what is a good time for a 20 mile 30 k ride

DCowling

Sounds like he is feeding his own ego at yopur expense

reacher

fair comment , but to be fair its working both ways , they guy has upped his game considerably since i started as i'm hitting his times an levals on the spin bikes that he was doing when i started , so its pushing me on in view of the fact that i'm totally new to this cycling lark ,
although he is good any way going on what you guys say , thats 24 mph or a bit under an its a fair old run , not many flat spots at all , an the ones their are are not very long ,
my rate of progress is faster than his though as i'm new to it , he will peak soon , an i wont , not for a while any way ,

KnightOfTheLongTights

Look at the Richmond Park x3 challenge thread - that is a 20-mile undulating course and you will see times from 50mins (very very good) to 55 mins (very good) to 60 mins (good).

But most cyclists going solo round RPx3 on Sat / Sun mornings are not beating 60 mins and are probably more up to the 65, even 70, mark. That is my perception anyway.

I am reasonably fit, but only been cycling three months, so am yet to develop power-endurance in my legs. I am struggling to get down to 60 mins, but I pass more often than I am passed.

reacher

the finish on this run is a 1 mile climb , i know this because i run it , and its steep , he did tell me the gradient but i cant remember it , should be a piece of cake i can tear up a hill like that on a run , got to be easy on a bike once you have trained a bit ,
20mph is the target any how , anything else is a bonus ,
he has to be doing 24 mph because of his times in the gym against what i'm doing , i'm pretty sure i could do 20 mph now first ride out since i changed the training after the last ride out to strenghen where i was weak ,

peejay78

if he's doing 24mph over an undulating course then he's on course for vets standard national level stuff on the flat.

speaking as a hillclimber and long 21 tester, i'm taking this with a pinch of salt. either it's not as undulating as he says or he's simply not as fast as he says.

i commute to work over a really lumpy piece of terrain; 900 ft of climbing over 14 miles. the quickest i've done, and that was on the TT bike, in the middle of a training block, was 24mph average speed. there was also a hefty tailwind.

so unless your friend is john woodburn, then i doubt he's doing 24mph. especially considering the '1 mile climb'.

that aside, keep aiming high, working hard, and in time those kinds of speeds should come.

dodgy

Map out the ride on www.mapmyride.com or www.ridewithgps.com or similar, and post it here. Then we'll know the exact details such as climbs, distance etc.
It's all a bit vague otherwise.

reacher

dodgy wrote:

Map out the ride on www.mapmyride.com or www.ridewithgps.com or similar, and post it here. Then we'll know the exact details such as climbs, distance etc.
It's all a bit vague otherwise.

will do asap , but your right one persons undulateing ride could be a easy one to some one else ,
and i'm genuinely interested in this ,

reacher

right i will need a bit of time to do this on line , how ever the route is from severn bridge in chepstow thats where he lives about a 1/4 mile from the start of the bridge on the welsh side , in south wales , to the round a bout at the top of the road which divides to caldicot , st arvans and chepstow , down into chepstow town , then A 48 to lydney an back to his house , i think its a bit under 20 miles but i cant be certain on a exact distance ,
i dont know if some one can put that in for me , or they may know the route ,
for all i know it may be a easy ride , i would certainly be interested in you guys opinions ,
all this training and i might end up doing a girly route lol

reacher

peejay78 wrote:

if he's doing 24mph over an undulating course then he's on course for vets standard national level stuff on the flat.

speaking as a hillclimber and long 21 tester, i'm taking this with a pinch of salt. either it's not as undulating as he says or he's simply not as fast as he says.

i commute to work over a really lumpy piece of terrain; 900 ft of climbing over 14 miles. the quickest i've done, and that was on the TT bike, in the middle of a training block, was 24mph average speed. there was also a hefty tailwind.

so unless your friend is john woodburn, then i doubt he's doing 24mph. especially considering the '1 mile climb'.

that aside, keep aiming high, working hard, and in time those kinds of speeds should come.

i dont know as i'v no experiance of rides or whats hard or easy , i dont think he is saying its a massive undulating course or anything just thats the one he picked to race on , its all tongue in cheek realy he is just encouraging me to get out on a bike , an thats his time and he said have a go at it ,

ShutUpLegs

reacher wrote:

right i will need a bit of time to do this on line , how ever the route is from severn bridge in chepstow thats where he lives about a 1/4 mile from the start of the bridge on the welsh side , in south wales , to the round a bout at the top of the road which divides to caldicot , st arvans and chepstow , down into chepstow town , then A 48 to lydney an back to his house , i think its a bit under 20 miles but i cant be certain on a exact distance ,
i dont know if some one can put that in for me , or they may know the route ,
for all i know it may be a easy ride , i would certainly be interested in you guys opinions ,
all this training and i might end up doing a girly route lol

that must be the flattest stretch of road in the world

niblue

peejay78 wrote:

if he's doing 24mph over an undulating course then he's on course for vets standard national level stuff on the flat.

