Peter kay

Frank the tank

Comedy/humour is a very individual thing and one size dosen't fit all. Comedians come and go.

Peter Kay, has had his day, as far as I'm concerned and is living on reputation but so do others, Lenny Henry being a prime example. I remember when Ben Elton, Harry Enfield, Julien Clarey etc were radical new kids on the block, but are now the old guard so too speak. Comedy constantly evolves and it's hard to keep original especially if you're on tv all the time.

I've seen some great comedians on the local scene, I've also been in a room watching some "die" Crikey doesn't that make you want to crawl up your own @rse. :oops:

tailwindhome

Frank the tank wrote:

Peter Kay, has had his day, as far as I'm concerned and is living on reputation but so do others, Lenny Henry being a prime example. I remember when Ben Elton, Harry Enfield, Julien Clarey etc were radical new kids on the block, but are now the old guard so too speak. Comedy constantly evolves and it's hard to keep original especially if you're on tv all the time.

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

I suppose it's like being in a band. If you're good you burn brightly for 5 years or so and then live off the royalties.

Regarding Peter Kay, he has produced a lot of top quality material (IMO) including his stand up routines and the brilliant Phoenix Nights, but may be past his sell by date

I like him

There, I said it

fluff.

Kay hasn't been funny or original in 5 or more years, and spawned a wave of comics who 'remember stuff'. /shakes fist

The next step for the comedian on a downward spiral, is to write some ruthlessly commercial musical, then go back to stand up and dribble incoherently into the mic with a routine out of a Christmas cracker. A bit like what that Ben Elton did;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0eIJeS18FA

Chip \'oyler

Booney wrote:

Despite this being my first post on our little online community, I couldn't help but be drawn to this thread, and thus felt compelled to post a comment. I too was at the O2 last night to see Peter Kay and actually quite enjoyed myself. I'll admit that Rick Astley as support is an illconceived attempt at comedy in itself, and that it is likely that Kay is poking fun at the aforementioned hasbeen as he attempts to rekindle what little fame he once had.

However, what I do take offence to is the prevailing strain of thought emanating through this thread which seems to be equating a personal dislike of Peter Kay and/or lack of enjoyment at his show last night, to a lack of understanding of northern culture and comedy. The vast majority of Kay's material is equally applicable to southerners, HENCE THE FACT THAT HE'S SELLING OUT THE O2 AND EVERY DATE ANNOUNCED!!!!!

There are just as many southern comics whose material lacks sufficient humour to warrant constant exposure through the BBC, but who do not come under attack by northerners claiming that it is not amusing but perhaps because they do not to understand it! Michael McKintyre is a prime example of someone who has failed to build upon the material he made it big with, and has subsequently been reduced to a frontman for BBC comedy, despite the fact that he is becoming less funny. Also, as a northerner myslef I can confirm that the constant repetition that northerners eat nothing but chips and gravy is nothing but utter rubbish which does nothing but make the accuser seem moronic.

If you don't like Peter Kay, or you did, but you didn't enjoy his show, fine. But simply suggesting that you don't like it because its northern and you don't quite "get it" does nothing but re-affirm my speedy realisation that 90% of the individuals on this site are nothing more than ignorant, self-regarding cretins, driven by the delusion that their opinions are somehow gospel when in reality it it is nothing more than ill-informed drivel. Now...anyone fancy talking about cycling?

Ooooh get you ducky

Oh BTW - I'm a northener.

Chip \'oyler

TailWindHome wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

Peter Kay, has had his day, as far as I'm concerned and is living on reputation but so do others, Lenny Henry being a prime example. I remember when Ben Elton, Harry Enfield, Julien Clarey etc were radical new kids on the block, but are now the old guard so too speak. Comedy constantly evolves and it's hard to keep original especially if you're on tv all the time.

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

I can. Frank Skinner

izza

Been lucky enough to see a few tours over the last 12 months. In order of how funny I found them on stage

1. Al Murray
2. Rick Gervais
3. Peter Kay
4. Michael McIntyre

maddog 2

mmmm chips and gravy

Homer J

Peter Kay was one the One Show on friday. didn't find him the least bit funny. buy the looks of it he's been eating plenty of chips and gravy

proto

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

Ken Dodd

finchy

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

Depending on your taste and definition of successful and long period of time, what about Stewart Lee, Andy Hamilton, Paul Whitehouse, Reeves and Mortimer?

all show no go

Depends on what you call successful. For me, the funniest fu**er who stalks the planet is Tommy Tiernan, no question.

Peter Kay... Absolute toss ever since he did that totally unfunny piss-take of the X-Factor (which is much funnier)

mroli

My fav comic - Daniel Kitson. Has absolutely no desire to be commercially succesful but is bloody hilarious doing stand up and genuinely incredible doing his story shows.

alan_a

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

Top ten who haven't been mentioned.

Billy Connolly

Ed Byrne

Eddie Izzard

Lee Evans

Al Murray

Bill Bailey

Harry Hill

Jack Dee

The late Dave Allen

and the king of them all, the late Bob Monkhouse

I work in the live stand up business and it amazes me that people fork out the money they do to see the Bowton lad in these arena shows.

