Anyone on here - Barrister who films road rage?!

gtvlusso

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-11935490

IMHO - Amazed he has so many incidents....I don't think I have had 1 this year, thats worth talking about...

schlepcycling

Is it this guy? http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12743909

gtvlusso

Yeah - it is I think! Still on BBC websitey!

Does nothing happen in Berks?

Fireblade96

gtvlusso wrote:

Does nothing happen in Berks?

No. It doesn't even snow here.

W1

He doesn't like us over here. Especially Greg66 and Spen666. Maybe he doesn't like the number 6?

Anyway, don't question him!

itboffin

It's not Greg66 he just stands in the middle of the Holborn high road shouting obscenities, plus he wouldn't know how to operate a digital camera.

He's very old

spen666

W1 wrote:

He doesn't like us over here. Especially Greg66 and Spen666. Maybe he doesn't like the number 6?

Anyway, don't question him!

With apologies to Rod Stewart & to Millwall fans


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By no-one I clearly mean a certain Mr Porter

greg66_tri_v2.0

itboffin wrote:

a digital camera.

Do they come in stereo?

The man with the cam had a bad case of Howdareanyonedisagreewithmeitis, IIRC.

W1

Greg66 wrote:

itboffin wrote:

a digital camera.

Do they come in stereo?

The man with the cam had a bad case of Howdareanyonedisagreewithmeitis, IIRC.

...and then promptly left, to waste his time elsewhere.

Still, he's a QC you know. A QC! So there.

mybreakfastconsisted

If that was really him, I didn't expect a QC to flounce.

W1

mybreakfastconsisted wrote:

If that was really him, I didn't expect a QC to flounce.

Why not? Barristers are theatre actors who are better paid and have smaller audiences.

And actors are known to be "flouncy"....

mybreakfastconsisted

It was pretty childish.

bigmat

W1 wrote:

mybreakfastconsisted wrote:

If that was really him, I didn't expect a QC to flounce.

Why not? Barristers are theatre actors who are better paid and have smaller audiences.

And actors are known to be "flouncy"....

Not entirely accurate, barristers in my experience tend to be very bright. A lot of their work - say 50% akthough it will vary depending where their strengths lie - will be written, either drafting pleadings or providing written opinions on points of law. The Court advocacy bit is a bit more theatrical, although not nearly as theatrical as you'd expect from watching legal dramas on TV.

My take on the previous thread was that it was a bit odd that the guy was seemingly rounded upon for making a stand on behalf of commuters. Still, I've seen it before on this forum and will no doubt see it again. :?

His main mistake was getting involved in an internet forum argument at all - its difficult to take the intellectual high ground when you're doing that! :P

rjsterry

MatHammond wrote:

W1 wrote:

mybreakfastconsisted wrote:

If that was really him, I didn't expect a QC to flounce.

Why not? Barristers are theatre actors who are better paid and have smaller audiences.

And actors are known to be "flouncy"....

Not entirely accurate, barristers in my experience tend to be very bright. A lot of their work - say 50% akthough it will vary depending where their strengths lie - will be written, either drafting pleadings or providing written opinions on points of law. The Court advocacy bit is a bit more theatrical, although not nearly as theatrical as you'd expect from watching legal dramas on TV.

My take on the previous thread was that it was a bit odd that the guy was seemingly rounded upon for making a stand on behalf of commuters. Still, I've seen it before on this forum and will no doubt see it again. :?

His main mistake was getting involved in an internet forum argument at all - its difficult to take the intellectual high ground when you're doing that! :P

Wot? You mean it's not like 'Garrow' in real life? :roll:

W1

MatHammond wrote:

Not entirely accurate, barristers in my experience tend to be very bright. A lot of their work - say 50% akthough it will vary depending where their strengths lie - will be written, either drafting pleadings or providing written opinions on points of law. The Court advocacy bit is a bit more theatrical, although not nearly as theatrical as you'd expect from watching legal dramas on TV.

Thanks Matt - but it was tongue in cheek!

