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WooliferkinsWooliferkins Posts: 2,060
edited December 2010 in The bottom bracket
Has he done enough or will the perennial champion jockey get it?

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  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    I don't think Cavendish is even in the running personally.

    i think it will be Haye and McCoy, with possibly Jessica Ennis and Phil Taylor up there.

    That is what I think it will be not what I think it should be, nor what I want it to be
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  • ProssPross Posts: 23,933
    ^ +1 Cav won't be in the top 3.
  • I didn't get the feeling that Hayes had got the "family vote" that previous boxers had.
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  • rc856rc856 Posts: 1,139
    As above.
    Think it'll be Ennis...who I like...just don't think it'll be Cav because....it's cycling!
    If he was in it, where did Chris Hoy come after winning Olympic golds?
    Even when Cav wins the green jersey next year, he won't win.
    I'd be surprised if a British TdF winner would even win it :(
  • Smokin JoeSmokin Joe Posts: 5,669
    Only cyclists are going to vote for Cav on his TdF performances. Stage wins in a sport they don't really get mean nothing to the general public, especially as he finished the race well outside the top hundred.

    Who cares? SPOTY is a load of censored anyway, ask 100 people who won last year and you would be lucky to find five who could tell you. And I would not be one of them.
  • rc856 wrote:
    where did Chris Hoy come after winning Olympic golds?

    Erm he won it in 2008
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  • Stu TStu T Posts: 127
    rc856 wrote:
    As above.
    Think it'll be Ennis...who I like...just don't think it'll be Cav because....it's cycling!
    If he was in it, where did Chris Hoy come after winning Olympic golds?
    Even when Cav wins the green jersey next year, he won't win.
    I'd be surprised if a British TdF winner would even win it :(

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  • pneumaticpneumatic Posts: 1,989
    Cavendish's Harvey Smith impersonation will not have helped either. The BEEB are still pretty Corinthian in their morals when it comes to choosing a SPOTY.

    Personally, I am surprised that Ann Widdecombe didn't make the shortlist! :roll: :roll:

    I never watch it anyway. Sue Barker makes me cringe.


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  • Who cares? SPOTY is a load of censored anyway, ask 100 people who won last year and you would be lucky to find five who could tell you. And I would not be one of them.

    Ryan Giggs (god only knows why)

    England football team manager (Italian with the glasses, you can see I pay a lot of attention to football)

    I reckon they only won to try and boost moral before the World cup this year ... oops. I love it when we do c**p at our supposed national business ... sorry I mean sport.
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  • rc856rc856 Posts: 1,139
    rc856 wrote:
    where did Chris Hoy come after winning Olympic golds?

    Erm he won it in 2008

    :) Yeah....a quick post Google check revealed that!
    That's the problem with it. Even after winning gold(s), due to the way it goes, I didn't immediately think 'he must've won'.
  • Ryan Giggs (god only knows why)

    Because all the Man. Utd. fans voted for him - bloody southerenrs!
  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    pneumatic wrote:
    Cavendish's Harvey Smith impersonation will not have helped either. The BEEB are still pretty Corinthian in their morals when it comes to choosing a SPOTY.

    .....

    Erm its a public vote, not the BBC who decide it
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  • beverickbeverick Posts: 3,461
    I think this year's vote is perhaps more open than in previous years.

    I think that David Haye will win it on the personality front if not on sporting achievement (I'd have fancied my chances against Harrison!).

    Personally, I'd like to see Jess Ennis win it. She's added world indoor championship gold to the gold at the 2009 outdoor world championship (and set a new world record in the process). She added European championship gold (again in a new championship record) and set a number of other records.

    I think that McCoy and the golfers may split the rest of the vote.

    A good showing at the forthcoming 2nd test may see Swann take the title from under Haye's nose.

    Cavendish will trail in low in the order and I think on merit. On this year's performance, I'm surprised he's even in the top 10.

