buy computers with Linux on them, then people would be fine for browsing facebook, googling things and so on with them.
However, most of the Linux based netbooks were returned, or people asked if they could have windows on them, so...0
