Riding in Peak district, advice needed
charitydraw
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Hey guys
Im planning to extend my biking holiday to the PEAK district
May i know if the routes are waymarked? is there any place to take note of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKmC64rw0yQ
This video in particular, which part of edale is it in?
Most likely, ill be living in the EDALE area, what riding is there around there?
Please give me some advice as there isn't much i can find about the routes apart from bikely.
Any long epic downhills near there? ( im fine with long climbs )
Im planning to extend my biking holiday to the PEAK district
May i know if the routes are waymarked? is there any place to take note of?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKmC64rw0yQ
This video in particular, which part of edale is it in?
Most likely, ill be living in the EDALE area, what riding is there around there?
Please give me some advice as there isn't much i can find about the routes apart from bikely.
Any long epic downhills near there? ( im fine with long climbs )
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The routes are not way marked as such, just denoted as bridleways which you link up to form a route.
For a list of classic bridleways/typical routes in the Peak District area try here that you can link up yourself.
http://monkeyspoon.com/Tracks/Monkeyspo ... aceMap.htm
Failing that, for some classic/example routes , search 'Peak District' here;
http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... earch.aspx
With regards to Edale, there is fantastic riding, and as the Peak is relatively small, you are never far away from riding to/from other locations.
Oh and the video is from Mam Tor/Hollins Cross area of Edale.
There are many of us on the forum who ride the Peaks week in week out so there is lots of info available.0 -
Wow hey thanks
by the way, could i just ask you an off topic question
take for example this http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... spx?id=468 gpx file
If i were to go to that exact trail in real time, how would i know which is the right path ..? Would a GPS system actually keep me on track? Its all quite confusing how im suppose to navigate around as im sure there would be certain trail forks which require me to make certain decisions? how do i get around that?
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Great trail choice, thats one of my favourites in the Peak DIstrict. It offers a great variety of terrain from open moorlands to technical descents. A true classic.
I use a GPS when I'm riding in the Peak District, a Garmin Edge 705. There are points on that particular route when you will have to make decisions so at the very least an OS map would be useful. You can print one out on our site for free.
If you haven't got a GPS then by using Google earth you can get a good feel for a route and spot potential points of confusion. Just make sure that you are as prepared as possible.0 -
Guys, just out of curousity
Betwen Coed-y-brenin trails such as The BEAST, and the abundance of natural trails in the peak district, which would you all choose ?
To go the peak district or coed y brenin? please give me some advice. thanks0 -
I have never rode Coed-y-brenin, so im Peak biased, but you are correct, there is so much riding in the Peak its fantastic - weeks worth infact - some really classic routes and being natural that makes it a winner for me.
There is a descent in the Peak called the beast also;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHOtk6G9CAw
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Having ridden both, I would always go for the natural trails in the peak district provided:-
1. You have plenty of time.
2. You have a clear idea of a route and a map.
For me, trail centres offer a quick fix of great sections, but nothing beats a good all dayer following an OS map.
Heres a GPS summary of a route in the Peaks nr edale:-
http://www.trimbleoutdoors.com/ViewTrip/5395870 -
i think charity draw posted a question about waymarked routes around betws recently:
you are coming from somewhere (flat) outside the UK for a brief period and want to ride some classic british mountainbike country right?
I'd agree with P7 & hooch: nothing beats riding a all day up in the hills and the peak has some classics by all accounts (hoping to get up there inthe spring) but if you are unfamiliar with the area, conditions and dont have much experience navigating in the hills with only have a limited time i'm concerned you'll spend too much time routefinding0 -
Hey guys
Yeah i did post up a question on betws recently,
Im planning to ride
1) Snowdon
2) Penmachno + Marin
3) Coed y brenin
4) Peak district.
The reason for going to peak district is because it is EXTREMELY near where i need to be at the end of my mountain bike holiday ( followed by family holiday)
I have a few questions regarding the peak district.