    Bob
  • Its all rigged. The beeb normally give the award to sports it has rights to cover. So its either boxing or golf. Remember zara phillips getting the award when ricky hatton and joe calzaghe were clearly the faves. I hope the jockey wins it cos small people...

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  • Lot of golfers around out there. I'd reckon Lee Westwood would get votes for becoming World No.1 and a good showing in the Ryder Cup
  • Stu TStu T Posts: 127
    beverick wrote:
    I think this year's vote is perhaps more open than in previous years.


    Cavendish will trail in low in the order and I think on merit. On this year's performance, I'm surprised he's even in the top 10.

    Bob


    yeah 5 stages wins at the tour with a depleted lead out train and Green at the Veulta, useless isn't he should give up now
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 50,119 Lives Here
    Stu T wrote:
    beverick wrote:
    I think this year's vote is perhaps more open than in previous years.


    Cavendish will trail in low in the order and I think on merit. On this year's performance, I'm surprised he's even in the top 10.

    Bob


    yeah 5 stages wins at the tour with a depleted lead out train and Green at the Veulta, useless isn't he should give up now

    His 2009 was much better.
  • Graham Macdonald is a more worthy choice that westwood in golfing terms this year. Both probably will be part of team of the year though for the ryder cup
  • pneumaticpneumatic Posts: 1,989
    spen666 wrote:
    pneumatic wrote:
    Cavendish's Harvey Smith impersonation will not have helped either. The BEEB are still pretty Corinthian in their morals when it comes to choosing a SPOTY.

    .....

    Erm its a public vote, not the BBC who decide it

    That'll be the same public that you see in massed ranks behind Sue Barker on Question of Sport. Pringle sweaters, all and a jolly laugh. Small boys in the park.. Jumpers for goal posts.. nineteen sixty six... birdie at the par five.. rugger scrums.. stiff upper lip... that boy Cavendish needs to be taught some manners, what?

    [/unforgivealblesocialstereotyping rant] :wink::wink: :oops:


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  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Its all rigged. The beeb normally give the award to sports it has rights to cover. So its either boxing or golf. Remember zara phillips getting the award when ricky hatton and joe calzaghe were clearly the faves. I hope the jockey wins it cos small people......

    alternatively, it could be because more people voted for Zara Phillips


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  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    past winners
    2009 – Year 56
    1st – Ryan Giggs (football)
    2nd – Jenson Button (motor racing)
    3rd – Jessica Ennis (athletics)

    2008 – Year 55
    1st – Chris Hoy (cycling)
    2nd – Lewis Hamilton (motor racing)
    3rd – Rebecca Adlington (swimming)

    2007 – Year 54
    1st – Joe Calzaghe (boxing)
    2nd – Lewis Hamilton (motor racing)
    3rd – Ricky Hatton (boxing)

    2006 – Year 53
    1st – Zara Phillips (equestrian)
    2nd – Darren Clarke (golf)
    3rd – Beth Tweddle (gymnastics)

    2005 – Year 52
    1st – Andrew Flintoff (cricket)
    2nd – Ellen MacArthur (sailing)
    3rd – Steven Gerrard (football)

    2004 – Year 51
    1st – Kelly Holmes (athletics)
    2nd – Matthew Pinsent (rowing)
    3rd – Andrew Flintoff (cricket)

    2003 – Year 50
    1st – Jonny Wilkinson (rugby)
    2nd – Martin Johnson (rugby)
    3rd – Paula Radcliffe (athletics)

    2002 – Year 49
    1st – Paula Radcliffe (athletics)
    2nd – David Beckham (football)
    3rd – Tony McCoy (horse racing)

    2001 – Year 48
    1st – David Beckham (football)
    2nd – Ellen MacArthur (sailing)
    3rd – Michael Owen (football)

    2000 – Year 47
    1st – Steve Redgrave (rowing)
    2nd – Denise Lewis (athletics)
    3rd – Tanni Grey-Thompson (wheelchair athletics)

