Chloe Victoria - X Factor contestant

rick_chasey

spen666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Spen - isn't the issue that when the public sees someone who clearly has serious problems - problems enough that she takes to prostitution to fund a drug habbit - rather than sympathise and try to help her, they do the opposite...

She shows no signs of wanting help.

Its a different matter and society would treat her differently if she was trying to do something about her drug habit.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. You don't know how tough or not it has been for her.

There's certainly a severe and sincere lack of compassion on your part.

As for self will and control - I thought it was pretty standard to throw that out of the window when it comes to drug addiction.

spen666

Rick Chasey wrote:

spen666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Spen - isn't the issue that when the public sees someone who clearly has serious problems - problems enough that she takes to prostitution to fund a drug habbit - rather than sympathise and try to help her, they do the opposite...

She shows no signs of wanting help.

Its a different matter and society would treat her differently if she was trying to do something about her drug habit.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. You don't know how tough or not it has been for her.

There's certainly a severe and sincere lack of compassion on your part.

As for self will and control - I thought it was pretty standard to throw that out of the window when it comes to drug addiction.

How tough it has been for her or not is irrelevant. By your logic she's had it tough therefore she can do whatever she likes. Sorry - NO. She is an adult and responsible for her own actions. Tough upbringing or not, no one but her is making her take the drugs or go on the game.

I have no compassion for someone who doesn't want to help themselves and whose response to the current situation is to increase her prices for escort work as she is now famous! That is exploiting her fame, not seeking to help herself.

She is the only one who can show self will and control for her actions. I am all for helping people to better themselves. My clients will tell you that. I have spent many hours unpaid helping those who need and want help to get out of their troubles. I am not going to lose sleep over someone who doesn't want help

Andy!

Linked to on the same page: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... k-run.html

what a contrast!

spen666

rake wrote:

what the hell do they see in him? :?
is there no part of the blame on the other halfs either, 15 of them have que'd up. what did they expect. its irrelevant what paper its reported in. its the state of britain today.

The more important question is, how does he get so many young ladies - what am I doing wrong?

fast as fupp

Andy! wrote:

Linked to on the same page: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... k-run.html

what a contrast!

how delightful!!

didnt stop the Sunday Heil going to town on her when they exposed her as an ex-pillhead.

rick_chasey

spen666 wrote:

How tough it has been for her or not is irrelevant. By your logic she's had it tough therefore she can do whatever she likes. Sorry - NO. She is an adult and responsible for her own actions. Tough upbringing or not, no one but her is making her take the drugs or go on the game.

I have no compassion for someone who doesn't want to help themselves and whose response to the current situation is to increase her prices for escort work as she is now famous! That is exploiting her fame, not seeking to help herself.

She is the only one who can show self will and control for her actions. I am all for helping people to better themselves. My clients will tell you that. I have spent many hours unpaid helping those who need and want help to get out of their troubles. I am not going to lose sleep over someone who doesn't want help

It's not quite what I mean. I'm not saying she has a license to so what she likes. I'm saying that a little compassion should be shown.

Ultimately, I don't think your stance is a constructive stance. Hating on people who are clearly finding life difficult, only worsens the situation.

I would even go as far as to say that just because people say they don't need help, doesn't mean they don't. Sometimes they need help to show them that things could be better, or that the way they behave now is deconstructive.

Your position leaves those who need help the most, as this women clearly does, even if she won't articulate that, in the lurch.

Anonymous

I dont think we can judge her too harshly, whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt ? We have no idea of her background or up-bringing. She is gobby, comes across as a total loon but she seems quite self destructive to me which is indicative of alot of problems we cannot see.

Food for thought ? I hope the integrity of cakestoppers will come through and knock the vein this thread has gone down on the head.

rdt

dmclite wrote:

Food for thought ? I hope the integrity of cakestoppers will come through and knock the vein this thread has gone down on the head.

None of this namby pamby trial by tabloid. The sooner a real Colosseum is opened, with real hungry lions and tigers to feed, the better.

Velonutter

dmclite wrote:

I dont think we can judge her too harshly, whatever happened to the benefit of the doubt ? We have no idea of her background or up-bringing. She is gobby, comes across as a total loon but she seems quite self destructive to me which is indicative of alot of problems we cannot see.

Food for thought ? I hope the integrity of cakestoppers will come through and knock the vein this thread has gone down on the head.

+1 Life has dealt her a different set of cards to a lot of us, so who are we to judge :roll:

spen666

Rick Chasey wrote:

spen666 wrote:

How tough it has been for her or not is irrelevant. By your logic she's had it tough therefore she can do whatever she likes. Sorry - NO. She is an adult and responsible for her own actions. Tough upbringing or not, no one but her is making her take the drugs or go on the game.

