Bonking/hitting the wall

Buckled_Rims

dm38 wrote:

firstly I'm trying to figure out what is the better of the two being a troll or a nutcase who needs to see a mental health expert to get my head seen too - yes this is my first post but i'm not new to bike radar or the forums - just never had anything I wanted to as before if that's ok.

The food intake was what I had during the day not including dinner or anything else I may have in the evening or weekend - I'm not big on breakfast and like I said previously I just don't have the time during the day to stop for snacks. Yes I am very active and more so than most people I love running and cycling and it's nothing new or unusual. When I was 14 and going into my GCSE curriculum my parents stopped me from doing more than 3 sports a week as I did anything and everything. 12 of those hours a week are from my commute to work and back and although they are no Sunday stroll I get no pleasure from them and enjoy going on a couple of long rides with my partner every week. And then there is running which I love more than cycling. thanks for the responses some of which were very helpful. But I think I will pass on seeing a psychologist and be very careful about what I post or ask next time and i'm sorry if I offended anyone or asked an inappropriate question.

Don't have too thin a skin when you post a question. I've over 1000 posts and still get stupid replies every now and again - the vast responses are trying to help you, it's just you don't hear the verbal way they respond. Written words sometimes seem harse and critical, whilst the poster doesn't actually mean it that way...most of the time.

You soon trust the advice of some posters and ignore others after a while. Go for the basic facts first when seeking answers.

Back to your original question. Have you tried eating more and resting 2 days a week?

Crapaud

dm38 wrote:

firstly I'm trying to figure out what is the better of the two being a troll or a nutcase who needs to see a mental health expert to get my head seen too - yes this is my first post but i'm not new to bike radar or the forums - just never had anything I wanted to as before if that's ok. ...

Nutcase, definitely. You need to be to fit in properly.

dm38 wrote:

... thanks for the responses some of which were very helpful. ...

It's the lack of feedback that causes the cries of 'troll'. Considering the numbert of posts about calorific intake, it would have been useful to have a fuller picture of what you ate, for example, or which replies were helpful. You haven't discovered you're pregnant, have you? :twisted:

NPH

I did mean some help with the psychological aspects of your training, which I have found really helpful myself, in terms of mental preparation, listening to my body, undoing old patterns of ridiculous expectations of myself, appreciating the importance of rest and so on; not that you need in depth personal therapy on the basis of what you've written - don't have a closed mind.

dm38

Well I really hope I'm not pregnant, but I don't think I am - would be highely unlikely and a very interesting surprise.

Yes I took the weekend off, figured a break would do no harm, back on the bike today but taking it gently and will build up to a long ride on Wednesday night (weather permitting as it's looking like heavy rain). Stocked up on some foods over the weekend and trying to have a diet overhaul. Changed from marmite to almond butter at breakfast and threw in an extra yogurt. And made a chickpea and cous cous salad for lunch. It's just a matter of getting stuff prepared the night before. I also plan on digging out all those running magazines I have and getting some tips from the nutrition sections as I've I always skipped that part when flicking through.

I was a bit defensive in the previous post - I saw psychogical, something doesn't fit, getting help and troll one too many times :P

Will let you know how I get on with my next long ride and if the rest and change in diet makes a difference.

ColinJ

I like the sound of your chickpea and couscous salad!

Don't you fancy my porridge?

darren H

Okay I've had the bonk in both running and cycling.
On my bob Graham round going up Fairfield I was literally crying and couldn't move. It took 3 mars bars and some flapjack and a can of coke to get me going. That was 8 hrs in and I still had 14 hrs running left. Made it though in 22 hrs.
If your running 72 miles you have a bad patch at some point


The worst I ever experienced on a bike was coming back from buxton heading up for the jug and glass. I'd started wobbling at the morrisons at buxton. By the time I'd got nr the pub I literally keeled over. I threw the bike at the side of the road and lay in the field. I had no food left but 2 x gels which I gulped down. My head was spinning and if I am truly honest I had no feeling and couldn't really care if I ever moved again. 15 mins after the gels I was sitting up and was so spaced out that I was pissing myself laughing with the pain. I still had about 40 miles left and I think I had done 117 miles up to that point.
I know I totalled 157 miles that day but when it started to hit me I could literally not pedal one inch further.
Probably an hour before I felt okay.