    1999 – Year 46
    1st – Lennox Lewis (boxing)
    2nd – David Beckham (football)
    3rd – Colin Jackson (athletics)

    1998 – Year 45
    1st – Michael Owen (football)
    2nd – Denise Lewis (athletics)
    3rd – Ewan Thomas (athletics)

    1997 – Year 44
    1st – Greg Rusedski (tennis)
    2nd – Tim Henman (tennis)
    3rd – Steve Redgrave (rowing)

    1996 – Year 43
    1st – Damon Hill (motor racing)
    2nd – Steve Redgrave (rowing)
    3rd – Frankie Detorri (horse racing)

    1995 – Year 42
    1st – Jonathan Edwards (athletics)
    2nd – Frank Bruno (boxing)
    3rd – Colin McRae (rallying)

    1994 – Year 41
    1st – Damon Hill (motor sport)
    2nd – Sally Gunnell (athletics)
    3rd – Colin Jackson (athletics)

    1993 – Year 40
    1st – Linford Christie (athletics)
    2nd – Sally Gunnell (athletics)
    3rd – Nigel Mansell (motor racing)

    1992 – Year 39
    1st – Nigel Mansell (motor racing)
    2nd – Linford Christie (athletics)
    3rd – Sally Gunnell (athletics)

    1991 – Year 38
    1st – Liz McColgan (athletics)
    2nd – Will Carling (rugby union)
    3rd – Gary Lineker (football)

    1990 – Year 37
    1st – Paul Gascoigne (football)
    2nd – Stephen Hendry (snooker)
    3rd – Graham Gooch (cricket)

    1989 – Year 36
    1st – Nick Faldo (golf)
    2nd – Frank Bruno (boxing)
    3rd – Steve Davis (snooker)

    1988 – Year 35
    1st – Steve Davis (snooker)
    2nd – Adrian Moorhouse (swimming)
    3rd – Sandy Lyle (golf)

    1987 – Year 34
    1st – Fatima Whitbread (athletics)
    2nd – Steve Davis (snooker)
    3rd – Ian Woosnam (golf)

    1986 – Year 33
    1st – Nigel Mansell (motor racing)
    2nd – Fatima Whitbread (athletics)
    3rd – Kenny Dalglish (football)

    1985 – Year 32
    1st – Barry McGuigan (boxing)
    2nd – Ian Botham (cricket)
    3rd – Steve Cram (athletics)

    1984 – Year 31
    1st – Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean (ice skating)
    2nd – Seb Coe (athletics)
    3rd – Steve Davis (snooker)

    1983 – Year 30
    1st – Steve Cram (athletics)
    2nd – Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean (ice skating)
    3rd – Daley Thompson (athletics)

    1982 – Year 29
    1st – Daley Thompson (athletics)
    2nd – Alex Higgins (snooker)
    3rd – Steve Cram (athletics)

    1981 – Year 28
    1st – Ian Botham (cricket)
    2nd – Steve Davis (snooker)
    3rd – Sebastian Coe (athletics)

    1980 – Year 27
    1st – Robin Cousins (ice skating)
    2nd – Sebastian Coe (athletics)
    3rd – Daley Thompson (athletics)

    1979 – Year 26
    1st – Sebastian Coe (athletics)
    2nd – Ian Botham (cricket)
    3rd – Kevin Keegan (football)

    1978 – Year 25
    1st – Steve Ovett (athletics)
    2nd – Daley Thompson (athletics)
    3rd – Ian Botham (cricket)

    1977 – Year 24
    1st – Virginia Wade (tennis)
    2nd – Geoff Boycott (cricket)
    3rd – Barry Sheene (motor cycling)

    1976 – Year 23
    1st – John Curry (ice skating)
    2nd – James Hunt (motor racing)
    3rd – David Wilkie (swimming)

    1975 – Year 22
    1st – David Steele (cricket)
    2nd – Alan Pascoe (athletics)
    3rd – David Wilkie (swimming)