I'm familiar with the work of barristers....

bigmat

W1 wrote:

MatHammond wrote:

Not entirely accurate, barristers in my experience tend to be very bright. A lot of their work - say 50% akthough it will vary depending where their strengths lie - will be written, either drafting pleadings or providing written opinions on points of law. The Court advocacy bit is a bit more theatrical, although not nearly as theatrical as you'd expect from watching legal dramas on TV.

Thanks Matt - but it was tongue in cheek!

I'm familiar with the work of barristers....

Fair enough - I thought you might have been quoting from somewhere to be honest. I feel slightly defensive of the guy as from my skimming through the earlier thread I got the impression he was coming in for a bit of unnecessary stick, but agree his departure was a bit on the flouncy side!

tailwindhome

MatHammond wrote:

he was coming in for a bit of unnecessary stick, but agree his departure was a bit on the flouncy side!

Posters were expressing an opinion which didn't coincide with his.

Some even suggested a different legal opinion on an issue which I can't recall right now.

Internet arguments eh?

EKE_38BPM

It seems that as soon as some cyclist strap a camera to their helmet they become some sort of wheeled avenger, attempting to right all of the wrongs commited against cyclists. Some helmet cam users seem to attract confrontation (or maybe they go out looking for it)?

Maybe its just the ones who post them online that look for trouble? I am now a helmet cam user and I have no intention of posting every little bit of bother online.
I don't think the internet is big enough for every marginally too close overtake, almost left hook, stupid bit of road positioning etc to be posted.
I did consider posting the clip of a young'un who was more interested in their phone than crossing the road safely, drop said phone when I doled out some Airzound justice. I also considered posting the clip of my stand-up row with a driver who thought it wise to attempt to undertake me on a traffic light controlled, two lane right turn in the snow (I was in the left lane at the time).

I didn't post either as I bought my helmet cam as extra evidence in case of a crash, not to be a wheeled avenger (and at £2.86 + p&p, why not).

hfidgen

EKE_38BPM wrote:

It seems that as soon as some cyclist strap a camera to their helmet they become some sort of wheeled avenger, attempting to right all of the wrongs commited against cyclists. Some helmet cam users seem to attract confrontation (or maybe they go out looking for it)?

Maybe its just the ones who post them online that look for trouble? I am now a helmet cam user and I have no intention of posting every little bit of bother online.
I don't think the internet is big enough for every marginally too close overtake, almost left hook, stupid bit of road positioning etc to be posted.
I did consider posting the clip of a young'un who was more interested in their phone than crossing the road safely, drop said phone when I doled out some Airzound justice. I also considered posting the clip of my stand-up row with a driver who thought it wise to attempt to undertake me on a traffic light controlled, two lane right turn in the snow (I was in the left lane at the time).

I didn't post either as I bought my helmet cam as extra evidence in case of a crash, not to be a wheeled avenger (and at £2.86 + p&p, why not).

Total +1

Origamist

EKE_38BPM wrote:

It seems that as soon as some cyclist strap a camera to their helmet they become some sort of wheeled avenger, attempting to right all of the wrongs commited against cyclists. Some helmet cam users seem to attract confrontation (or maybe they go out looking for it)?

Maybe its just the ones who post them online that look for trouble? I am now a helmet cam user and I have no intention of posting every little bit of bother online.
I don't think the internet is big enough for every marginally too close overtake, almost left hook, stupid bit of road positioning etc to be posted.
I did consider posting the clip of a young'un who was more interested in their phone than crossing the road safely, drop said phone when I doled out some Airzound justice. I also considered posting the clip of my stand-up row with a driver who thought it wise to attempt to undertake me on a traffic light controlled, two lane right turn in the snow (I was in the left lane at the time).

I didn't post either as I bought my helmet cam as extra evidence in case of a crash, not to be a wheeled avenger (and at £2.86 + p&p, why not).

A camera can be more than just a black-box type recorder, or a tool for cycle-cam warriors; just as the uploaded footage can be more than just troll bait, or fora fodder.

I try to use my camera (with admittedly limited success) to make conditions better for other cyclists by highlighting problems with poorly implemented cycle/traffic infrastructure, or by sending film to bus companies or the PCO/TFL in order to improve professional driver behaviour, or as an aid to cycling training (i.e common problems cyclists face and how to ride defensively), and to assist with the campaigning aims of local and national cycle organisations etc.

