Do you think Contador is guilty?

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Jay dubbleU wrote:
    Since the amount found in his system would have had no effect on his performance the whole question is surely hypetherical ?

    Why? The implications of how a small trace got there should the meat thing be untrue are possibly greater than if there were sufficient doseages of the Clenbuterol itself.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    beatsystem wrote:
    Why are people so cynical about this? Its very sad...

    Experience.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Pross wrote:
    The implications of how a small trace got there should the meat thing be untrue are possibly greater than if there were sufficient doseages of the Clenbuterol itself.
    This is what gets me about the whole thing - is this the tip of the iceberg raising its head above the parapet, as they might say in the cliches thread? My guess is that someone's careful program of doping & masking just slipped up ever so slightly, but will we ever hear the whole truth?
  • psittacosis
    psittacosis Posts: 97
    but will we ever hear the whole truth?
    Not if his lawyers have anything to do with it.
  • woody1545
    woody1545 Posts: 322
    Damn it! I was looking forward to a showdown in the Alps next year between Contador and Schleck, hopefully with Andy winning.

    Maybe I'm naive but i was starting to believe that these days were over! Maybe i should just assume that any cyclist who appears too good to be true must be doping?

    If Contador doped and if (no rants please) Lance gets found guilty does that mean that Carlos Sastre is the only clean winner to wear the Yellow Jersey in Paris since 1998!?
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    woody1545 wrote:
    Damn it! I was looking forward to a showdown in the Alps next year between Contador and Schleck, hopefully with Andy winning.

    Maybe I'm naive but i was starting to believe that these days were over! Maybe i should just assume that any cyclist who appears too good to be true must be doping?

    If Contador doped and if (no rants please) Lance gets found guilty does that mean that Carlos Sastre is the only clean winner to wear the Yellow Jersey in Paris since 1998!?
    No, it means he's the only one who hasn't got caught
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    woody1545 wrote:
    Damn it! I was looking forward to a showdown in the Alps next year between Contador and Schleck, hopefully with Andy winning.

    Maybe I'm naive but i was starting to believe that these days were over! Maybe i should just assume that any cyclist who appears too good to be true must be doping?

    If Contador doped and if (no rants please) Lance gets found guilty does that mean that Carlos Sastre is the only clean winner to wear the Yellow Jersey in Paris since 1998!?

    I'd like to think Pererio was clean
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    sherer wrote:
    woody1545 wrote:
    Damn it! I was looking forward to a showdown in the Alps next year between Contador and Schleck, hopefully with Andy winning.

    Maybe I'm naive but i was starting to believe that these days were over! Maybe i should just assume that any cyclist who appears too good to be true must be doping?

    If Contador doped and if (no rants please) Lance gets found guilty does that mean that Carlos Sastre is the only clean winner to wear the Yellow Jersey in Paris since 1998!?

    I'd like to think Pererio was clean


    He didn't 'win' - at least not in the most technical sense. But you are probably correct.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    woody1545 wrote:
    If Contador doped and if (no rants please) Lance gets found guilty does that mean that Carlos Sastre is the only clean winner to wear the Yellow Jersey in Paris since 1998!?

    Wasn't 98 won by Pantani? :shock: Before that Ullrich and Riis and then Indurain's dominance which a lot of people question. I'd like to think that the furthest we need to go back is 95 but it may be 90!
  • Mettan
    Mettan Posts: 2,103
    bompington wrote:
    My guess is that someone's careful program of doping & masking just slipped up ever so slightly

    That's how I see it aswell ^

    Apparently, at the end of August, Contador was spotted trying to tie his doctor to a cow and push them both off a cliff in the Pyrenees - it's all starting to make sense now :D
  • cajun_cyclist
    cajun_cyclist Posts: 493
    Landis got dethroned right away but was it favouritism?

    Probably only in the sense that Lance and Alberto are multi-tour winners, big holes in Tour history if either of them get taken down and with commercial contracts, etc. they indeed have a lot of goodwill, in fact, that is so much what Pantani was about, even when he started failing in racing and the troubles with suspensions, he still earned a lot from his image and name rights and even Pantani was a single Tour winner, double Giro and Tour, Yes.
  • shakey88
    shakey88 Posts: 289
    Guilty or not he's had it coming for some time.
    It's funny how no one's suprised
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    sherer wrote:
    I'd like to think Pererio was clean

    Is that the periero who threatened to give up cycling if he was forced to provide a DNA sample to prove he wasn't "Urko" in Fuentes' files?
  • DB100
    DB100 Posts: 258
    If this was Vino, we wouldn't even be debating it. Once a cheat always a cheat, Contador got caught, why are people trying to convince themselves otherwise.
    The excuses don't stack up
  • luckao
    luckao Posts: 632
    edited October 2010
    Sceptical. Whilst much of what is known about the substance implies his innocence, his excuse does sound contrived.

    At least McQuaid has finally spoken about it. No, wait. That's never a good thing.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    ShinyHelmut wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    I'd like to think Pererio was clean

    Is that the periero who threatened to give up cycling if he was forced to provide a DNA sample to prove he wasn't "Urko" in Fuentes' files?

    Didn't know that one, was hoping being a lower down rider who made up 30 mins on a stage he would be cleaner than someone entering going for the GT win.
  • ms_tree
    ms_tree Posts: 1,405
    I think he should be more worried that Bruyneel is now supporting him. Wouldn't trust that man as far as I could throw him.
    'Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers. A librarian can bring you back the right one.'
    Neil Gaiman
  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    He blood doped.... it is soooooo obvious.

    With blood that had a minute trace of a banned drug, presumably one he used in the off season.

    No other sensible way to account for it,
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    I have no knowledge of contaminants in the food chain.

    I have no experience of blood doping procedures.

    All I know about this case is what I have read in media reports.

    Therefore, I have made a decision on his guilt based on this. Conveniently, it matches my previous feelings about Contador.

    I have some statements from scientists to prove my point.

    Clearly he's......


    (Honestly, I don't have a clue. And really, neither do you).
    Twitter: @RichN95

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