    1974 – Year 21
    1st – Brendan Foster (athletics)
    2nd – John Conteh (boxing)
    3rd – Willie John McBride (rugby union)

    1973 – Year 20
    1st – Jackie Stewart (motor racing)
    2nd – Roger Taylor (tennis)
    3rd – Paddy McMahon (showjumping)

    1972 – Year 19
    1st – Mary Peters (athletics)
    2nd – Gordon Banks (football)
    3rd – Richard Meade (equestrian)

    1971 – Year 18
    1st – Princess Anne (equestrian)
    2nd – George Best (football)
    3rd – Barry John (rugby union)

    1970 – Year 17
    1st – Henry Cooper (boxing)
    2nd – Tony Jacklin (golf)
    3rd – Bobby Moore (football)

    1969 – Year 16
    1st – Ann Jones (tennis)
    2nd – Tony Jacklin (golf)
    3rd – George Best (football)

    1968 – Year 15
    1st – David Hemery (athletics)
    2nd – Graham Hill (motor racing)
    3rd – Marion Coakes (showjumping)

    1967 – Year 14
    1st – Henry Cooper (boxing)
    2nd – Beryl Burton (cycling)
    3rd – Harvey Smith (showjumping)

    1966 – Year 13
    1st – Bobby Moore (football)
    2nd – Barry Briggs (speedway)
    3rd – Geoff Hurst (football)

    1965 – Year 12
    1st – Tommy Simpson (cycling)
    2nd – Jim Clark (motor racing)
    3rd – Marion Coakes (equestrian)

    1964 – Year 11
    1st – Mary Rand (athletics)
    2nd – Barry Briggs (speedway)
    3rd – Ann Packer (athletics)

    1963 – Year ten
    1st – Dorothy Hyman (athletics)
    2nd – Bobby McGregor (swimming)
    3rd – Jim Clark (motor racing)

    1962 – Year nine
    1st – Anita Lonsbrough (swimming)
    2nd – Dorothy Hyman (athletics)
    3rd – Linda Ludgrove (swimming)

    1961 – Year eight
    1st – Stirling Moss (motor racing)
    2nd – Billy Walker (boxing)
    3rd – Angela Mortimer (tennis)

    1960 – Year seven
    1st – David Broome (showjumping)
    2nd – Don Thompson (athletics)
    3rd – Anita Lonsbrough (swimming)

    1959 – Year six
    1st – John Surtees (motor cycling)
    2nd – Bobby Charlton (football)
    3rd – Ian Black (swimming)

    1958 – Year five
    1st – Ian Black (swimming)
    2nd – Bobby Charlton (football)
    3rd – Nat Lofthouse (football)

    1957 – Year four
    1st – Dai Rees (golf)
    (no record of the 2nd and 3rd place winners survives)

    1956 – Year three
    1st – Jim Laker (cricket)
    (no record of the 2nd and 3rd place winners survives)

    1955 – Year two
    1st – Gordon Pirie (athletics)
    (no record of the 2nd and 3rd place winners survives)

    1954 – Year one
    1st – Chris Chataway (athletics)
    2nd – Roger Bannister (athletics)
    3rd – Pat Smythe (equestrian)


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  • Ah but for the conspiracy theorists there is always the 1991 Bob Nudd incident. Ah the innocence of pre mass internet access.
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  • LucanLucan Posts: 336
    Does the "Sports Personality of the Year" award have anything to do with personality?

    Or is it really "Sports Person of the Year"?

    I would rather stick pins in my eyes than watch it.
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  • ProssPross Posts: 23,933
    spen666 wrote:
    Its all rigged. The beeb normally give the award to sports it has rights to cover. So its either boxing or golf. Remember zara phillips getting the award when ricky hatton and joe calzaghe were clearly the faves. I hope the jockey wins it cos small people......

    alternatively, it could be because more people voted for Zara Phillips


    You accuse the BBC of fraud- do you have any evidence of this or is it just an allegation without evidence?

