Channel 4 Tonight 21:00 hrs

upperoilcan

To see exactly what happens when one eat's far too much and does not do any form of exercise. :shock:

Anonymous

James Corden's not on again is he?

upperoilcan

NapoleonD wrote:

James Corden's not on again is he?

Agreed another revolting human being,but not quite in the league of tonight's offering....

Stewie Griffin

I can look around my office and see what happens to folk who eat too much and exercise too little.

Pross

Stewie Griffin wrote:

I can look around my office and see what happens to folk who eat too much and exercise too little.

I just look in the mirror

newtez2

Guys its the same where I work!! not got at all! lots of over weight stressed out bosses!! :?

nevman

Pity this is on the cake stop then

Surrounded by a sea of munters. :roll: :roll:

Valy

wut?

Frank the tank

I would think everyone on this forum aspires to be fit and healthy and being morbidly obese is not on their agendas. Being that fat is not at all appealing to me but I think a lot of people who get into such a state have other underlying issues.

When upperoilcan refers to them as revolting (I assume he's on about their physical appearance) I can think of lots of people that revolt me and it has nothing to do with their physical appearance.

balthazar

upperoilcan wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

James Corden's not on again is he?

Agreed another revolting human being,

Crikey. He's the actor, isn't he? Whatever did he do to you?!

upperoilcan

Sorry to sound so harsh chaps and maybe i was being a little hasty by describing him as revolting....Perhaps disgusting is more apt,further more i was'nt even directing it at his colossal frame more to him as a human being.........

I just dont find him at all to my liking............

newtez2

I kinda felt sorry forn him in the end!

TommyEss

newtez2 wrote:

I kinda felt sorry forn him in the end!

Who, Corden?!

upperoilcan

TommyEss wrote:

newtez2 wrote:

I kinda felt sorry forn him in the end!

Who, Corden?!

No i think he's referring to that fella on the tv programme last night....

newtez2

Nope not Corden! if he lost weight he would lose £££££££££££

Slapshot

This guy is at the extreme end of the scale but there are a lot of people in a similar position. My wife's weight balloned to 24stone around ten years ago through long bouts of depression and comort eating following the deaths of two of our kids (I've commented on this elsewhere). I got through it by cycling 200ks+ a week and playing lots of ice hockey, mind you I'm suffering similar issues now, difference is I'm trying to do something about it.

After trying successive diets, hypnotherapy etc etc she was given a gastric band, she lost over 12 tone in weight. SHe was then given plastic surgery to take away a huge flap of excess skin which was bodged, she caught MRSA which caused her band and stomach to herniate becuase of the vomiting. She put four stone back on until the hospital gave her a full bypass to fix the mistake they made. Now at the end of the process she weight 11 stone and looks great.

Point is wthout the surgery she'd never have got to this stage.

People like the guy in this programme don't want help, the people around him don't want to help him and the ineffective social and welfare state we have means that £1.5 million is thrown at him every year instead of forcing him into some process to make him healthy. Then again in a country where a Muslim cleric who wants to blow Britain to bits gets £15k a month should we be surprised that socially this guy has been allowed to get to this stage.

Obesity is a massve issue, but not one health trusts want to address. The Bariatric Surgery and aftercare budget in one trust is around £250,000 per year, the value of a couple of middle level NHS managers. Alcohol related care costs around 25 times this, drugs and smoking even more. Surgery is not the complete answer, education is but no-one wants to tackle it and it's too late.

Food for many is an addiction just like drugs, alcohol and nicotine, you don't have to drink or smoke but you do have to eat!!

newtez2

Slapshot!!!
well done mate!! I take my hat of to you guys!
You are 100% correct, my wife lost her mother due to a drinking related death she was only in her 50's, her weight shot up after the years that followed, wasnt much i could say to really help as she was suffering in her own way!
shes ok now getting her life back, looking forward etc and being postive.

TommyEss

Slapshot wrote:

Obesity is a massive issue

Pretty much. I hit 100kg a couple of Christmases ago, and hitting 3 figures scared me enough to turn "cycling a bit now and then" into "better join a club and get out there regularly"

Been down as low as 74 since then, but put about 10 back on since moving to Oz, and being without my bikes for about 3 months whilst they were shipping over (and another Christmas did for the rest)

So I'd like to get back down there, and a bit more.

Biggest problem for people that get above "a bit lardy" as I was, to "oh my God, I'm a whale" is that even walking becomes arduous - putting all the emphasis on reducing the food intake.

When I was losing weight, I didn't consciously cut any food groups out, I probably tried to eat slightly more sensibly, but it was never like I'd stop myself having a mars now and then, but I was able to balance that against the exercise. I don't think I could have lost anything really by dieting alone - tried that as a fat teen and didn't get very far.

shm_uk

I too watched the C4 doc last night.

Seeing any human being reduced to a point where they literally hate themselves and have seriously contemplated suicide is always upsetting.

What came across very clearly was that he didn't attempt to blame anything or anybody other than himself for his situation.

It was very uplifting to see him on the path to 'recovery'.


I am very aware of judging the circumstances of other peoples lives.
You don't know their past, and you don't know your future.

freehub

It's so easy to loose weight isn't it if you find a sport you love and get addicted to.

jairaj

agree with above. I think today's society put too much emphasis on eating habits and not enough on being active.

Im of an average weight but eat and drink probably a bit too much but manage to balance this with exercise and being active.