Actually, i plan to simply use a GPX/GPS route and simply follow it on my gps, apart from some days where i could just explore the natural trails.
My questions are -
Where exaxctly is the BEAST downhill? ive heard and saw a lot about it, but have no idea where i can start it.
Some trails i plan to ride :
1) Ladybower classic
http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=628636
2) Jacob's ladder loop
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/WM ... -Difficult
I also plan to try the Mam Tor - Hollins Cross downhill. ( probably will have to try and explore trails to get my arse up onto mam tor.
Actually, im very interested in the downhill rides stated on this website:
http://www.peakdistrictonline.co.uk/mou ... c2052.html
Where they mention Derwent Edge for downhill, but i have no idea where that is.
And this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKmC64rw0yQ
Has really caught my attention to the riding too! Does anyone know where this is and could mark it out on a map for me?
Sorry guys, i know this is really messy as im kind of throwing everything out here but i hope you understand im as lost as a duck coming into Peak district :S ]
P.S. The only thing hindering me from spending 3-4 days at the peak district is riding alone, is there a cheap guide out there i could hire?
Currently i only plan to ride on sat + sun as there would be more people , making it more safe to ride alone.0 -
hello, the ladybower route you have linked is a small walking route i think.a proper route should take you around the res'
bit more like this
http://www.sports-tracker.com/#/workout ... eceuoo60kj
the beast can be found from the junction at hope cross, take the N N/E route towards the woods/res'
Derwent edge is the route from near whinstone lee tor going anticlock wise,i usually climb it
the monkeyspoon site mentioned above give a lot of info about this area including the dh's listed0 -
hey thanks for the help
ive checked out this website, http://monkeyspoon.com/Tracks/Monkeyspo ... aceMap.htm with recommendations from you all
but one question - how do i link up all those rides and make those descends? is there a route / way? The website is really helpful, but i was wondering if i could ride all of them as descensd instead of climbing up all of them eh? is there a route that you all have / use that incorporates them? thanks!0 -
charitydraw wrote:but one question - how do i link up all those rides and make those descends? is there a route / way? The website is really helpful, but i was wondering if i could ride all of them as descensd instead of climbing up all of them eh? is there a route that you all have / use that incorporates them? thanks!
As the routes are not way marked you have to link each one up as a climb/descent as you see fit using other bridleways in the area (the ones listed on monkeyspoon are just ones of note as good climbs/descents).
Take a look on the JustGoRide website I posted earlier in the thread and see how other riders have linked up routes.
Also, take a look on www.bikehike.co.uk and navigate yourself to the Peak District and have a look at the abundance of bridleways in the area and have a go at putting a route together/ copying one already form JustGoRide.
Id suggest if you are planning to go to the Peak that you make sure you have a copy of the relevant ordinance survey map with you.0 -
Oh - and you wouldn't ride all those climbs/descents listed on monkeyspoon all in one day! :shock:
Look at different routes in areas such as Hope, Edale, Castleton, Ladybower etc... over a few days/ morning and afternoon rides.0 -
Good place for detailed maps with routes/alternative routes,heights, graded climbs,pubs cafes etc, recommended,
http://www.bikemaps.co.uk/peak_district.htm
note the picture on the link shows the beast, the route linked to my sportstracker passes hope cross where i carried on northwards down blackley hey,the beast isnt my cup of tea,although not tried it since going fs.
As hoochylala says probably too much to do all the best descents in on day,
plus dont forget jacobs ladder
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Thanks for helping me out
Bamba, as much as i would love your route, 60km will kill me considering im doing about 120km 5days before the peak district riding :S
The max i'd do in a day is probably 40.
Hey Hoochylala, thanks for helping me
but i wanted to know which direction the routes are for DOWNHILL so that i know how to piece them together by using an OS map.
