Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

sherer

how to we know that Contador hasn't listed the shop and where it as and having samples of the meat and form sources tested ?

The press conference was in Spanish so no idea really if he was asked what butchers this was from ?

The only facts we know is the A and B were positive anything else is just speculation

LangerDan

"An Astana team statement this morning read: 'The Kazakh direction of the team Astana just learnt yesterday from a press release issued by his press officer that Alberto Contador had an abnormal doping control during the last Tour de France."

The UCI are not obliged under their rules to inform a team. But its a little bit difficult to believe the team didn't know. Contador was advised on the 24th August and met with the UCI on the 26th? to present his response. So he's been engaing legal personnel and expert witnesses who have assembled a defense case without in any way appearing on the managements radar?

Given the senior position Vino holds on the squad and the fact that Contador has made reference to knowing that Vino had eaten earlier in the day before the contaminated meat was served, how was he garnering all this dietary information without Vino saying "Boss, theres something you should know"

I suspect that as he is leaving, Astana are going to deny everything and let Bertie swing.

mfin

sherer wrote:

how to we know that Contador hasn't listed the shop and where it as and having samples of the meat and form sources tested ?

The press conference was in Spanish so no idea really if he was asked what butchers this was from ?

The only facts we know is the A and B were positive anything else is just speculation

Well, if he has then you'd think he would say!!! Seeing as that's his excuse he's trying to convince the world's press that is the truth!!! ...or perhaps he's thick as pig sh!t !!

sherer

mfin wrote:

sherer wrote:

how to we know that Contador hasn't listed the shop and where it as and having samples of the meat and form sources tested ?

The press conference was in Spanish so no idea really if he was asked what butchers this was from ?

The only facts we know is the A and B were positive anything else is just speculation

Well, if he has then you'd think he would say!!! Seeing as that's his excuse he's trying to convince the world's press that is the truth!!! ...or perhaps he's thick as pig sh!t !!

does he really have to go into that sort of detail though. he said it was from meat and even named the guy that gave the meat to him which is quite a lot of detail to start with. I suspect they know where the meat is from and are following up on that, maybe AC thinks saying where the shop is might affect the livelihood of a butcher for no reason.

iainf72

If I was going to try and pull the wool over people's eyes, I'd have picked a supplement and make sure it was contaminated. You could prove it and yes, you should still have to serve a ban but at least you'd come out of it looking better.

I'm maintaining an open mind - Some people more clever than me say it's possible it could've happened.

Pokerface

iainf72 wrote:

If I was going to try and pull the wool over people's eyes, I'd have picked a supplement and make sure it was contaminated. You could prove it and yes, you should still have to serve a ban but at least you'd come out of it looking better.

I'm maintaining an open mind - Some people more clever than me say it's possible it could've happened.

On the flip side - could be a gamble. If you say it was from supplements - you have no chance of getting off. If you go the meat angle - it's possible he might skip a ban altogether.

mfin

sherer wrote:

mfin wrote:

sherer wrote:

how to we know that Contador hasn't listed the shop and where it as and having samples of the meat and form sources tested ?

The press conference was in Spanish so no idea really if he was asked what butchers this was from ?

The only facts we know is the A and B were positive anything else is just speculation

Well, if he has then you'd think he would say!!! Seeing as that's his excuse he's trying to convince the world's press that is the truth!!! ...or perhaps he's thick as pig sh!t !!

does he really have to go into that sort of detail though. he said it was from meat and even named the guy that gave the meat to him which is quite a lot of detail to start with. I suspect they know where the meat is from and are following up on that, maybe AC thinks saying where the shop is might affect the livelihood of a butcher for no reason.

Dont agree. Saying he knows where the butchers is is realistic to show he's got some meat behind his meat story. He doesn't have to say it was from 'Antonio and Tiddles Meat Emporium' in Birminghamos and list the address does he, and I wouldnt expect him to, most people wouldnt.

iainf72

Pokerface wrote:

On the flip side - could be a gamble. If you say it was from supplements - you have no chance of getting off. If you go the meat angle - it's possible he might skip a ban altogether.

Good point. If it's from "proper" food you might be luckier...

mfin

Anyone else think its amusing how he's refering to it as meat. When people have said 'what did you have for tea?' Ive often said 'Steak and chips' but Ive never said 'oh, i had meat'

psittacosis

Thinking about it maybe they did have meat shipped across the continent specially for his dinner, it could have been kept with the transfusion bags in the fridge to stay fresh.

