Milk as a recovery drink?

KnightOfTheLongTights
KnightOfTheLongTights Posts: 1,415
edited December 2010 in Training, fitness and health
has it got enough protein in it to make a difference?

so if I've not got any meat or protein drink hanging around after a hard session and just have some pasta and a pint of milk - is that going to aid muscle recovery / development?

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  • ut_och_cykla
    ut_och_cykla Posts: 1,594
    Pasta has a fair bit of protein in it. you have to drink a fair bit of milk to get daily reqirements and its not the full aminoa acid spectrum - only eggs have that. Fish is a good source of low fat protein - tinned tuna for example a small pasta and tuna meal would be a good recovery meal.
  • cycleactive
    cycleactive Posts: 8
    We ran a training camp a while back for the Olympic Talent Team from BC, and their coach was all in favour of a banana and a glass of milk as a quick, simple recovery snack. Personally I'd throw it in a pot with some berries and a dollop of greek yoghurt and use a hand blender to make a smoothie - the antioxidants from berries are good to get inside fairly ealy after exercise. If you're not pregnant (and if you're really a long tights knight you shouldn't be?) then you could always throw in a raw egg.
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  • KnightOfTheLongTights
    KnightOfTheLongTights Posts: 1,415
    cheers all, noted
  • andrewgturnbull
    andrewgturnbull Posts: 3,861
    Hi there.

    I'd steer clear of the raw eggs - salmonella is an all to common occurrence amongst body builders due to raw eggs.

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  • SBezza
    SBezza Posts: 2,173
    If you have a banana and milk that is more than enough to get a good start to the recovery process. If you have any whey powder add some of that as well as milk protein takes longer to be digested and absorbed.

    Then all you need to do is have a proper meal about 1 -2 hours afterwards.

    I use FGS as a recovery drink, and that is just milk, sugars and flavourings really. I also sometimes just have whey powder, milk and a banana. I seem to recover pretty fast from my sessions.

    I use drinks as there is no way after a hard session I could eat a meal within the ideal 20 minutes, let alone cook it first. I have a drink, then stretch, and bath/shower, before making a proper meal.
  • Mr Dog
    Mr Dog Posts: 643
    'If i paid for it myself, it'd be a pint of milk' - Nigel Mitchell Team GB on recovery drinks.
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  • Rouge Penguin
    Rouge Penguin Posts: 347
    Are For goodness shakes any good really? serious question, not a dig.

    I got one free in S'burys and was wondering if its up to the job. I cant seem to find what type of protien it is, or whether its just a skimmed milk and sugar and not really worth wasting the money on.
  • SBezza
    SBezza Posts: 2,173
    FGS are pretty good, I have never had a problem with them, except for being slightly expensive. The protein in the drinks are just milk protein, so casein I believe. It is absorbed slower than whey protein, but not by much.

    I did try the recovery powder they sell, I got a free one from Wiggle, that tasted really nice as well, and that has whey protein in it as well.
  • SteveR_100Milers
    SteveR_100Milers Posts: 5,987
    SBezza wrote:
    FGS are pretty good, I have never had a problem with them, except for being slightly expensive. The protein in the drinks are just milk protein, so casein I believe. It is absorbed slower than whey protein, but not by much.

    I did try the recovery powder they sell, I got a free one from Wiggle, that tasted really nice as well, and that has whey protein in it as well.

    +1 I use the FGS powders as they are skimmed milk based, whereas the bottled stuff is semi skimmed and has more fat in it. The powders are also much cheaper in bulk than buying premade from tescos
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    From what I heard at a talk, the only good things for recovery is complete proteins, which you can only get in meat products, and eggs. Apparently the proteins in milk are denatured.

    I was disappointed because the 22g of protein in a can of beans is absolutely useless.
  • jonmack
    jonmack Posts: 522
    Another user of FGS here, can't fault them.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    ut_och_cykla wrote:
    Pasta has a fair bit of protein in it.


    I'm struggling with this one. For some pasta shells, etc - I can see some protein content, but for a lot of dry pasta I see no protein? (Just looking it up online)

    Are you sure 'pasta' has lots of protein in it?



    FWIW - I am using the REGO powder now with a combination of water and milk for recovery. Makes a REALLY yummy chocolate shake. Probably better than a genuine chocolate milk shake for taste!
  • badly_dubbed
    badly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    100g of brown pasta in my cupboard has 12.3g of protein - almost half that of one can of tinned tuna, so id say its viable anyway :)
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  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    But it's not good protein unless it's from meat or eggs.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    freehub wrote:
    But it's not good protein unless it's from meat or eggs.


    I'm not saying you're wrong - but source for this please? I've not heard this before. I didn't realize there are different kinds of protein.


    EDIT: Isn't pasta made from eggs and flour!?
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    It's just what I hear alot and some guy who owns a company called CNP that makes all this stuff and supplys team sky was talking about it.

    Anyway from what I gather you can if you combine certain food make complete proteins which are good

    http://www.bodyforlife2.com/incompletprotein.htm

    http://www.answerfitness.com/518/what-i ... e-protein/

    So there is a few plant sources that are good.

