Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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S**T, that linky didn't work. I had zoomed in on irun netto. It's just off to the left.
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Well that nails it then. He said he didn't do it so he must be innocent. I'm convinced now.0
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Not everyone convinced though. Syl Chavanel amongst them:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chavane ... -innocence
And his countryman Yoann Offredo (FDJ) offered his own candid assessment of the Contador case, saying that he was not surprised by the news.
“It’s a story that we’ve been expecting,” Offredo said. “Right now, amongst the riders, I can tell you that we’re not that shocked.”
Seems many riders feel this way.0 -
So desperate to win, and if you can't win get in the queue like everybody else.
Some riders seem to think that just because they are GT contenders, that they have reputations to protect and that must-win at all cost. It is sheer greed, the lowest of the low.
Complete un-sportsman like.0 -
The irony of someone from Quick.Step offering an opinion....Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Pokerface wrote:iainf72 wrote:The irony of someone from Quick.Step offering an opinion....
Yeah, but they're French. All the French are clean - right? 8)
Yes.
Except for the 10% who had traces of steroids in their hair samples. All clean aside from them.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:And from the horse's mouth. Everything ties in very well and his information is most likely verifiable. It could be one elaborate cover story but I am not certainly one of those pessimistic conspiracy theorist type people.
José Luis López Cerrón, former cyclist from Valladolid and former directeur sportif of the Amaya and Seguros Vitalicio teams, among others, assured EFE today that he purchased the clenbuterol-contaminated meat that Alberto Contador ingested in the last Tour “in Irún” when he was travelling “on the way to Pau.”
“Every year I go to the Tour de France one or two days, and this time it coincided with the tribute to the Vuelta Ciclista a España in Pau, which was a place that was close to Spain as well,” said López Cerrón.
“When I was driving, I called Paco Olalla, the chef for Astana (Alberto Contador’s team), and Paco was a little annoyed because in Pau they’d been put up in a hotel in which they wouldn’t let him into the kitchen,” said Cerrón.
“He asked me for a tenderloin for the riders, I was on the freeway near San Sebastian and I exited at Irún. There I started wandering around until I found a butcher’s shop and bought a veal tenderloin,” he explained.
“When I got to Pau I gave it to Paco, who had to cook it on the bus,” as the chef himself confessed today to EFE, since they wouldn’t let him use “the services” of the hotel.
“I hope that everything is clarified because Alberto (Contador) is completely innocent,” concluded López Cerrón
Bleedin' hell, the greatest story ever told. If you believe that then I have some timeshare appartments you might be interested in :roll:0 -
frenchfighter wrote:And from the horse's mouth. Everything ties in very well and his information is most likely verifiable. It could be one elaborate cover story but I am not certainly one of those pessimistic conspiracy theorist type people.
It's not like they've not had the time to line their story up is it? :roll:0 -
Of course as I said in the post, I just don't go through life thinking everyone is lying to me. Maybe you do. People are different.
And excuse me but what does Yoann guy know? I would like him to be more specific on why he isn't surprised? Or is it because excellence in cycling needs immediately to be smeared with doping? So we only should root for the run of the mill no names...like YoannContador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:
And excuse me but what does Yoann guy know? I would like him to be more specific on why he isn't surprised? Or is it because excellence in cycling needs immediately to be smeared with doping? So we only should root for the run of the mill no names...like Yoann
Let me ask you a question : What percentage of people involved in pro cycling do you think thought Contador was clean?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Pokerface wrote:iainf72 wrote:The irony of someone from Quick.Step offering an opinion....
Yeah, but they're French. All the French are clean - right? 8)
the penalties of getting caught in France are v.harsh. Ask D.Millar. bank accounts get frozen,house gets taken off you and you have to prove your innocenceM.Rushton0 -
How am I to answer that? No one can.
Quite simply whoever is on top is going to be accused of doping. Just like the PM, whoever he is, people wont like him. Substantiate or shut-up I tell those people.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Yoann Offredo should be exactly the sort of rider you like FF. He attacked in Milan San Remo and led the race for some time in the closing miles. He was on the podium in the GP Plouay. He's got an ability for long distance races and trains especially for them, often riding behind a moped in the morning of a race to accumulate extra mileage. He's with the French squad in Geelong and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes top-10.
Anyway, what does he know? About the same as the rest of us, only he's inside the bunch and gets the inside scoop on who is doing what.0 -
Yes my words were curt and not directed in a personal sense to Yoann so you are right to post what you did about him.
Contador didn't appear on the scene with a bang and a scream, he has been a class above since he first rode a bike.Contador is the Greatest0 -
...who is a medical doctor tells me it’s basically “a poor man’s adrenaline”. It stimulates the same receptors that adrenaline does, similar to ephedrine. It has the identical chemical make-up to Ventolin...Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:How am I to answer that? No one can.
Quite simply whoever is on top is going to be accused of doping. Just like the PM, whoever he is, people wont like him. Substantiate or shut-up I tell those people.
No one is accusing Basso or Nibali of doping. True - at the top you are a target - but not always. It's not that simple.0 -
Here's my impression of what pro's might think based on what I've heard from people connected with pro cycling.
Contador - really nice guy, lots of time for him, pleasant, polite. But a lot of doubts about his performances.
Saiz
Bruyneel
Fuentes
"next question"
Astana
Any one of these should set of alarm bells.