Spend a tenner instead and go to your local comedy club. You'll get four acts over two and a half hours. Ok some might (in you opinion) be crap, however more often than not 3 of the 4 will be excellent. It's how Kay, Vegas, McIntyre et al started. The atmosphere is much better too.

Michael McIntyre's Comedy Roadshow is the best thing to have happened to live stand up. Comedy clubs are booming cos when they watch MMCR most people like the acts they've never heard of better than the headliner... fu ck did you see Noel Fielding die on his arse?

shouldbeinbed

Booney wrote:

Despite this being my first post on our little online community, I couldn't help but be drawn to this thread, and thus felt compelled to post a comment. I too was at the O2 last night to see Peter Kay and actually quite enjoyed myself. I'll admit that Rick Astley as support is an illconceived attempt at comedy in itself, and that it is likely that Kay is poking fun at the aforementioned hasbeen as he attempts to rekindle what little fame he once had.

However, what I do take offence to is the prevailing strain of thought emanating through this thread which seems to be equating a personal dislike of Peter Kay and/or lack of enjoyment at his show last night, to a lack of understanding of northern culture and comedy. The vast majority of Kay's material is equally applicable to southerners, HENCE THE FACT THAT HE'S SELLING OUT THE O2 AND EVERY DATE ANNOUNCED!!!!!

There are just as many southern comics whose material lacks sufficient humour to warrant constant exposure through the BBC, but who do not come under attack by northerners claiming that it is not amusing but perhaps because they do not to understand it! Michael McKintyre is a prime example of someone who has failed to build upon the material he made it big with, and has subsequently been reduced to a frontman for BBC comedy, despite the fact that he is becoming less funny. Also, as a northerner myslef I can confirm that the constant repetition that northerners eat nothing but chips and gravy is nothing but utter rubbish which does nothing but make the accuser seem moronic.

If you don't like Peter Kay, or you did, but you didn't enjoy his show, fine. But simply suggesting that you don't like it because its northern and you don't quite "get it" does nothing but re-affirm my speedy realisation that 90% of the individuals on this site are nothing more than ignorant, self-regarding cretins, driven by the delusion that their opinions are somehow gospel when in reality it it is nothing more than ill-informed drivel. Now...anyone fancy talking about cycling?

Cor that's a hell of an ending to a post. Have you seen this internet thing before?

Theres a few posters on the thread from the north. I'm from Oldham, am I allowed to say he's not funny and the humour isn't. It's lazy trite and not representative of t'north.

pb21

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

Larry David

Bobbinogs

shouldbeinbed wrote:

Booney wrote:

...

If you don't like Peter Kay, or you did, but you didn't enjoy his show, fine. But simply suggesting that you don't like it because its northern and you don't quite "get it" does nothing but re-affirm my speedy realisation that 90% of the individuals on this site are nothing more than ignorant, self-regarding cretins, driven by the delusion that their opinions are somehow gospel when in reality it it is nothing more than ill-informed drivel. Now...anyone fancy talking about cycling?

Cor that's a hell of an ending to a post. Have you seen this internet thing before?

Theres a few posters on the thread from the north. I'm from Oldham, am I allowed to say he's not funny and the humour isn't. It's lazy trite and not representative of t'north.

At least you're from the north. I am one of the individuals on this site who are nothing more than ignorant, self-regarding cretins, driven by the delusion that their opinions are somehow gospel. Ho hum. Must do better

mr_poll

shouldbeinbed wrote:

Booney wrote:

Despite this being my first post on our little online community, I couldn't help but be drawn to this thread, and thus felt compelled to post a comment. I too was at the O2 last night to see Peter Kay and actually quite enjoyed myself. I'll admit that Rick Astley as support is an illconceived attempt at comedy in itself, and that it is likely that Kay is poking fun at the aforementioned hasbeen as he attempts to rekindle what little fame he once had.

However, what I do take offence to is the prevailing strain of thought emanating through this thread which seems to be equating a personal dislike of Peter Kay and/or lack of enjoyment at his show last night, to a lack of understanding of northern culture and comedy. The vast majority of Kay's material is equally applicable to southerners, HENCE THE FACT THAT HE'S SELLING OUT THE O2 AND EVERY DATE ANNOUNCED!!!!!

There are just as many southern comics whose material lacks sufficient humour to warrant constant exposure through the BBC, but who do not come under attack by northerners claiming that it is not amusing but perhaps because they do not to understand it! Michael McKintyre is a prime example of someone who has failed to build upon the material he made it big with, and has subsequently been reduced to a frontman for BBC comedy, despite the fact that he is becoming less funny. Also, as a northerner myslef I can confirm that the constant repetition that northerners eat nothing but chips and gravy is nothing but utter rubbish which does nothing but make the accuser seem moronic.

