Riding in Peak district, advice needed
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It's a BW and the descent starts from Margery Hill and goes down Howden Edge.Neither of the links you provided above go anywhere near Margery Hill!Castleton to Margery Hill either on or off road is a fair old trek in itself.charitydraw wrote:
1 Howden Edge to Slippery Stones (Cut Gate) GR: SK185960
The section of descent from the ?col' at Howden Edge is a classic piece of moorland singletrack with sufficient gravity to nearly qualify as a true downhill. The first pitch is steep, rutted and tricky before a thin strip of dirt breaks out across the open moor. Things then become narrow, stony and loose as you hug the side of Bull Clough, past a couple of hairpins to the rock steps. Don't miss the L turn signposted as a bridleway on this last section ? you will be approaching it fast and there's still a great little hairpin to come! Very satisfying.
basically on the monkeyspoon map this shows as a footpath ( i think, from the symbols given previously)
i actually plan to start the descend from MARGERY hill as i can't find any routes from howden edge ( i can't even find the darn mountain on monkeyspoon map or google map! )
You NEED an OS map.Googlemap and Monkeyspoon are not detailed enough.
Decide WHICH routes you need and I can do gpx files to upload to a gps,but as said before you will need to get an OS map.0 -
Get a hard copy of a OS map....... As previously mentioned though, Www.bikehike.co.uk will display OS online se you can see what OS looks like.0
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charitydraw wrote:by the way, when you mention the footpaths are not for biking
what exactly does that mean
meaning by LAW im not allowed to?
or that its mostly too technical?
A Footpath means a highway over which the public have a right of way on foot only, not being a footway [Section 329(1) Highways Act 1980].
Not sure that cycling on footpaths is illegal, but it'd contravene the access rights given by the various landowners.
At the very least it really irritates hikers & landowners, and gives MTBers bad press.0 -
CHARITY DRAW
you can view OS maps on Bnig MAps
big dashes (green on 1:25k, red 1:50k) are bridleways small dashes are footpaths
as i said last time I dont reccomend you use footpaths unless they are short hops to link other trails and you are prepared to push/carry, although locals may know which are ridable you will not and often they are not, or there is a style every 50m
as well as the issues others have raised.
does not matter how many times you ask, the advice will be: dont incorporate footpaths into your planned routes.
stick with the tried, tsted and published.0 -
Thanks guys.
Yeah im not planning to incorporate many footpaths, although i might use ONE for the 2 downhills before the beast as i want to try both and probably owuld push up that one ( any tips if its rideable or not?)
what do you mean by there is a style every 50m?0 -
and using bng maps, i can't seem to see an OS version of it?0
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hi guys,
heres a typical SELF-MADE- ROUTE that ive pieced together
could you all give me some reviews? (references made on MONKEYSPOON)
- From castleton, follow road and climb up BRINKS ROAD HOPE track ( will descend this later) , enter The beast downhill, up hagg farm then down towards Gore’s DH, turn right and follow road until SECOND parking lot, enter and follow bridle road UP, go straight and meet intersection and turn LEFT and descend HAGGs farm. Enter A57 and go towards snake pass, ascend snake pass.
- Descend BRINKS road HOPE
- Once hit the road, turn back and join the OTHer track, before turning right again to descend ASTON HOPE to a road, hope sweet home at castleton.0 -
Actually guys, after this, i seem to have completed my entire planning for the PEAK district
Day 1 ( Saturday)
- Ladybower trail (26km)
- Edale figure of 8 14KM
Day 2 (Sunday)
- Jacob’s ladder ( high peak trail) *28km
- From castleton, climb up BRINKS ROAD HOPE, enter The beast downhill, up hagg farm then down towards Gore’s DH, turn right and follow road until SECOND parking lot, enter and follow bridle road UP, go straight and meet intersection and turn LEFT and descend HAGGs farm. Enter A57 and go towards snake pass, ascend snake pass.
- Descend BRINKS road HOPE
- Once hit the road, turn back and join the OTHer track, before turning right again to descend ASTON HOPE to a road, hope sweet home at castleton.
One question, the GPX file
http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... spx?id=538
shows me that they reversed the entire ladybower trail and instead of descending derwent edge, they climb up this claiming it is the better of the directions.
Is this true? any reviews?0 -
Sorry BING Maps: zoom in to the location you want and right of the zoom in (magnifying glass with a + sign) there is a drop down menu offering road, street, OS, birds eye. Choose OS and you should get a very detailed contour map but try zooming in and out if not as it wont show if you are at the wrong scale.
A style is a device for crossing a field boundary such as a hedge or fence, bascially a few steps up, a board over and steps down the other side, you need to stop, shoulder your bike, climb over and remount (or stop, hurl bike over, climb over and remount).
1 is ok but after the 10th they are a bit tiresome.0 -
charitydraw wrote:One question, the GPX file
http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... spx?id=538
shows me that they reversed the entire ladybower trail and instead of descending derwent edge, they climb up this claiming it is the better of the directions.
Is this true? any reviews?
Yes - do the route clockwise, so that you descend Winstone Lee Tor towards the A57 - MUCH better this way round
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So basically follow the gpx?
by the way mate,
Would you advice its OKAY for me to do the routes FREE AND EASY on a saturday and on a sunday?
Im considering if i should get a guide to bring me through the stated routes, or since ive done my research just try my luck and ride with a GPS through the area?
Is it okay? Easy to get my way around?
Are the trails crowded during the weekends, will i be able to see hikers and bikers?