I really like Bert as a rider. I'm not a fanboi, but I think he's a good rider.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Of course, even if this food contamination sticks for the reason for the positive then there's still the plasticizers thing isnt there? Maybe the transfusion wouldnt be the reason for the positive but still, a transfusion is still a huge alarm bell, not that he's ever been linked to any form of suspected blood storage in the past or anything
Of course, if he's actually innocent of all these things then good on him. Gonna be interesting how both stories turn out though.0 -
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That is fantastic, did you make that???? FF will be right clicking and going 'save as' for his collection Im sure
EDIT... just followed the link... still, whoever did that image is a hero0 -
Whilst I fully support the testing that takes place in cycling in an attempt to prove honesty and integrity in the sport, I do wish that the authorities would exhibit the same honesty, integrity and professionalism in their approach to thorough investigation before releasing a name for the culprit to hanged by the press. The latter of course being very uneasy bedfellows with the truth, honesty and integrity.
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Au contraire.Diogenes wrote:I do wish that the authorities would exhibit the same honesty, integrity and professionalism in their approach to thorough investigation before releasing a name for the culprit to hanged by the press. The latter of course being very uneasy bedfellows with the truth, honesty and integrity.
The authorities knew the sample, A and B, was positive for a long time but they sat on it for a considerable period of time. Normally A+B = newsflash but this was kept on the QT and very hush hush for a while.0 -
Guys this is great!
I've been away at a conference in exeter and haven't been able to comment until now but ive read all the input....
I can't see how Contador can keep his title, no way. Sure he could be clean and it could be tainted meat. But equally he could be micro-dosing and this particular dose hasn't made it all the way through his system.
Just a thought i am not a pharmasicist but do trace environmental chemistry which obviously has overlaps. Say contador ate an 8oz steak x hours before his test, it should be really easy to calculate from the concentrations what amount of drug he should have consumed. From that you can work out the concentration in the meat. This could be easily verified by similar cattle.
The choice comes down to this on the balance of probabilities is it more likely that he’s gone through this incredible chain of events or is it more likely that he’s a doper. Bye bye bertie!All hail the FSM and his noodly appendage!0 -
Kléber wrote:
Au contraire.Diogenes wrote:I do wish that the authorities would exhibit the same honesty, integrity and professionalism in their approach to thorough investigation before releasing a name for the culprit to hanged by the press. The latter of course being very uneasy bedfellows with the truth, honesty and integrity.
The authorities knew the sample, A and B, was positive for a long time but they sat on it for a considerable period of time. Normally A+B = newsflash but this was kept on the QT and very hush hush for a while.
So I understand, it is the requirement of thorough investigation I am interested in, there appears to be confusion within the authorities as to how this could have come about and until such confusion is cleared up they should have kept their thoughts to themselves. Unless of course they are absolutely sure that he cheated in which case they should have taken action immediately and thrown him off the race. They can’t have it both ways, either they are sure in which case they should have acted immediately or they are not in which case they should not publish
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I keep seeing people trying to play down the benefit a rider would get from using Clenbuterol, but it is clear that in the right dose it is a very powerful drug, and one of its biggest benefits would be to make the rider if not more muscular, a lot leaner, which is just what a climber like Contador needs when preparing for a race like the Tour.
And from Wikipedia...
Clenbuterol is a non-steroidal β2 adrenergic agonist[1] with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's BMR.0 -
The amount was too small to be administered so he cannot have taken clen during the Tour. Unless he took it a day or two earlier and therefore those readings would be the 'tailwnd' of the usage. However this line of thought can be chucked out the window as he was tested prior. Unless you argue that clen was not covered in the prior testing. Yet that flies out the window as the samples can be retrospectively tested.
So the next step is to assume blood doping and the clen was a result of him having taken it prior to having his blood removed. However, this means that Alberto needs to have taken clen very close to the time the blood was removed as otherwise it would not show up. What 'professional doper' with a 'long history of suspected doping' and much financial means available to him would give blood knowing he had just taken a drug, with the view to using it in the most profile event that year, in which he will be the most high profile and likely tested rider?
Also, with all the sophisticated means available to them, are the authorities unable to test for blood doping? I asked this previously but was not given a sufficiently solid reply. Hamilton in 04 was done for blood doping - how did they find that out? Finally, if blood doping cannot be detected, can someone explain why it isn't widely practiced? Or maybe it is.Contador is the Greatest0 -
BikingBernie wrote:I keep seeing people trying to play down the benefit a rider would get from using Clenbuterol, but it is clear that in the right dose it is a very powerful drug[/i]
Agreed on the above - it's unfortunate for Bert (getting caught with his hands in the till) (nice guy and all that) - selfish of me, but I'm looking forward to a new winner of the TDF next year (lets hope he's not caught eating dodgy spanish horse meat mid-race too) - bring on the 2011 TDF
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Blood doping using the rider's own blood cannot be detected, other than indirectly via changes in parameters such as a rider's haemocrit and reticulocyte count, which are the focus of the 'passport' programme. However, as people like Ashenden have pointed out, a properly managed blood doping program, using rapidly undetectable micro-doses of Epo to keep the reticulocyte count up, can easily avoid the sort of suspicious variations that the 'passport' programme looks for.frenchfighter wrote:with all the sophisticated means available to them, are the authorities unable to test for blood doping? I asked this previously but was not given a sufficiently solid reply. Hamilton in 04 was done for blood doping - how did they find that out? Finally, if blood doping cannot be detected, can someone explain why it isn't widely practiced? Or maybe it is.
Generally riders who have been busted for blood doping have transfused blood other than their own, which can be detected.
The available evidence indicates that not only is blood doping widespread, it has been the doping method of choice ever since the Epo test was introduced.0