ColinJ

darren H wrote:

The worst I ever experienced on a bike was coming back from buxton heading up for the jug and glass. I'd started wobbling at the morrisons at buxton. By the time I'd got nr the pub I literally keeled over. I threw the bike at the side of the road and lay in the field. I had no food left but 2 x gels which I gulped down. My head was spinning and if I am truly honest I had no feeling and couldn't really care if I ever moved again. 15 mins after the gels I was sitting up and was so spaced out that I was pissing myself laughing with the pain. I still had about 40 miles left and I think I had done 117 miles up to that point.
I know I totalled 157 miles that day but when it started to hit me I could literally not pedal one inch further.
Probably an hour before I felt okay.

That's definitely bonking!

dm38

Thought I would revive this old post and give a bit of an update.

So about 3 months later everything has changed - nutrition was never a priority in any of my training and I was probably a little touchy about it.

Anyway some of the fatigue and shortnes of breath remained so I went to see my GP and found I was pretty severely anaemic - probably a combination of the high training load and bad/inadequate diet. So I invested in a copy of Nancy Clarks sports nutrtion and started increasing my calorie intake to match my output.

My training has improved leaps and bounds since I started this - it's incredible. My whole focus has changed and I feel like a 'new rider'. Something that was a bit weird was that I pretty much doubled what I was eating a day with nurtient dense things like nuts, oily fish etc and somehow lost 10 pounds - very bizzare.

I've also joined a new gym which also has triathlon training session and have been labelled the 'machine' as I have managed to win all the hill challenges so far - which for me feels pretty spectucular given that it's mainly men who look like machines!! I've also embarked on a strength training programmes with one of the trainers at the gym as I would like to put a bit of weight on (maybe the amount I lost) and improve my upper body strength - which is ridiculously weak.

So thank you to everyone as this post got me thinking and motivated me to get out of my rut.

dm38

p.s @ColinJ my new favourite breakfast is 60g oats, honey and half a 170g tub of fage greek yogurt mixed in. :-)

ut_och_cykla

dm38 wrote:

Thought I would revive this old post and give a bit of an update.

So about 3 months later everything has changed - nutrition was never a priority in any of my training and I was probably a little touchy about it.

Anyway some of the fatigue and shortnes of breath remained so I went to see my GP and found I was pretty severely anaemic - probably a combination of the high training load and bad/inadequate diet. So I invested in a copy of Nancy Clarks sports nutrtion and started increasing my calorie intake to match my output.

My training has improved leaps and bounds since I started this - it's incredible. My whole focus has changed and I feel like a 'new rider'. Something that was a bit weird was that I pretty much doubled what I was eating a day with nurtient dense things like nuts, oily fish etc and somehow lost 10 pounds - very bizzare.

I've also joined a new gym which also has triathlon training session and have been labelled the 'machine' as I have managed to win all the hill challenges so far - which for me feels pretty spectucular given that it's mainly men who look like machines!! I've also embarked on a strength training programmes with one of the trainers at the gym as I would like to put a bit of weight on (maybe the amount I lost) and improve my upper body strength - which is ridiculously weak.

So thank you to everyone as this post got me thinking and motivated me to get out of my rut.

Great that you followed up the (perhaps rather harsh) advice given here and got yourself checked out and double great that you gave us all some feedback.Thanks! Good luck with the weight training - bear in mind you might need to adjust your nutrition again if you want to put weight/muscle on rather than just get stronger. I guessed you might be a vegan but if you eat fish clearly you're not and you should find easy sources of protein to help your muscles grow.
good luck!
[edited for smelling pistakes]

ColinJ

dm38 wrote:

p.s @ColinJ my new favourite breakfast is 60g oats, honey and half a 170g tub of fage greek yogurt mixed in. :-)

I've never tried yoghurt in my porridge!

What I have been doing recently is chopping hot Thai chillis into it ... that gives it a real kick!

Oh, and I'm glad you got yourself sorted out!

Mark Alexander

That doesn't sound like much food as mentioned.

rick_chasey

Just have a bar or two in the back pocket just in case.


A friend who had a serious bonk in the Alpes said that you really know when you've bonked.

He went a little mad and almost passed out. He said when he was given some sugar he could feel it corsing through his veins and made him feel better almost instantly. He couldn't stand up.


Anything other than that he calls "hungry"...