footballers doping

hommelbier

johnfinch wrote:

British footballers may or may not be on it, but it's disappointing that the managers of the teams which go to compete in Europe never call out the Spanish or the Italians for doping practices. Surely everyone involved in football must know about Puerto and the allegations regarding the sport, yet everyone just stays silent. :roll:

There's an old proverb "people in glass houses shouldn't..."

cajun_cyclist

Found the story: Excerpt

The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) said on Tuesday it would not stand in the way of an appeal by two Italian footballers banned for a year after turning up late for a 2007 drugs test.

Napoli winger Daniele Mannini and Brescia striker Davide Possanzini were suspended last month by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) after WADA challenged the original 15-day ban issued by the Italian Olympic Committee.

CAS partially upheld WADA's appeal, finding a two-year ban would have been the normal mandatory punishment but reducing it to one year after ruling the players bore "no significant fault" for providing the late samples.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... 94&cc=3888

So, these two players, don't know how this turned out were originally suspended for TWO whole years just for coming late to a drug test. I believe they passed the test and part of the details of the story is one was only 5 minutes late, the other one 15 minutes late.

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But back to this story about the Liga in Spain. I don't mean to cast dispersions nor anything.

Imagine, if 2 deaths in 3 years hit the EPL, English Premier League? And it was written down that the 2 players died of heart abnormalities and imagine if a 3rd player retired after something was found wrong with his heart? I didn't mean to use innuendo. If something like that happened in the PL, the player that retired and one of those that died played for the same team at one time, I do believe people would wonder about that.

Now, still, we have players from school athletics to Universities who die in their sports or practising, this really is not uncommon. I was just bringing that information to bear without making a judgment.

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There is the book "Win at all costs" about football/soccer in Italy by John Foot. I think it is a real good book. I think the Italians have put a lot of emphasis on proper diet, NO boozing, this is something fans of Italy and Serie A would like to point out about English footballers. There may be some truth to that, really haven't had a bust up in a bar this year with a big name yet but one can point to many stories in the past with Gerrard, Terry, Rooney too and something going on. That said, there has been a lot of Match fixing in Italian football in the past that taints it, the Calciopoli scandal of a few years ago that saw Juventus relegated. That doesn't speak well for the sport. I actually think that is probably a bigger problem and the way Spain is with it's cyclists, it has been that way with their footballers. They are suppose to have some of those things that have happened to. That's for another sport. Lots to read about all that if one researches it. Maybe there has been widespread substance abuse. I don't know.

cajun_cyclist

Oh and for the record, one can read the autobiography of Sir Stanley Matthews, "The way it was", decent book, way up in Stoke a long time ago, the '30s, he was already a vegetarian and trying to do all to maximize his performance. They travelled around in trains and I believe sometimes, post war, he writes about how he was sick and needed to play. The doctor gave him something to make him better. This is what Sir Stan wrote. He played the game. Got home. Couldn't sleep, cleaned the house up in the middle of the night, then went out and started cutting the grass outside. He must have been given some sort of speed seems to be the inference, so if one goes back to the golden age of football? I don't know. And Maradona and Argentina were pretty wide open to all kinds of things back then.

In fact, this is football discussion, I don't know at all if in the Famous Miracle of Bern, that is West Germany defeating the great Hungarian team but there have always been rumours and recently in the news, Yes, some study group in Germany studied that 1954 World Cup and they, not me, they come to the conclusion that the Germans did dope.

BERLIN, Germany (AFP) - Germany's legendary 1954 World Cup winning side are said to have been injected with the banned substance methamphetamine, a new university study has revealed.

http://www.soccerway.com/news/2010/Octo ... ere-doped/

That is a bit scandalous to say. I will say, football is so close competitively that whole games turn on bad calls or unsportsmanlike tactics by one team. Even if Spain was able to defeat Netherlands in the World Cup this year, it was so close, it's not that easy to say Spain is really that much better. Not to say they aren't the rightful champions, they are, but Netherlands, Germany, they are just about as good that it's almost to close to call. Just like in '06, when games end in shootouts, that meant the game was a draw basically and Italy won on a shootout but not the game itself.

Sorry to editorialise, that's just my view.

I've always liked the Netherlands but they certainly dove into some very negative tactics at the last world cup. Fine team nonetheless.

finchy

cajun_cyclist wrote:

In fact, this is football discussion, I don't know at all if in the Famous Miracle of Bern, that is West Germany defeating the great Hungarian team but there have always been rumours and recently in the news, Yes, some study group in Germany studied that 1954 World Cup and they, not me, they come to the conclusion that the Germans did dope.

BERLIN, Germany (AFP) - Germany's legendary 1954 World Cup winning side are said to have been injected with the banned substance methamphetamine, a new university study has revealed.

Ex-German goalkeeper Schumacher has claimed that the German players regularly used the amphetamines from the 1970s through to the early 1990s as well as alleging widespread doping in the Bundesliga. So that would be all three of their WC wins. He was forced out of German football after that.

Napoli's ex-president has also spoken about how he helped his players avoid positive drugs tests. It's all in here:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/socce ... roids/632/

OffTheBackAdam

Go back to 2004 and Arsene Wenger's comments.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/14743.php
"We have had some players come to us at Arsenal from other clubs abroad and their red blood cell count has been abnormally high. "
The interesting bit, is he suggests that the players aren't complicit with this!
"That kind of thing makes you wonder. There are clubs who dope their players without the players knowing. The club might say that they were being injected with vitamins and the player would not necessarily know that it was something different."
Looking at the money swilling about the football business (It stopped being a sport many, many years ago!) and one must conclude that doping does exist.

rick_chasey

Anyone see the inner ring blog on this?

sherer

Yes i've heard of the Miracle of Bern and the doping there, as well as paying off the refs and linemen so that the commies didn't win the world cup, hence the onside goal being ruled out later on in the match.

Puerto links to Real and Barca that were never investigated or followed up as well.

Zidance has mentioned this that there were problems at Juve, wasn't there a scandal involving the whole team ?

The Marseille side that won the European Cup was also taking stuff too, Deseilly has mentioned this before although I think I can't spell his name properly.

I think the FIFA and league line is to run a minimal test programme and not really look for anything series when they analyse the tests. That way everyone comes back clean and the money show rolls on

eskimo Joe

Yes I think a dr and the whole of the juve team were implicated in something .
as for footballers dying young, 4 Motherwell players from the 1991 squad have died, ok davie Cooper had a brain hemorage, but 3 other young fit guys have died as well, im not saying they doped , but its a a high % of young guys to die

mrushton

Most of the Juve team of 1996 were involved with something but suffered collective amnesia when questioned

http://www.ergogenics.org/voetbal3.html

281 types of drugs!! Anyway, if you google Juve,doping 1996 there is a lot of info.

RichN95.

West Ham are currently taking a really powerful sedative. B@astards.

No_Ta_Doctor

RichN95 wrote:

West Ham are currently taking a really powerful sedative. B@astards.

Don't worry, once Fat Sam takes over he'll have them all on a cocktail of PCP, speed and crystal meth.

753forme

Surely you mean laxative rather than sedative with regard to West Ham given their output on the pitch?