    Terrible isn't it? The way the BBC gave the award away to an undeserving person (who just happened to win gold in the European and World championships) just because they cover a bit of eventing. I think it may also be because she is a royal. I mean, it's the horse that does all the work - it's not as if the rider needs skill, courage, stamina, an element of strength or any other form of athletic or sporting prowess to just sit on 500kg of muscle as it jumps solid obstacles over 5 feet high. :wink:
  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Ah but for the conspiracy theorists there is always the 1991 Bob Nudd incident. Ah the innocence of pre mass internet access.

    Ahh but its not a sport in the same way that darts, snooker etc are not sports

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  • beverickbeverick Posts: 3,461
    Its all rigged. The beeb normally give the award to sports it has rights to cover. So its either boxing or golf. Remember zara phillips getting the award when ricky hatton and joe calzaghe were clearly the faves. I hope the jockey wins it cos small people...

    The BBC have not televised professional boxing for a number of years.

    Tony McCoys a NH jockey so, without looking, he's unlikley to be small - almost certainly taller then Cav.
    Stu T wrote:
    beverick wrote:
    I think this year's vote is perhaps more open than in previous years.

    Cavendish will trail in low in the order and I think on merit. On this year's performance, I'm surprised he's even in the top 10.

    Bob

    yeah 5 stages wins at the tour with a depleted lead out train and Green at the Veulta, useless isn't he should give up now

    I'm not sure why you say he's useless but compared to world champions and record holders I can't understand why he's even in the running.

    I wouldn't have expected either Lewis Hamilton or Jensen Button to be in the top 10 for winning the odd F1 race and leading the championship for a while which effectively is what Cavendish has done this year.

    Bob
  • AndyF16AndyF16 Posts: 560
    His 2009 was much better.

    Yeah, his early stuff was far better, I much prefer it :wink:
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  • Stu TStu T Posts: 127
    beverick wrote:
    Its all rigged. The beeb normally give the award to sports it has rights to cover. So its either boxing or golf. Remember zara phillips getting the award when ricky hatton and joe calzaghe were clearly the faves. I hope the jockey wins it cos small people...

    The BBC have not televised professional boxing for a number of years.

    Tony McCoys a NH jockey so, without looking, he's unlikley to be small - almost certainly taller then Cav.
    Stu T wrote:
    beverick wrote:
    I think this year's vote is perhaps more open than in previous years.

    Cavendish will trail in low in the order and I think on merit. On this year's performance, I'm surprised he's even in the top 10.

    Bob

    yeah 5 stages wins at the tour with a depleted lead out train and Green at the Veulta, useless isn't he should give up now

    I'm not sure why you say he's useless but compared to world champions and record holders I can't understand why he's even in the running.

    I wouldn't have expected either Lewis Hamilton or Jensen Button to be in the top 10 for winning the odd F1 race and leading the championship for a while which effectively is what Cavendish has done this year.

    Bob

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    I also think the first jersey won by a Brit in a grand tour for 20 odd years is maybe a little important.
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  • tailwindhometailwindhome Posts: 15,305
    Cavendish didn't win the Tour De France or an Olympic medal ...that puts him nowhere in the minds of the voting public.

    Graeme MacDowell for me all the way.

    First European US open winner for 40 years, won the Ryder Cup and followed up with a win and series of good results to put him in the World Top 10.

    He's also a really genuine nice guy.
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 23,970
    Cavendish didn't win the Tour De France or an Olympic medal ...that puts him nowhere in the minds of the voting public.

    I wouldn't be so sure. These are the current standings on the poll on the Guardian website:

    polls.jpg

    (I realise Guardian readers aren't representative of the general public as a whole)

    He has one disadvantage though. Darts fans will vote for Taylor, racing fans will vote for McCoy, but cycling fans will point out that Cav hasn't won a monument this year so he doesn't deserve it and complain about the absence of Emma Pooley.
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