Until I've seen a Garmin trace of it then to me it never happened!

Garz

Anyone for pork pies?

s25scd

I wouldnt bother too much on the time you get for a 20 miler, sure 60 mins is a good time, what you need to be doing is concentrate on the quality, volume , and intensity of your workout not blasting round trying to beat a previous time every other day or so and then getting dissheartened when you are a couple of seconds out. If you have good training plan, follow it for a while then try your 20 miler.

reacher

three differant answers ,
flat stretch of road , is it ?, i'v no idea what cyclists call flat , it do'snt look flat when your on it ???
time for 60 minutes ? , to go from nothing , not haveing had a bike to doing 20 mph is the object of the exercise , excuse the pun fellas , and doing it all in the gym , so a distance was needed , or are you saying that a 20 mile ride on a course is not a stiff enough test ?
no chance of getting disheartened , the objective of any training is targets , without targets it becomes an activity ,
why would it be called pork pies ?
i dont understand , its a post asking for opionions on what would be a good time over a 20 mile course ?
the rest is a test for me , not to impress a forum , i'm lost on that one , but i see your point in that any one could post anything , so in that respect its a valid point ,
the idea is to do 20 mph first time out after a couple of rides , if the course is not considered hard enough i will put in more hills ,
i can only relay the information as he tells me , i'm almost certain i could do this course at 20 mph now myself an i have 8 or 9 weeks to go , looking at his levals in the gym i would say he could do 24 mph on it ,
the rest holds no interest for me at the moment ,, churning around doing 3 hour leisure rides is not training in my particular case or benificial for me at this stage in what i'm looking to do

dodgy

reacher wrote:

right i will need a bit of time to do this on line , how ever the route is from severn bridge in chepstow thats where he lives about a 1/4 mile from the start of the bridge on the welsh side , in south wales , to the round a bout at the top of the road which divides to caldicot , st arvans and chepstow , down into chepstow town , then A 48 to lydney an back to his house , i think its a bit under 20 miles but i cant be certain on a exact distance ,
i dont know if some one can put that in for me , or they may know the route ,
for all i know it may be a easy ride , i would certainly be interested in you guys opinions ,
all this training and i might end up doing a girly route lol

You say yoiu will need a bit of time to do this online. Seriously, it's about a 60 second job if that, much quicker than typing out the above post and the one that followed it

Ron Stuart

This would be a good time http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14974421 but it's for 25miles.

Dennis is still doing it and is now 82 or 83 so keep the training going you might be a late developer you never know :roll:

Would be cool to know how he ranked at 80 in the world :shock:

secretsqizz

reacher wrote:

guys i'm new to cycling so i need some help , i'm training in the gym but i will be on my new bike over xmas , not haveing cycled before i'm working on my fitness in the gym first ,
what would be considered a reasonable time for a 20 mile ride? 30k approx
one of the guys in the gym who is 42 do's this on a undulating course in around 1 hour , but he says if he goes at it he can do it in 50 mins
i'm 52 and will be racing him over this course , question is , is this a hard time to beat or compete against ?
or moderate ?

So when's the race?... want to set my Sky box

kettrinboy

reacher wrote:

right i will need a bit of time to do this on line , how ever the route is from severn bridge in chepstow thats where he lives about a 1/4 mile from the start of the bridge on the welsh side , in south wales , to the round a bout at the top of the road which divides to caldicot , st arvans and chepstow , down into chepstow town , then A 48 to lydney an back to his house , i think its a bit under 20 miles but i cant be certain on a exact distance ,
i dont know if some one can put that in for me , or they may know the route ,
for all i know it may be a easy ride , i would certainly be interested in you guys opinions ,
all this training and i might end up doing a girly route lol

While i was having a play on Garmin Basecamp with 1:50,000 OS Maps i mapped the route as close as i could from your directions, starting at 1/4 mile from the Severn bridge on the A466 up to the rbt, thru Chepstow, up A48 to the first rbt outside Lydney,( not going along the bypass to next rbt) and then back to the start point came out at 19.2 miles, but if the bloke has to come from his house to the big rbt A466/M48 that would add about another 0.4 - 0.8 miles, total climb 310m, two 50m climbs at start and finish, the rest undulates between 20 and 50m elevation, 50 mins for that would be good considering it goes through Chepstow centre twice.