Arkibal

mfin wrote:

Anyone else think its amusing how he's refering to it as meat. When people have said 'what did you have for tea?' Ive often said 'Steak and chips' but Ive never said 'oh, i had meat'

...or that's the way it has been translated into English?

mfin

psittacosis wrote:

Thinking about it maybe they did have meat shipped across the continent specially for his dinner, it could have been kept with the transfusion bags in the fridge to stay fresh.

And perhaps he's forgotten to say it tasted funny cos the chef left the plastic wrapper on it, then he'd have the plastisizers thing covered too, doesn't think as fast as us, bet he'll be kicking himself.

mfin

Arkibal wrote:

mfin wrote:

Anyone else think its amusing how he's refering to it as meat. When people have said 'what did you have for tea?' Ive often said 'Steak and chips' but Ive never said 'oh, i had meat'

...or that's the way it has been translated into English?

Maybe, he said 'carne' though didnt he, which is Spanish for meat??? Might be spanish for steak as well though, still, sounds funny. ...if a cow ate Contador early season wonder if it'd be wired to the eyeballs?

Moomaloid

iainf72 wrote:

Pokerface wrote:

On the flip side - could be a gamble. If you say it was from supplements - you have no chance of getting off. If you go the meat angle - it's possible he might skip a ban altogether.

Good point. If it's from "proper" food you might be luckier...

But didn't Harmon say on the coverage yesterday that a Female athlete/swimmer got off on the supplement angle and sued the supplement company successfully?

secretsqirrel

LangerDan wrote:

"An Astana team statement this morning read: 'The Kazakh direction of the team Astana just learnt yesterday from a press release issued by his press officer that Alberto Contador had an abnormal doping control during the last Tour de France."

The UCI are not obliged under their rules to inform a team. But its a little bit difficult to believe the team didn't know. Contador was advised on the 24th August and met with the UCI on the 26th? to present his response. So he's been engaing legal personnel and expert witnesses who have assembled a defense case without in any way appearing on the managements radar?

Given the senior position Vino holds on the squad and the fact that Contador has made reference to knowing that Vino had eaten earlier in the day before the contaminated meat was served, how was he garnering all this dietary information without Vino saying "Boss, theres something you should know"

I suspect that as he is leaving, Astana are going to deny everything and let Bertie swing.

Bert, Vino & Merckx have only just come back from a bike party fest in Almaty & Astana. It does seem a little strange that Team Vino heard the news the same time as everyone else yesterday. :?

As for letting Bertie to swing, wasn't it written into AC's contract (when he was being held 'hostage' last year :roll: ) that any positive dope tests in the team, would mean that Bert was jumping ship? The Irony, eh?

cajun_cyclist

When Tyler Hamilton was caught in 2004 at the Vuelta, there was suspense to get back the B test. That same year had the Athens Olympics. I believe Hamilton was able to keep his Olympic Medal but the occurrences at the Vuelta saw Hamilton sanctioned.

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Also, the 'plasticizer' test,

The paper says that investigators working on Contador’s case at the laboratory in Cologne have tested the Spaniard’s urine using a method developed by Dr Jordi Segura at a laboratory in Barcelona. The method enables the detection of a plastic substance that derives from bags used to transport blood.

L’Équipe adds that Segura’s method, details of which were published in 2009, has not yet been validated by the anti-doping authorities and will require further testing before it can be ratified.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lequipe ... r-contador

So, the process is not ratified yet. So, this whole process with Contador may see him sweat it out. Maybe get by on a technicality, this is a close one to call.

http://blogs.bettor.com/Greg-LeMond-que ... est-a30912

Someone mentioned Lemond so I searched out a story to see what he said, I had not previously heard, not too earthshaking.

Bertie will be walking on eggshells no doubt of any impropriety.

LangerDan

The cow must be the bovine equivalent of Frank Vandenbroucke's dog.

Could we race them.?

afx237vi

LangerDan wrote:

The cow must be the bovine equivalent of Frank Vandenbroucke's dog.

Could we race them.?

Throw Adri van der Poel's doped up pigeons into the mix and we have a Channel 5 gameshow on our hands.

Anonymous

And Bruseghin's smacked up donkey.

LangerDan

We could get Rumsas' ailing mother-in-law as the jockey.