    One thing is for sure though, a pan of pasta won't be helping recovery much.

    **edit**, yeah I never thought about that. I dunno, one thing I notice is, my recovery is crap, and I hardly eat any meat, I eat crap loads of beans and pasta tho.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    How much protein do you guys consume? I've read various figures but around 1.3g per kg of body weight seems about the average. I tend to eat that much in my daily diet so adding protein recovery shakes would send me over, which I've read does more harm to recovery than good.
  • freehub
    freehub Posts: 4,257
    If that's true then I need 100.1g of protein per day, I may have half of that if I'm lucky :shock:
  • KnightOfTheLongTights
    KnightOfTheLongTights Posts: 1,415
    Pokerface wrote:
    [EDIT: Isn't pasta made from eggs and flour!?

    most dried stuff isn't but some is - it generally says so on the pack. You often get egg tagliatellie for instance.

    And I think most / all fresh pasta is made with egg.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:
    Pokerface wrote:
    [EDIT: Isn't pasta made from eggs and flour!?

    most dried stuff isn't but some is - it generally says so on the pack. You often get egg tagliatellie for instance.

    And I think most / all fresh pasta is made with egg.


    I looked it up and most pasta ISN'T made with egg. The protein comes from the special flour that is used in pasta. Durum wheat apparently is high in protein. However - as WIll said, the protein in pasta isn't a good source of protein....



    For Will:

    "The only complete protein is animal protein such as meat, fish, eggs and dairy products.

    The protein in beans, peas, lentils and nuts is mostly incomplete protein as it is low in the essential amino acid methionine and the protein in pasta, bread, cereals and rice is mostly incomplete protein as it is low in the essential amino acid lysine. To get complete vegetable protein you need to combine the above lysine deficient foods with the above methionine deficient foods and this is known as protein complementing.

    Complete protein requires adequate amounts of all the 8 essential amino acids that make up complete protein and these include lysine and methionine."
  • Stuntman
    Stuntman Posts: 267
    I would probably say... try them out. recommendation for intake is a recovery drink/shake immediately after exercise(within 20 minutes) and then a carb based meal within 45(65% carb).
    Test them after a hard session and gauge your feel the next day.

    I only rush to get the meal in 45 minutes after the tough sessions which has depleted energy from the muscles. My current riding is done at an easy pace so not neccessary but I make sure I eat within 1.5 hours after these sessions.

    I was using Mars milkshakes for about a year when I was gyming and biking a lot and they helped a lot. Milk and banana is GREAT recovery shake. There's enough protein in a pint and the potassium gets straight to the muscles to prevent cramps etc.
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  • hugo15
    hugo15 Posts: 1,101
    I have a banana and a mug of milk after a ride. Been doing this for a year or so now and it seems to make a difference.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    FWIW I remember seeing an interview with Arnold after one of his big bodybuilding wins.
    He was asked "How much milk do you drink each day?". He simply said "milk is for babies". Not that I particularly agree or disagree with him, but an interesting comment.
  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    dennisn wrote:
    FWIW I remember seeing an interview with Arnold after one of his big bodybuilding wins.
    He was asked "How much milk do you drink each day?". He simply said "milk is for babies". Not that I particularly agree or disagree with him, but an interesting comment.

    Steak, eggs and steroids are much better.
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  • Stuntman
    Stuntman Posts: 267
    dennisn wrote:
    FWIW I remember seeing an interview with Arnold after one of his big bodybuilding wins.
    He was asked "How much milk do you drink each day?". He simply said "milk is for babies". Not that I particularly agree or disagree with him, but an interesting comment.

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  • birdy247
    birdy247 Posts: 454
    Sometimes I jog into work and the only protein source readily availible is milk. The coffee machine does a good hot chocolate (with milk). Would this make a good recovery drink? Sugar and protein?
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  • Velonutter
    Velonutter Posts: 2,437
    I'm a lacto vegetarian and have tried Rego, High 5 Protein Recovery, FGS and Zip Vits disgusting protein recovery, but I have to admit, on too many occasions now when I have had milk and eggs that I am surprisingly recovered better than with a proprietary make of drink.

    Indeed Carnivores do have a wider choice of food for protein, but with food like Quorn and other similar foods, you can recover just as well.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    ^--- eat meat. Being vegetarian is sooooo 2009 8)
  • Rapha
    Rapha Posts: 86
    birdy247 wrote:
    Sometimes I jog into work and the only protein source readily availible is milk. The coffee machine does a good hot chocolate (with milk). Would this make a good recovery drink? Sugar and protein?

    Why don't you take some protein recovery to work for the days you jog into work? Try and go with something that has whey protein to get the full amino acids range in. I prefer the ones that mix with milk because they taste so much better.

    Tried the FGS powder a few weeks back and it was really disgusting so wouldn't recommend that
  • Velonutter
    Velonutter Posts: 2,437
    Pokerface wrote:
    ^--- eat meat. Being vegetarian is sooooo 2009 8)

    Try so 1984, 1985, 1986.......etc. :lol: 8)

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