But I think all the above goes out of the window if you have other mental, social or physical factors to consider. which I think the person on C4's program had. I only watched a bit of the program but I don't think the situation is as easy as getting him to play a sport he enjoys.

Frank the tank

I watched the programme and must admit I felt guilty of morbid curiosity and bit, almost, ashamed like I was a viewer at a modern day freak show.

One observation I made (says he, trying to lighten things up, no pun intended) was the bloke lost 13stone as soon as he got on the scales, as his estimated and publicised weight was 70st but when actually weighed he was 57st.

It's going to be one hell of a campaign for him to achieve anything like a normal weight, best of luck to him.

shm_uk

Apparently he's down to 37 stone now...

And allegedly he's proposing to sue the NHS for failing to provide the necessary help/advice to him when his weight became such a problem all those years ago...

Slapshot

shm_uk wrote:

Apparently he's down to 37 stone now...

And allegedly he's proposing to sue the NHS for failing to provide the necessary help/advice to him when his weight became such a problem all those years ago...

From my earlier post this is a massive part of the problem, answer these;

1. At what weight do you call things a major problem
2. What underlying health issues do you have (Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, heart issues etc etc)

Right now locally you CANNOT be referred to the Dieticians and Bariatric Team locally unless you have a weight of over 27 Stone a BMI of over 50 and have at least one of the underlying health issues above. Before any surgical intervention there are a group of three diet types you have to spend time on and fail miserably with. It is a night mare.

He's right to sue IF he's honest about going to them for help in the first place and having it refused but you cannot fight the NHS. Diets and Bariatric surgery are an easy cost to cut!

Chip \'oyler

shm_uk wrote:

Apparently he's down to 37 stone now...

And allegedly he's proposing to sue the NHS for failing to provide the necessary help/advice to him when his weight became such a problem all those years ago...

I'll be honest now. i don't have time for obese/fat people. It really upsets me to see them abusing their health and mobility through their own choices when my wife struggles with walking and her life due to MS. She didn't choose to have it. If they choose to sit on their arses and eat loads then perhaps they'd like to swap lives with her? She'd love to be able to cycle, run, go walking in the Dales again.

But I watched the show with an open mind and understood that he did have some underlying 'emotional' problems that cause him to overeat.

I'm afraid that if he does indeed sue the NHS then he'll have lost my sympathy. I'm sorry but he ate 20,000 calories in a day. You don't need the NHS or a surgeon to tell you that amount of food aint good for you.

Something needs to be done about the UK's obesity problem. My wife sat there watching the programme nearly in tears. She couldn't understand the amount of money that was thrown at him and the help and support he gets when she gets bugga all help from the NHS and has more or less been forgotten.

I'm gonna stop typing now because I'm making myself angry...

amaferanga

To sue the NHS just ensures that there's even less money available to treat everyone else. Sure if the NHS really did mess up then sue them, but if this guy gets anything then it'll be an absolute f@cking joke.

rick_chasey

amaferanga wrote:

To sue the NHS just ensures that there's even less money available to treat everyone else. Sure if the NHS really did mess up then sue them, but if this guy gets anything then it'll be an absolute f@cking joke.

He'll only get what he is and should be entitled to.

finchy

Chip \'oyler wrote:

But I watched the show with an open mind and understood that he did have some underlying 'emotional' problems that cause him to overeat.

There are two people close to me who have suffered emotional neglect and blackmail in their childhood, and have turned to eating as their only way of escape - basically like some people turn to drugs and alcohol.

Now both adults, and out of the situation, they are finally, after over a decade of getting ever fatter, making some positive steps.

Although I agree with you that many obese people are simply greedy, or have crap parents who don't know how to feed them properly, there are some who really do need help (as you acknowledge).

Stick8267

Many people who are morbidly obese have underlying issues that lead to overeating but the answer is not surgery it is dealing with those issues. If you treat the depression then you can treat the eating. The biggest problem is the lack of belief, interest or investment in mental health support.

This, however, is different to people who are simply overweight because they cannot be bothered to look after themselves. These are the vast majority and for them fat is a lifestyle issue.

Interestingly the evidence would seem to suggest that while exercise is good for you in general it is very poor at shedding weight in comparison to calorie counting.

Eat less, weigh less. It really is that simple for the majority and pouring money in to bariatric surgery at the expense of other healthcare needs makes me furious!

Chip \'oyler

Stick8267 wrote:

Many people who are morbidly obese have underlying issues that lead to overeating but the answer is not surgery it is dealing with those issues. If you treat the depression then you can treat the eating. The biggest problem is the lack of belief, interest or investment in mental health support.

This, however, is different to people who are simply overweight because they cannot be bothered to look after themselves. These are the vast majority and for them fat is a lifestyle issue.

Interestingly the evidence would seem to suggest that while exercise is good for you in general it is very poor at shedding weight in comparison to calorie counting.

Eat less, weigh less. It really is that simple for the majority and pouring money in to bariatric surgery at the expense of other healthcare needs makes me furious!

But exercise then becomes part of your calorie counting. So you count all the calories ingested and take away your BMR expenditure, your normal activity expenditure plus your exercise calories.

If you ingest less during the day than you've expended then you lose weight.

amaferanga

Rick Chasey wrote:

amaferanga wrote:

To sue the NHS just ensures that there's even less money available to treat everyone else. Sure if the NHS really did mess up then sue them, but if this guy gets anything then it'll be an absolute f@cking joke.

He'll only get what he is and should be entitled to.

Can't see any reason why he shouldn't get precisely zero. No-one forced those 20,000 calories a day down his throat.