Pokerface

And Landis to run the open bar. Jack and beers all 'round

psittacosis

Gilberto Simoni's aunt is providing the sweeties from Peru

No_Ta_Doctor

NapoleonD wrote:

And Bruseghin's smacked up donkey.

Is it named after Pedro Delgado?

Sorry.... wrong thread....

mfin

I think they should have more than A and B samples... say, treat them like they are and store say 4 more... and be allowed to re-test at any point for any drug that was on the banned list at the time and to be able take peoples titles away anywhere up to the point the samples are agreed to be best before their sell by date. That'd go some way to cleaning the sport up. Then if you had a new test for a drug that was banned anyway at any time in the past any podium finishers for that event should have these samples re-tested. That'd make a few of them think twice about what they were doing.

That would have worked well for the EPO era when only 50% red rule applied, by now could look back, test the lot... and yes, even if every major tour had all 3 GT podium finishers found out for 5 years or whatever then so be it. Banned substance. Shouldnt be taking it. Its cheating.

prawny

No tA Doctor wrote:

NapoleonD wrote:

And Bruseghin's smacked up donkey.

Is it named after Pedro Delgado?

Sorry.... wrong thread....

frenchfighter

De la Fuente:

“If the bad stuff is in that meat, I ate it too. It was pure chance, because on that day, they wouldn’t let us into the hotel kitchen so the teams that had their own chef then ate whatever meat they had. The people that came down late to dinner ate something different than the first people,” assured the lieutenant of the yellow jersey.

De la Fuente related what went on that night within the Astana headquarters. “After the stage we went to the hotel. We got massages, like every day, and clearly, some go down first and others afterwards, according to when they finish. The first ones ate hotel food but, in the end, those of us that came down last were eating our food. Simply by chance.” De la Fuente was one of the last of the team to come down, and acknowledges that he shared dinner with the champion from Madrid.

“It’s not sanctionable”

The Cantabrian cyclist was indignant after verifying how the events had transpired. “You say otherwise, and you and I might go back and forth about it, but on this occasion, it seems outrageous. If it’s not sanctionable, if he isn’t banned, then why make it public. The only thing that it can do is put a stain on cycling. To tell the truth, I’m getting a bit lost in cycling,” said David de la Fuente, who trained in Cantabria yesterday as if it were a normal day.

The cyclist cried out for uniformity of criteria. “Let me clarify, things that are positives are positives, but what isn’t banned, shouldn’t be made public, because it never stops staining this sport.”

The rider, who is still with Astana and who, probably, could be absorbed by the team directed by Josean Fernández Matxín next year with the Geox company, had no chance to speak with Alberto Contador yesterday. “I wasn’t able. What I want is for it to be resolved. Alberto is a champion.”

frenchfighter

And from the horse's mouth. Everything ties in very well and his information is most likely verifiable. It could be one elaborate cover story but I am not certainly one of those pessimistic conspiracy theorist type people.

José Luis López Cerrón, former cyclist from Valladolid and former directeur sportif of the Amaya and Seguros Vitalicio teams, among others, assured EFE today that he purchased the clenbuterol-contaminated meat that Alberto Contador ingested in the last Tour “in Irún” when he was travelling “on the way to Pau.”

“Every year I go to the Tour de France one or two days, and this time it coincided with the tribute to the Vuelta Ciclista a España in Pau, which was a place that was close to Spain as well,” said López Cerrón.

“When I was driving, I called Paco Olalla, the chef for Astana (Alberto Contador’s team), and Paco was a little annoyed because in Pau they’d been put up in a hotel in which they wouldn’t let him into the kitchen,” said Cerrón.

“He asked me for a tenderloin for the riders, I was on the freeway near San Sebastian and I exited at Irún. There I started wandering around until I found a butcher’s shop and bought a veal tenderloin,” he explained.

“When I got to Pau I gave it to Paco, who had to cook it on the bus,” as the chef himself confessed today to EFE, since they wouldn’t let him use “the services” of the hotel.

“I hope that everything is clarified because Alberto (Contador) is completely innocent,” concluded López Cerrón

iainf72

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69041Z20101001

He's talking a good game

frenchfighter

"If they want to test every sample I've given in the Tour, as many different laboratories as they want, or if they want to freeze it for three or five years until other future tests are scientifically validated and then check it, they can do it," he said. "I have nothing to hide."

polocini

Maybe he bought it from netto;


http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ir%C3%B ... 8&t=h&z=18

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