Ill go find one right now (:
P.S. You have any routes that actually already incorporates THE BEAST downhill with other few good rides that you can just paste here and let me have a look? thanks!0 -
I hope you all understand what im asking
basically if you go to the monkeyspoon website, you see the CROSSES on the top of the tracks? do those indicate the start of the downhill or the end of it?
Or is it in random order? i would really want to know this so i can incorporate some good riding in! thanks guys for helping me out
Just want you all to know that i REALLY appreciate this!0 -
oh wait, or am i suppose to actually use the map contour lines to figure it out.. yes?0
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yep use the contour lines. shouldn't be too hard to work it out and get a feel of the terrain, it'll become easier with practice.0
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The points marked on Monkeyspoon cover a massive area, one that could take a good week to explore properly. If you are just out for one or two days and at the end of a fair few days riding, you really just want to ride one of the classic routes rather than trying to navigate your way around a few classic downhill sections of trail.
My advice would be to find a descent sized route and check out the elevation profile as well as the terrain view on google maps. That will give you a better idea then trying to read contour lines.
Here are my current top 3 choices for a good ride in the Peak District at the moment..
Ladybower - http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... spx?id=253
That has three great descents, with three associated climbs. A great variety of terrain and well worth doing. An all time classic.
EDIT: I've altered this route as it has been pointed out to me that the final sections stretched over a footpath.
High Peak Loop - http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... aspx?id=90
This one takes in Jaccobs ladder in the right direction - downhill. It also skirts over the top of Mam Tor so will tick off that box. There are quite a few decent downhills on this one and represents a good days riding.
Cut Gate - http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... spx?id=341
An easy start and end on a cycle path but the bit in the middle, Cut Gate Path is an awesome piece of natural trail which offers some great riding. It does double back but feel different in reverse so it doesn't feel like you are going over old ground.0 -
I agree with JustGoRide suggestions - all classics, though I don't think you can have a bad day out in the Peaks whatever you do
Cut Gate may be one to avoid depending on what time of year you are visiting as it can get very boggy up to in the winter months - although still fun!0 -
damn you guys sure are really helpful.
Probably would be at a real lost without the help
Okay guys just to give you an update on what my plans are.
Basically, ill be living right at CASTLETON, where i am really close to the downhill tracks of hollins cross, The beast, etc.
I also plan on doing the recommended routes by you all,
namely:
1) Dark peaks
2) Ladybower.
3) I will incorporate a route on my own, trying to join up a piece of trail to put in as many downhill classics as possible ! ( probably make it a one day ride..)
guys, would it be safe say,
I take an OS map and simply ride around?
i took nearly 1 hour to piece up some routes via googlemap satellite and http://monkeyspoon.com/Tracks/Monkeyspo ... aceMap.htm to actually see if i am going to get lost. and thankfuly, i actually can see SO MANY of the routes via satellite! ( eg. i can see jacob's ladder, The beast, hollins cross, damn!!!)
I do have one question though. i hope you all can help me out on this as i do want to explore this part on my own but im unsure via the route as the satellite images are confusing.
http://www.sanoodi.com/routes/create/
to this website, go to the peak district, and go to the kinder resovoir which is just beside hayfield
from the tip of the resovoir, there is a route that actually goes north then east, towards KINDERSCOUT right?
the route apparently seems to be IN the river/ crosses it, but on google satellite i can't seem to find a continuation of the track on the other side, this is pretty frustrating as im trying to connect a few classics together.
How does the track actually get across? ( on google satellite, in this area, there looks like there are many paths ( im not sure if they are paths for walking/biking or tributatries from the rivers )
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more on the map
if i compare that exact same location on sanoodi and on monkeyspoon, it appears to me that monkeyspoon's map does not show that route at all, infact shows another route.
Which is which? is there even that route there or ..? hope some light can be shed onto this. thanks!0 -
The track that goes North then East from Kinder Reservoir is a footpath and totally unridable.You cannot go on Kinder scout as there are no bridle ways on the summit plateau.The path to the south of Kinder reservoir is the one you want,it goes over broad Clough/Oaken Clough an up towards Edale cross.