reacher

kettrinboy wrote:

reacher wrote:

right i will need a bit of time to do this on line , how ever the route is from severn bridge in chepstow thats where he lives about a 1/4 mile from the start of the bridge on the welsh side , in south wales , to the round a bout at the top of the road which divides to caldicot , st arvans and chepstow , down into chepstow town , then A 48 to lydney an back to his house , i think its a bit under 20 miles but i cant be certain on a exact distance ,
i dont know if some one can put that in for me , or they may know the route ,
for all i know it may be a easy ride , i would certainly be interested in you guys opinions ,
all this training and i might end up doing a girly route lol

While i was having a play on Garmin Basecamp with 1:50,000 OS Maps i mapped the route as close as i could from your directions, starting at 1/4 mile from the Severn bridge on the A466 up to the rbt, thru Chepstow, up A48 to the first rbt outside Lydney,( not going along the bypass to next rbt) and then back to the start point came out at 19.2 miles, but if the bloke has to come from his house to the big rbt A466/M48 that would add about another 0.4 - 0.8 miles, total climb 310m, two 50m climbs at start and finish, the rest undulates between 20 and 50m elevation, 50 mins for that would be good considering it goes through Chepstow centre twice.

cheers for that m8 . its actually on to the next round a bout at lydney but its a flat bit of road , so although longer its easy ,
but i appreciate your help as it sets my target for me , thats the route anyhow , no hideing from it ,
he has been riding this route for a while so he has an advantage some what ,
so thats the test fellas i have to do it it one hour or under then , all training done in the gym apart from 2 rides at xmas in zero temps and then i'm thinking a couple of test rides again then go for it ,
20 mph is my target , any thing else i will consider a bonus , also he is 10 years younger than me an been riding for a long time , so i have to concede that actually doing his time will be a bit too much to hope for evan for me

reacher

Ron Stuart wrote:

This would be a good time http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14974421 but it's for 25miles.

Dennis is still doing it and is now 82 or 83 so keep the training going you might be a late developer you never know :roll:

Would be cool to know how he ranked at 80 in the world :shock:

is that flat or undulating ?
what ever , i would say thats pretty good , i'm impressed

Ron Stuart

reacher wrote:

Ron Stuart wrote:

This would be a good time http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14974421 but it's for 25miles.

Dennis is still doing it and is now 82 or 83 so keep the training going you might be a late developer you never know :roll:

Would be cool to know how he ranked at 80 in the world :shock:

is that flat or undulating ?
what ever , i would say thats pretty good , i'm impressed

We should all be impressed, I don't know why he and others like Derek Hodgins don't get the press they deserve and I can safely say you won't find a PED anywhere near them.

Also the times are for National VTTA Championship Courses (on the flat side) however undulating can mean different things to different people. I can say from experience when your going full beans and the road goes up even slightly it can have a huge difference to the legs. That's why the crono men seek out the ideal terrain for there records.

dodgy

Is this faithful to the route? http://ridewithgps.com/routes/270042

I did it myself in the end.

ShutUpLegs

dodgy wrote:

Is this faithful to the route? http://ridewithgps.com/routes/270042

I did it myself in the end.

I hope you did it in less than 50 minutes

reacher

dodgy wrote:

Is this faithful to the route? http://ridewithgps.com/routes/270042

I did it myself in the end.

yes m8
thats the one , i think its not quite at the turn a round point which i think is maybe a quarter mile further on at the lydney end on the new by pass but its perfectly flat piece of road ,
well done guys ,
much appreciated ,
is this a good route to do in one hour ?
i will be onwards and upwards cycling after this all summer maybe not this route though as its pretty busy with heavy traffic ,

but this is the race route mind you he will be doing the racing and me the following i think ,

reacher

is this considered a fair test to do in 20 mph guys ? or not ,

reacher

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/270127
right tried it , this is the training climb

think it worked , this is the one i intend to train on , should be 6.2 miles ,
what would be a good time fellas ? climb only not the return of course ,

drohand

I am 55 and have just done a 20 mile ride on undulating course in 1 hour 5 mins

Moonbiker

I am 55 and have just done a 20 mile ride on undulating course in 1 hour 5 mins

Fast! 8)

I got some random strava KOM without even trying at the weekend..

dizarch

I'm 51 and go riding with a mate who is 42, considerably fitter, massively lighter and hugely more determined than I am.

He could absolutely murder me if he so desired but he doesn't and we potter around undulating Northumberland at 15mph. That's about 1mph faster than I do on my own and about 5mph slower than he does on his own I imagine - he's very tolerant:-)

I think 20 miles in 50 minutes would be bordering on miraculous for a newbie with little or no road work under his bibs.