Last Clean TdF Winner

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  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    dulldave wrote:
    At the 2008 tour ASO had a fairly ruthless approach to chasing dopers. If that had continued we might not have a 78 page thread about the winner of the 2009/10 Tours testing positive.

    I agree. Very briefly (07 & 08 ) ASO and AFLD took testing seriously. This year contador was caught through luck and a small slip up in a large doping regime. Of course I could be wrong and overly cynical and FF may be right but I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it....
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    frenchfighter wrote:

    In answer to the OP, Contador.

    You get to an age where you think nothing will surprise you, but somehow there's always something or someone that will ;)
  • nick hanson
    nick hanson Posts: 1,655
    Lemond Did It
    Wiggo would have,when you look at the three above him in'09
    so many cols,so little time!
  • Stu T
    Stu T Posts: 127
    nick hanson wrote:
    Lemond Did It
    Wiggo would have,when you look at the three above him in'09

    +1
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    edited November 2010
    Lemond may have been the ONLY clean winner. Doping wasn't invented in the 90s and I struggle to think of a previous winner with the moral fibre to just say no. Sastre puzzles me; 2008 may have been natural, but only after years of fun.

    Last winner who only indulged in Mr Chase's light grey doping? Probably Delgado and his homemade roids and speedballs recipes.

    Indurain, Riis, Ulrich, Pantani, Armstrong, Perreiro, Contador, Schleck (need to count him as a winner now), I would put in the blacker than black full throttle doping programme.

    But what do I know have I had a BEER with them? So HOW can I judge?
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • Rodrego Hernandez
    Rodrego Hernandez Posts: 1,436
    Timoid. wrote:
    Lemond may have been the ONLY clean winner. Doping wasn't invented in the 90s and I struggle to think of a previous winner with the moral fibre to just say no; Sastre puzzles me. 2008 may have been natural, but only after years of fun.

    Last winner who only indulged in Mr Chase's light grey doping? Probably Delgado and his homemade roids and speedballs recipes.

    Indurain, Riis, Ulrich, Pantani, Armstrong, Perreiro, Contador, Schleck (need to count him as a winner now), I would put in the blacker than black full throttle doping programme.

    But what do I know have I had a BEER with them? So HOW can I judge?

    :lol: hilarious!!!!
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    TheYorkshireMan wrote:
    izza wrote:
    With Armstrong and Landis continually getting their pharmacists' handbags out all the time and Contador's beefgate saga just beginning, who is the last winner of the TdF that people honestly believe was clean?

    Indurain?

    :lol::lol::lol:
    I cannot see Indurain having the need to lay on a bed for a couple of hours to change his blood or any of the others before him.
    Ask a Kidney Dialysis patient what is involved. 4 hours is it. ?????
    Since Bjarne Riis made such a transformation, I can almost believe anything in this 21st century.

    I have question marks on both Sastre and Contador by the fact of the company they have lived with but this present Beef Bull Sh*t is not an agenda IMO.
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    Timoid. wrote:
    But what do I know have I had a BEER with them? So HOW can I judge?

    :D

    Where is he? C'mon Dennisn... make some noise.

    http://www.didtheydie.com/morgue/denis_norden.html

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    ratsbeyfus wrote:

    Where is he? C'mon Dennisn... make some noise.
    It's called Happy Holidays and then he will be back. :roll:
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    deejay wrote:
    ratsbeyfus wrote:

    Where is he? C'mon Dennisn... make some noise.
    It's called Happy Holidays and then he will be back. :roll:

    I'll drink to that! Happy Thanksgiving fellow BR forumites.

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    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Tusher wrote:
    Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.

    Contador came very close to death (aneurysm, Tour of Asturias 2004) and currently has daily medication to prevent epiletic fits.
    The internal scar left in his head makes that area of his brain so hypersensitive that he often has epileptic fits. Contador takes medication daily to prevent those fits, and pays regular visits to the neurologist
    Pedro Celaya, the doctor at his past team Discovery reported that as he remembers, Contador was absolutely obsessed with not doing anything strange about his health.

    The above, to whomever it related, would make me doubt very highly that this person has taken drugs.

    There is video of that terrible incident, at 2.45. I warn people that it is unpleasant viewing:
    http://nos.nl/video/169533-indrukwekken ... tador.html

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:

    The above, to whomever it related, would make me doubt very highly that this person has taken drugs.

    This is an argument that's often used for Armstrong. "He's had cancer, he'd not mess around with his health"
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    iainf72 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:

    The above, to whomever it related, would make me doubt very highly that this person has taken drugs.

    This is an argument that's often used for Armstrong. "He's had cancer, he'd not mess around with his health"

    Indeed, I can't believe FF wrote that with a straight face.