You really need an OS map to identify Bridleways.
On Monkey spoon you have identified certain BWs but it would be a massive loop to incorperate all of them in one ride.
The classic Jacobs Ladder route is around 15 miles with over 3500ft of ascent alone!
I can do you gpx files of routes but you should still take a map.0 -
Hmm, but how do i differentiate between the tracks there? there are many tracks that are dotted red lines just like the footpath that is totally unrideable
Would you guys identify tracks such as jacob's ladder as a BRIDLEWAY?
you mean to say, that with an OS map they clearly show me what is a bridleway and what is a footpath ( mainly in my country, footpaths are usually quite doable by bikes, so apologies for the misconception!)
right now i have these gpx files in mind
http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... spx?id=161
http://www.justgoride.co.uk/Content/Rou ... spx?id=427
They all being EXTREMELY near starting and ending near my accommodation ( damn that is just perfect!)
Probably do those on day 1,
and a jacob's ladder on day 2
Its just so damn frustrating i only have 2days in the Peak district ! ! !
But my other days would be fruitfully spent at snowdon doing some guided rides ;D0 -
charitydraw wrote:... mainly in my country, footpaths are usually quite doable by bikes, so apologies for the misconception! ...
In England you're not supposed to cycle on footpaths so the routes you are looking at should be on bridleways.0 -
oh okay thanks for informing me!
But on the map in monkeyspoon, is there a way to differentiate bridlepaths and footpaths? or is it only differentiated on an ordnance surveyor map?0 -
charitydraw wrote:Would you guys identify tracks such as jacob's ladder as a BRIDLEWAY?
There are 2 tracks up/down Jacobs Ladder. One's a footpath, the others a bridleway.
Bridleway is only really rideable downhill. VERY technical when done as an uphill (i.e. you'll probably end up pushing 80%).charitydraw wrote:you mean to say, that with an OS map they clearly show me what is a bridleway and what is a footpath
Yes. As per O/S:
This is a bridleway: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
This is a footpath:
(The maps on monkeyspoon are O/S aren't they?)0 -
A few Peak District routes, if you need a few hints...
http://www.mountainbikerides.co.uk/routes/1-the-peak-district.html
As previous posters have mentioned, there are weeks worth of routes around the Peaks.
One thing I would advise is to avoid Cut Gate during the winter as the trail really suffers in the wet months.0 -
... and just because a Right of Way is defined as a Bridleway doesn't necessarily mean it's rideable
For example, The Beast most definitely is not rideable uphill.
I'm sure other BikeRadarers can suggest which other bits of the PEaks are best ridden in certain directions...0 -
hmm... thats a good load of info for me at this point of time.
Okay, as per adviced i will drop cut gate ( i never really considered it actually)
by the way, when you mention the footpaths are not for biking
what exactly does that mean
meaning by LAW im not allowed to?
or that its mostly too technical?
* I heard a review on http://www.peakdistrictonline.co.uk/mountain-biking-in-the-peak-district-top-ten-singletrack-c2054.html
on a singletrack from
1 Howden Edge to Slippery Stones (Cut Gate) GR: SK185960
The section of descent from the ?col' at Howden Edge is a classic piece of moorland singletrack with sufficient gravity to nearly qualify as a true downhill. The first pitch is steep, rutted and tricky before a thin strip of dirt breaks out across the open moor. Things then become narrow, stony and loose as you hug the side of Bull Clough, past a couple of hairpins to the rock steps. Don't miss the L turn signposted as a bridleway on this last section ? you will be approaching it fast and there's still a great little hairpin to come! Very satisfying.
basically on the monkeyspoon map this shows as a footpath ( i think, from the symbols given previously)
i actually plan to start the descend from MARGERY hill as i can't find any routes from howden edge ( i can't even find the darn mountain on monkeyspoon map or google map! )0