It will be in september that i am there.0 -
Now I'm confused.So you're doing the Jacobs ladder route and part of the Ladybower loop on Sunday aswell as doing the Ladybower loop on Saturday?If so it will be a lot more than 28km...more like 45km.charitydraw wrote:
Day 2 (Sunday)
- Jacob’s ladder ( high peak trail) *28km
- From castleton, climb up BRINKS ROAD HOPE, enter The beast downhill, up hagg farm then down towards Gore’s DH, turn right and follow road until SECOND parking lot, enter and follow bridle road UP, go straight and meet intersection and turn LEFT and descend HAGGs farm. Enter A57 and go towards snake pass, ascend snake pass.
- Descend BRINKS road HOPE
- Once hit the road, turn back and join the OTHer track, before turning right again to descend ASTON HOPE to a road, hope sweet home at castleton.
I don't know what BRINKS road HOPE is.There's Hope Brink BW and the description of the route you have there is very very vague to say the least.For instance
The snake pass is a very busy road that you need to cross over not ascend at all.Enter A57 and go towards snake pass, ascend snake pass.
Why not just post dates when you will be riding and see if one of us local types can guide you around?0 -
Ah man my bad, i sound like a fool right now!
- Ibbo : Thanks so much for the over, i GREATLY appreciate the help you have give and offered!
I would be there at the peak district from Friday, 8th of september at about 9pm, will ride the peak district trails from 9th - 10th september ( Saturday and Sunday)
Anyone of you willing to help me out?
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try posting the dates towards the end of august in the rides section,im sure there will be someone free who will be able to meet up with you.0
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Sounds like a plan
but by the way guys
If in the unlikely scenario i am unable to find somebody
is it still safe to ride there alone? ( with the hope that since its the weekends there'll be many people? )0 -
i wouldnt chance riding alone in the peaks or anywhere else,even tho its the weekend when youre riding,you can be out and not see anyone for ages,there are plenty of hillsides you could go down,and not be seen.0
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ahh man that just gave me some goosebumps and actually put me into a dilema
- Get a guide and confirm it or wait till august and try to play with my luck to ride with some locals.
But one thing is that im pretty used to riding and exploring trails on my own .. but then again.. ahhhh...0 -
I/we should be OK to ride one of the days as we're generally out there anyway and could show you all the good bits and miss out a lot of Tarmac/ road riding.
Remind me nearer the time 8)0 -
Damn hey that would be awesome.
ibbo; do you have an email that i could contact you with/ mind to pm it to me?
I was actually also quite worried about riding alone as having a bad crash would mean i have little idea how to get out as soon as possible.
Although i do plan to do a little solo rides after the rides with some locals just to explore others but, man its great that i could join any one of you! Thanks guys!0 -
A question guys
http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php
Using this map
If you were to go to Llanberis SNOWDON, and see MOEL elio
There is a dotted black track, what kind of track is that? i was thinking of riding there as my accommodation is right there at the start of the track
what does black lines represent?0 -
Black dots/dashes etc usually represent County boundaries however without looking I think in Snowdons case it could represent the Railway that climbs to the summit(no bikes allowed IIRC)
*edit* just looked and it definitely looks like the railway.0 -
Ah man, for real?
Thats horrible
But is it really a railway? I asked my guide recently and he mentioned it was a cool ride around that area, and on googlemap it really looks like a track to me ( theres even an extension to enter snowdon ranger's zig zag! )
confused :S0 -
http://www.walkeryri.org.uk/Routes/Eilio_Snowdon.html
This is the exact route im talkin about0 -
guys,
what do you all think of this route?
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/481512
going up to lose hill..0 -
You cannot ride on Lose hill it's a footpath from Hollins Cross up to Lose hill.
From Hollins cross you either have to go left over Mam tor or descend either bridle way to Edale.0 -
ah bam. Thanks, good thing im reviewing routes here with you locals otherwise i'd be breaching the image of bikers.
P.S. That route looks good though, no? :P0 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ieXGJkJMk&feature=related
How about this route? on monkeyspoon i don't seem to see any bridlepath up winHill0 -
The bridle way runs around the flank of Win Hill up to the Roman road,the path to the actual summit of Win Hill is a Footpath.
To go back to your route on Bikely.Just because there is a path there it doesn't mean it's ridable.There is a FootPath to the summit of Lose Hill then you really have to turn around and retrace your steps.The Footpath that leaves the summit point and heads South is really just a faint grass track.The only reason there's a footpath to the summit is it is a good "viewpoint".
As stressed before you NEED an Ordnance survey(OS) map or software that you can view OS maps on.Bikely and Monkeyspoon are OK to plot routes IF you have a paper map to check the route on.
All that will happen(and keep happening) is you will plot a route and post it and then you will be told parts of it are not accessible.
You can purchase THIS MAP (OS Explorer OS1)now! Then you will see the difference between an OS map and Bikely etc.0 -
They are descending the Footpath from Win Hill summit.Not strictly legit but a lot of riders do it then join up with the Bridle way on the Roman Roadcharitydraw wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ieXGJkJMk&feature=related
How about this route? on monkeyspoon i don't seem to see any bridlepath up winHill
As you can see from the video,although a footpath it's exactly the same width etc as the Roman Road it joins with and should really be a Bridle Way but is still a Footpath :roll: ....which is why the access laws are flawed.Having said that many Footpaths although shown on a map will be non-existant when you actually get on them.
Local knowledge etc 0 -
OK here's an example of an OS map with a route I've plotted on it using digital software(Memory map)
As well as BW's and FP's it also shows woodland,contourlines etc.This is an example at 1:50K.1:25K shows even more detail!
It helps if you know how to read a map.0