    I also note he didn't respond to my point about the fact that CLEN is not the only thing that Contador is alleged to have used. Fingers in the ears time...na na na na na!
    "I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)
  • TheYorkshireMan
    TheYorkshireMan Posts: 92
    deejay wrote:
    I cannot see Indurain having the need to lay on a bed for a couple of hours to change his blood or any of the others before him.
    Ask a Kidney Dialysis patient what is involved. 4 hours is it. ?????
    Since Bjarne Riis made such a transformation, I can almost believe anything in this 21st century.

    I have question marks on both Sastre and Contador by the fact of the company they have lived with but this present Beef Bull Sh*t is not an agenda IMO.
    Why would Indurian have to resort to blood doping when there was no Epo test until after he had retired. Anyhow it seems this is old ground

    http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12548672

    Ps. Is it really true that clenbuterol is a lightweight doping product. Wouldn't losing a couple of kilos whilst maintaining muscle mass give a climber a big advantage and isn' this was clenbuterol does?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    Tusher wrote:
    Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.

    Citing the Spanish peleton for a character reference doesn't exactly fill one with confidence does it?
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    As I can think of no other reasonable way to define doping than whatever is banned by sports authorities at a particular moment, and the UCI did not have regulations for banning some performance enhancing substances until after the 1966 season, I'd say the last TdF winner I believe without a doubt to be clean was Lucien Aimar.
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    Even Pantani who probably had more smack in him than the Happy Monday's tour bus

    Now thats the best I've ever heard that put
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  • ju5t1n
    ju5t1n Posts: 2,028
    Why is it Hinault almost never gets a mention in a doping thread? Was he clean, or is everyone just too scared of the man to suggest otherwise?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Cal_Stewart wrote:
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    Even Pantani who probably had more smack in him than the Happy Monday's tour bus

    Now thats the best I've ever heard that put

    Except smack is heroin and Marco was on the gak.

    :wink:
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    iainf72 wrote:
    Cal_Stewart wrote:
    ratsbeyfus wrote:
    Even Pantani who probably had more smack in him than the Happy Monday's tour bus

    Now thats the best I've ever heard that put

    Except smack is heroin and Marco was on the gak.

    :wink:

    You and your facts are not welcome here.

    :)

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    Tusher wrote:
    Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.

    Yeah and I'm known up here in Scotland for being generous with my money :D
    Scottish and British...and a bit French
  • sampras38
    sampras38 Posts: 1,917
    izza wrote:
    With Armstrong and Landis continually getting their pharmacists' handbags out all the time and Contador's beefgate saga just beginning, who is the last winner of the TdF that people honestly believe was clean?

    Indurain?

    Interesting question..

    I was talking to a Cat 1/Elite rider friend of mine the other day who has raced on the continent, and we were talking drugs..and he reckoned 2 of the only clean winners were Sastre and Indurain.
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Just because he's a cat 1 obviously doesn't stop him from being naive
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    Tusher wrote:
    Sastre's Spanish nickname is 'Mr Clean', and that is his reputation within the Spanish peloton, who know a thing or three about doping. The death of Jiminez hit him very hard as they were not only brothers-in-law but also close friends.

    Doesn't the fact that one Spanish rider has the nickname 'Mr Clean' indicate just how f@cked up the doping situation is in Spain. (It would be like all the Scottish Footballers getting togerther and calling one of their own 'Mr Talent'.) Even more worrying is that there are question marks over the actual cleanliness of this 'Mr Clean'. I truly hope that Sastre was/is clean, but I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't.

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • sampras38
    sampras38 Posts: 1,917
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    Just because he's a cat 1 obviously doesn't stop him from being naive

    Oh for crying out loud.

    It's just an opinion and no-one will know for sure who has or hasn't cheated. I only mentioned it because he's probably a little closer to the sport than a lot of posters on here and I for one wsd very interested in his opinion.

    :roll:
  • itisaboutthebike
    itisaboutthebike Posts: 1,120
    Clean ?

    I don't think any of 'em had a shower after a race....................

    But my monies on Lemond (the real reason he quit was because of EPO).
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    sampras38 wrote:
    I was talking to a Cat 1/Elite rider friend of mine the other day who has raced on the continent, and we were talking drugs..and he reckoned 2 of the only clean winners were Sastre and Indurain.

    *Hoots with laughter*
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  • sampras38
    sampras38 Posts: 1,917
    DaveyL wrote:
    sampras38 wrote:
    I was talking to a Cat 1/Elite rider friend of mine the other day who has raced on the continent, and we were talking drugs..and he reckoned 2 of the only clean winners were Sastre and Indurain.

    *Hoots with laughter*

    What, Indurain or both?

    Personally I think they've all dabbled but hey ho.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    sampras38 wrote:
    What, Indurain or both?

    Personally I think they've all dabbled but hey ho.

    The guy weighed like 400kg's and suddenly managed to win a GT after working with Conconi by "losing some weight"
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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