This small-scale, cycle-cam activism may not change the world, but at least it is an attempt to make a positive difference.

I also use my camera to film group rides where I try to capture some of the beautiful scenery (misty sunrises are great) and the sense of camraderie that I always encounter on these rides.

EKE_38BPM

I'm currently working at one of the bus companies in London dealing with accidents and claims.
The stupidity of some of the bus drivers amazes me. e.g. "I was overtaking a cyclist so I sounded my horn to alert them to my prescence. This appeared to frighten the cyclist who wobbled and collided with the side of the bus." (I paraphrased). I put the blame squarely on the bus driver in that case, but there are times when I have to blame the cyclist. Cyclists have caused accidents and riden away, safe in the knowledge that with no registration plate, they'll 'get away with it'. In a motor vehicle that is less likely to happen and even if a motorist does drive off, the CCTV on the bus or on the street may capture the registration.
I have seen some of the CCTV footage from the buses and its very interesting to see cyclists from the point of view of the driver of a really big vehicle (I've also been WVM driving the biggest vehicles allowed on a normal car licence around London).
Some cyclists don't do themselves or cyclists in general any favours (hitting wing mirrors, RLJing, crazy filtering). Bike riders aren't always in the right, but our vunerabiliy means we can be in real danger. Winding up motorists won't win you many friends.

Anyone using helmetcam footage to pull up the authorities on bad infrastructure gets the thumbs up from me.
Anyone looking for trouble and picking arguments with motorists just to post on Youtube gets the thumbs down from me.

spen666

Origamist wrote:

....
I also use my camera to film group rides where I try to capture some of the beautiful scenery (misty sunrises are great) and the sense of camraderie that I always encounter on these rides.

For any particular purpose, or for own pleasure and own records?

mybreakfastconsisted

EKE_38BPM wrote:

I'm currently working at one of the bus companies in London dealing with accidents and claims.
Cyclists have caused accidents and riden away, safe in the knowledge that with no registration plate, they'll 'get away with it'. .

When did this happen? What was the accident, was the cyclist traced?

Origamist

spen666 wrote:

Origamist wrote:

....
I also use my camera to film group rides where I try to capture some of the beautiful scenery (misty sunrises are great) and the sense of camraderie that I always encounter on these rides.

For any particular purpose, or for own pleasure and own records?

Partly for my own pleasure but I also to share the footage with others.

greg66_tri_v2.0

Great doorstep chat up lines of our time: "My dear, can I interest you in a private viewing of some video film I took with a camera attached to my head? I find it very pleasurable to watch it alone or in company..."

Does mace sting much?

Origamist

Greg66 wrote:

Great doorstep chat up lines of our time: "My dear, can I interest you in a private viewing of some video film I took with a camera attached to my head? I find it very pleasurable to watch it alone or in company..."

Does mace sting much?

I'll watch anything to keep me off pornhub.

notsoblue

EKE_38BPM wrote:

I'm currently working at one of the bus companies in London dealing with accidents and claims.
The stupidity of some of the bus drivers amazes me. e.g. "I was overtaking a cyclist so I sounded my horn to alert them to my prescence. This appeared to frighten the cyclist who wobbled and collided with the side of the bus." (I paraphrased). I put the blame squarely on the bus driver in that case, but there are times when I have to blame the cyclist. Cyclists have caused accidents and riden away, safe in the knowledge that with no registration plate, they'll 'get away with it'. In a motor vehicle that is less likely to happen and even if a motorist does drive off, the CCTV on the bus or on the street may capture the registration.
I have seen some of the CCTV footage from the buses and its very interesting to see cyclists from the point of view of the driver of a really big vehicle (I've also been WVM driving the biggest vehicles allowed on a normal car licence around London).
Some cyclists don't do themselves or cyclists in general any favours (hitting wing mirrors, RLJing, crazy filtering). Bike riders aren't always in the right, but our vunerabiliy means we can be in real danger. Winding up motorists won't win you many friends.

Anyone using helmetcam footage to pull up the authorities on bad infrastructure gets the thumbs up from me.
Anyone looking for trouble and picking arguments with motorists just to post on Youtube gets the thumbs down from me.

