Last Clean TdF Winner
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dulldave wrote:At the 2008 tour ASO had a fairly ruthless approach to chasing dopers. If that had continued we might not have a 78 page thread about the winner of the 2009/10 Tours testing positive.
I agree. Very briefly (07 & 08 ) ASO and AFLD took testing seriously. This year contador was caught through luck and a small slip up in a large doping regime. Of course I could be wrong and overly cynical and FF may be right but I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it....0 -
frenchfighter wrote:
In answer to the OP, Contador.
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Lemond Did It
Wiggo would have,when you look at the three above him in'09so many cols,so little time!0 -
nick hanson wrote:Lemond Did It
Wiggo would have,when you look at the three above him in'09
+1I wear Lycra because I like the way it feels0 -
Lemond may have been the ONLY clean winner. Doping wasn't invented in the 90s and I struggle to think of a previous winner with the moral fibre to just say no. Sastre puzzles me; 2008 may have been natural, but only after years of fun.
Last winner who only indulged in Mr Chase's light grey doping? Probably Delgado and his homemade roids and speedballs recipes.
Indurain, Riis, Ulrich, Pantani, Armstrong, Perreiro, Contador, Schleck (need to count him as a winner now), I would put in the blacker than black full throttle doping programme.
But what do I know have I had a BEER with them? So HOW can I judge?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
Timoid. wrote:Lemond may have been the ONLY clean winner. Doping wasn't invented in the 90s and I struggle to think of a previous winner with the moral fibre to just say no; Sastre puzzles me. 2008 may have been natural, but only after years of fun.
Last winner who only indulged in Mr Chase's light grey doping? Probably Delgado and his homemade roids and speedballs recipes.
Indurain, Riis, Ulrich, Pantani, Armstrong, Perreiro, Contador, Schleck (need to count him as a winner now), I would put in the blacker than black full throttle doping programme.
But what do I know have I had a BEER with them? So HOW can I judge?
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TheYorkshireMan wrote:izza wrote:With Armstrong and Landis continually getting their pharmacists' handbags out all the time and Contador's beefgate saga just beginning, who is the last winner of the TdF that people honestly believe was clean?
Indurain?
Ask a Kidney Dialysis patient what is involved. 4 hours is it. ?????
Since Bjarne Riis made such a transformation, I can almost believe anything in this 21st century.
I have question marks on both Sastre and Contador by the fact of the company they have lived with but this present Beef Bull Sh*t is not an agenda IMO.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Timoid. wrote:But what do I know have I had a BEER with them? So HOW can I judge?
Where is he? C'mon Dennisn... make some noise.
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ratsbeyfus wrote:
Where is he? C'mon Dennisn... make some noise.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.0
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deejay wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:
Where is he? C'mon Dennisn... make some noise.
I'll drink to that! Happy Thanksgiving fellow BR forumites.
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Tusher wrote:Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.
Contador came very close to death (aneurysm, Tour of Asturias 2004) and currently has daily medication to prevent epiletic fits.The internal scar left in his head makes that area of his brain so hypersensitive that he often has epileptic fits. Contador takes medication daily to prevent those fits, and pays regular visits to the neurologistPedro Celaya, the doctor at his past team Discovery reported that as he remembers, Contador was absolutely obsessed with not doing anything strange about his health.
The above, to whomever it related, would make me doubt very highly that this person has taken drugs.
There is video of that terrible incident, at 2.45. I warn people that it is unpleasant viewing:
http://nos.nl/video/169533-indrukwekken ... tador.html
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frenchfighter wrote:
The above, to whomever it related, would make me doubt very highly that this person has taken drugs.
This is an argument that's often used for Armstrong. "He's had cancer, he'd not mess around with his health"Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:frenchfighter wrote:
The above, to whomever it related, would make me doubt very highly that this person has taken drugs.
This is an argument that's often used for Armstrong. "He's had cancer, he'd not mess around with his health"
Indeed, I can't believe FF wrote that with a straight face.
I also note he didn't respond to my point about the fact that CLEN is not the only thing that Contador is alleged to have used. Fingers in the ears time...na na na na na!"I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
deejay wrote:I cannot see Indurain having the need to lay on a bed for a couple of hours to change his blood or any of the others before him.
Ask a Kidney Dialysis patient what is involved. 4 hours is it. ?????
Since Bjarne Riis made such a transformation, I can almost believe anything in this 21st century.
I have question marks on both Sastre and Contador by the fact of the company they have lived with but this present Beef Bull Sh*t is not an agenda IMO.
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12548672
Ps. Is it really true that clenbuterol is a lightweight doping product. Wouldn't losing a couple of kilos whilst maintaining muscle mass give a climber a big advantage and isn' this was clenbuterol does?0 -
Tusher wrote:Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.
Citing the Spanish peleton for a character reference doesn't exactly fill one with confidence does it?0 -
As I can think of no other reasonable way to define doping than whatever is banned by sports authorities at a particular moment, and the UCI did not have regulations for banning some performance enhancing substances until after the 1966 season, I'd say the last TdF winner I believe without a doubt to be clean was Lucien Aimar.0
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ratsbeyfus wrote:Even Pantani who probably had more smack in him than the Happy Monday's tour bus
Now thats the best I've ever heard that puteating parmos since 1981
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Why is it Hinault almost never gets a mention in a doping thread? Was he clean, or is everyone just too scared of the man to suggest otherwise?0
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Cal_Stewart wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:Even Pantani who probably had more smack in him than the Happy Monday's tour bus
Now thats the best I've ever heard that put
Except smack is heroin and Marco was on the gak.
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Cal_Stewart wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:Even Pantani who probably had more smack in him than the Happy Monday's tour bus
Now thats the best I've ever heard that put
Except smack is heroin and Marco was on the gak.
You and your facts are not welcome here.
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Tusher wrote:Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.
Yeah and I'm known up here in Scotland for being generous with my moneyScottish and British...and a bit French0 -
izza wrote:With Armstrong and Landis continually getting their pharmacists' handbags out all the time and Contador's beefgate saga just beginning, who is the last winner of the TdF that people honestly believe was clean?
Indurain?
Interesting question..
I was talking to a Cat 1/Elite rider friend of mine the other day who has raced on the continent, and we were talking drugs..and he reckoned 2 of the only clean winners were Sastre and Indurain.0 -
Just because he's a cat 1 obviously doesn't stop him from being naive0
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Tusher wrote:Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.
Doesn't the fact that one Spanish rider has the nickname 'Mr Clean' indicate just how f@cked up the doping situation is in Spain. (It would be like all the Scottish Footballers getting togerther and calling one of their own 'Mr Talent'.) Even more worrying is that there are question marks over the actual cleanliness of this 'Mr Clean'. I truly hope that Sastre was/is clean, but I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.0 -
ShinyHelmut wrote:Just because he's a cat 1 obviously doesn't stop him from being naive
Oh for crying out loud.
It's just an opinion and no-one will know for sure who has or hasn't cheated. I only mentioned it because he's probably a little closer to the sport than a lot of posters on here and I for one wsd very interested in his opinion.
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Clean ?
I don't think any of 'em had a shower after a race....................
But my monies on Lemond (the real reason he quit was because of EPO).0 -
DaveyL wrote:sampras38 wrote:I was talking to a Cat 1/Elite rider friend of mine the other day who has raced on the continent, and we were talking drugs..and he reckoned 2 of the only clean winners were Sastre and Indurain.
*Hoots with laughter*
What, Indurain or both?
Personally I think they've all dabbled but hey ho.0