If you don't like Peter Kay, or you did, but you didn't enjoy his show, fine. But simply suggesting that you don't like it because its northern and you don't quite "get it" does nothing but re-affirm my speedy realisation that 90% of the individuals on this site are nothing more than ignorant, self-regarding cretins, driven by the delusion that their opinions are somehow gospel when in reality it it is nothing more than ill-informed drivel. Now...anyone fancy talking about cycling?

Cor that's a hell of an ending to a post. Have you seen this internet thing before?

Theres a few posters on the thread from the north. I'm from Oldham, am I allowed to say he's not funny and the humour isn't. It's lazy trite and not representative of t'north.

Agree, I live close to Chorley - good ol' Chorley FM - so totally get Peter Kays humour I have watched him since he first broke through with his first TV program about Rivington services, then his character series including the hilarious oldest paperboy in Bolton. I saw his Bungalow tour and havent laughed as much in 2 hours, ever.

However I really feel that he has lost it recently - his jokes rely on observations of his early life and think he has now emptied that well - however he still goes back to it and now his humour is either a rehash of old material or desperate attempts to be funny. I saw him turn up on chat shows over the past few years and found the above to be true so chose to avoid his "sell out shows" - friends went and all in all the feedback has been average. To claim he is amazing because he sells out is folly, look at Take That's success recently hardly the pinnacle of music are they.

However to slate ppl on here for being ignorant is very poor form - yes there are some poseter on here that i do wonder about but overall this forum has 90% informed and interesting ppl on it - just because they disagree with your opinion doesn't make them ignorant.

Smokin Joe

Booney still hasn't been back to talk about cycling. I wonder if he owns a bike at all?

mrushton

Phoenix Nights - that's it. Brilliantly observed/written and esp.funny if you know anything about the club circuit that is being depicted. Northern boy makes good,ma tes with Eric Clapton etc but PK needs to find something else.

Tom Butcher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV9wsPghPPY

This guy seems pretty funny.

rick_chasey

johnfinch wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

Depending on your taste and definition of successful and long period of time, what about Stewart Lee, Andy Hamilton, Paul Whitehouse, Reeves and Mortimer?

Not sure how well Stewart Lee would go down with some people here!

I'm keen, but, would you expect otherwise?

simonaspinall

Stewart Lee - Awesome - Really has a plan for the whole show.

Fist of Fun & his regular stand-up...diverse!

IronHorse100

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not sure how well Stewart Lee would go down with some people here!

why?

Anonymous

Peter Kay lost his way when he did Max and Paddy IMO. Love all his work previous to that, especially That Peter Kay Thing and Phoenix Nights.

Allez Mark

proto wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

Ken Dodd

I have something to tell you that's really hard to say.

Ken Dodds dads dogs dead.... :oops:

rick_chasey

IronHorse100 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Not sure how well Stewart Lee would go down with some people here!

why?

He's a little politically alienating.

His long standing defence of political correctness for example.


As for Booney - I think he's got the wrong end of the stick, or a chip on his shoulder.

Peter Kay makes very specific cultural references in his observation comedy - which, in part, is often associated with 'nothern' culture > it's also exacerbated by its Bolton delivery.

Having said that, as probably the only person in my office who speaks well of anything north of Watford, I'm the only person in the office who does not like Peter Kay.

shouldbeinbed

johnfinch wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

Depending on your taste and definition of successful and long period of time, what about Stewart Lee, Andy Hamilton, Paul Whitehouse, Reeves and Mortimer?

Lots for the bill, not all trendy or PC ones, Jasper Carrot Bernard Manning & Chubby brown (runs to hide ) or Bill Bailey, Eddie Izzard, Harry Hill, Dave Gorman......

of the above they're all brilliant. Fist of Fun was awesome.

tailwindhome

TailWindHome wrote:

Struggling to think of a comedian who has been funny and original over a long period of time and has also been commercially successful.

The Internet wrote:

Stewart Lee
Andy Hamilton
Paul Whitehouse
Reeves and Mortimer
Jasper Carrot
Bernard Manning
Chubby brown
Bill Bailey
Eddie Izzard
Harry Hill
Dave Gorman
Ken Dodd
Larry David
Billy Connolly
Ed Byrne
Eddie Izzard
Lee Evans
Al Murray
Bill Bailey
Harry Hill
Jack Dee
Dave Allen
Bob Monkhouse

As someone said it depends on how you define funny, commercial and original.

Of this list I'll accept Eddie Izzard and Bob Monkhouse

The rest IMO don't meet all 3 criteria. In fact I propose Billy Connolly as the absolute epitome of the 'burn bright for 5 years and live off it for the rest of your career' comedian

Bob Monkhouse (again IMO) came up with the best one liner ever

"When I said I was going to be a comedian they laughed.........well they're not laughing now"

cougie

+1 on going to the comedy club. I saw Johnny Vegas and Jimmy Carr perform before they were famous. Well worth the price of a ticket - but I wasnt sure Carr was going to get out of there alive after he ripped a stag party to pieces.

Smokin Joe

The only thing I thought Peter Kay ever did that was funny were the John Smith's Bitter adverts. Every other time I saw him he was dire.