+10

rick_chasey

The issue isn't the accidents or the incidents.

The issue is the way people on both sides behave afterwards.

I know I've been in situations where I've been knocked off by a passing bus. After catching up, going to the window, as camly as possible explain what happened (in case the driver was unaware or whatever) only to be told to f*ck off or that I deserved it for riding during rush hour.

That is what is frightening to me - the deliberate damage that you can't defend against.

I imagine many bus drivers have similar stories of cyclists deliberately riding agressively to look for an argument.

hfidgen

Rick Chasey wrote:

I know I've been in situations where I've been knocked off by a passing bus. After catching up, going to the window, as camly as possible explain what happened (in case the driver was unaware or whatever) only to be told to f*ck off or that I deserved it for riding during rush hour.

I have to say - to get a reaction like that would make me go up in a sheet of flame. I'd probably get arrested for assault.

Origamist

EKE_38BPM wrote:

I'm currently working at one of the bus companies in London dealing with accidents and claims.
The stupidity of some of the bus drivers amazes me. e.g. "I was overtaking a cyclist so I sounded my horn to alert them to my prescence. This appeared to frighten the cyclist who wobbled and collided with the side of the bus." (I paraphrased). I put the blame squarely on the bus driver in that case, but there are times when I have to blame the cyclist. Cyclists have caused accidents and riden away, safe in the knowledge that with no registration plate, they'll 'get away with it'. In a motor vehicle that is less likely to happen and even if a motorist does drive off, the CCTV on the bus or on the street may capture the registration.
I have seen some of the CCTV footage from the buses and its very interesting to see cyclists from the point of view of the driver of a really big vehicle (I've also been WVM driving the biggest vehicles allowed on a normal car licence around London).
Some cyclists don't do themselves or cyclists in general any favours (hitting wing mirrors, RLJing, crazy filtering). Bike riders aren't always in the right, but our vunerabiliy means we can be in real danger. Winding up motorists won't win you many friends.

Anyone using helmetcam footage to pull up the authorities on bad infrastructure gets the thumbs up from me.
Anyone looking for trouble and picking arguments with motorists just to post on Youtube gets the thumbs down from me.

As you know, bus drivers in London now receive special training re: cyclists (they have a DVD training aid) and this examines various scenarios: overtaking near bus stops, cyclists undertaking etc and the film discusses best practice in these situations.

I have been trying to get TFL/PCO to adopt a similar approach for training hackney carriage drivers. After a long wait, things seem to be moving towards this end - no doubt due to the work of the LCC.

Here's two vids that illustrate your point that both cyclists and bus drivers need to understand one another far better when sharing road space:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6WMBEHJg1M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEN-McPVwY0

Monkeypump

EKE_38BPM wrote:

I'm currently working at one of the bus companies in London dealing with accidents and claims.
The stupidity of some of the bus drivers amazes me. e.g. "I was overtaking a cyclist so I sounded my horn to alert them to my prescence. This appeared to frighten the cyclist who wobbled and collided with the side of the bus." (I paraphrased). I put the blame squarely on the bus driver in that case, but there are times when I have to blame the cyclist. Cyclists have caused accidents and riden away, safe in the knowledge that with no registration plate, they'll 'get away with it'. In a motor vehicle that is less likely to happen and even if a motorist does drive off, the CCTV on the bus or on the street may capture the registration.
I have seen some of the CCTV footage from the buses and its very interesting to see cyclists from the point of view of the driver of a really big vehicle (I've also been WVM driving the biggest vehicles allowed on a normal car licence around London).
Some cyclists don't do themselves or cyclists in general any favours (hitting wing mirrors, RLJing, crazy filtering). Bike riders aren't always in the right, but our vunerabiliy means we can be in real danger. Winding up motorists won't win you many friends.

Anyone using helmetcam footage to pull up the authorities on bad infrastructure gets the thumbs up from me.
Anyone looking for trouble and picking arguments with motorists just to post on Youtube gets the thumbs down from me.

This post, and the previous one from EKE_38BPM, are the most well-reasoned and rational contributions I've read on this subject.

+ lots.