I have no compassion for someone who doesn't want to help themselves and whose response to the current situation is to increase her prices for escort work as she is now famous! That is exploiting her fame, not seeking to help herself.

She is the only one who can show self will and control for her actions. I am all for helping people to better themselves. My clients will tell you that. I have spent many hours unpaid helping those who need and want help to get out of their troubles. I am not going to lose sleep over someone who doesn't want help

It's not quite what I mean. I'm not saying she has a license to so what she likes. I'm saying that a little compassion should be shown.

Ultimately, I don't think your stance is a constructive stance. Hating on people who are clearly finding life difficult, only worsens the situation.

Erm please stop inventing things.

I do not hate this lady. Indeed if you read my first post on this thread, I took the OP to task re hating someone he doesn't know.

At no time have I said or even suggested I hate this lady.


As for her finding life difficult, where do you get that from. She is seemingly enjoying herself and her lifestyle. It may not be the lifestyle you choose, but that does not mean she is "clearly finding life difficult". In fact the evidence would suggest that she is not finding life difficult. She seems to be revelling in her life and her notoriety.
One may expect someone who is finding life difficult to be looking for help to change their life to make it less difficult.

I would even go as far as to say that just because people say they don't need help, doesn't mean they don't. Sometimes they need help to show them that things could be better, or that the way they behave now is deconstructive.

Ahhh right you want to force help on people who don't want it.

I would suggest you look at your view of compassion. Compassion is not forcing your views and values upon someone.

Its interesting you are clalling me for not being bothered what this lady does. Yet you are the one who is tring to maker her change even though she has given no indication of wanting to change

Your position leaves those who need help the most, as this women clearly does, even if she won't articulate that, in the lurch.

I'm not leaving anyone in the lurch. I am simply not forcing my views on anyone. If they want help I am more than happy to provide it.

I am not going to force my views on how life should be lived on someone. I believe in giving people as much freedom as we can propelry do and letting people choose their life

CyclingBantam

I'm surprised by some of the comments on here to be honest.

I'm surprised people have such strong feelings of "hate" based on an article from the mirror. I forget who was calling me a liar and pointing out "facts". To be very clear, there are no "facts". A picture of someone who "looks" like they are sniffing a White powder, isn't proof they take coke (of course I know she probably did but it does make me chuckle that the "facts line was brought up n

Someone mentioned they know what they are letting themselves in for on Popstars but that is my point. A lot of them really don't. Have you forgotten how you think you know everything at that age but get caught out badly.

My point isn't about this girl. Most people seem to have missed this nmy point is about the national press going to town on people who can't defend them selves which then leads to the nation "hating" them, as we have seen perfectly on here. Whilst you may hate her from a keyboard others may go further.

deptfordmarmoset

You know, I haven't the slightest idea who you're talking about and I'm not even going to bother finding out...

It doesn't happen often but sometimes ignorance, while not quite bliss, can actually be the best route to follow.

CyclingBantam

Spen, where is this evidence? Oh yeah, it's what's in the Mail isn't it. Silly me. Even the article claims she "apparently" told friends...

Not like anyone would make up some quotes for a good story is it.

This completely highlights my point why trial by the Mail isn't the way we want to go.

spen666

BenBlyth wrote:

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Someone mentioned they know what they are letting themselves in for on Popstars but that is my point. A lot of them really don't. Have you forgotten how you think you know everything at that age but get caught out badly.

I'm sorry but I think this argument is crap.

She is 19 years of age. She is an adult and is responsible for her actions.

At that age many young men and women are fighting and dying for their country in Afghanistand

At that age and younger thousands fought and many died in the 2nd World War and other wars in 20th and 21st century.

She is more than old enough to be responsible for whatever she chooses to do

My point isn't about this girl. Most people seem to have missed this nmy point is about the national press going to town on people who can't defend them selves which then leads to the nation "hating" them, as we have seen perfectly on here. Whilst you may hate her from a keyboard others may go further.

Again this argument is based on a load of rubbish. This is a lady who repeatedly seeks out publicity viz her choice to go on Snog Marry Avoid and now on the X Factor.

The media did not seek out somer shy retiring wallflower in Wakefield. They have simply provided the details of the behaviour of someone who is seeking to use the media to her advantage.

Either she avoids trying to get publicity or she takes the risk of her behaviour becoming known.

She is old enough to be able to make such a choice.

I have no sympathy for her behaviour being exposed when it was her who sought the oxygen of publicity

spen666

BenBlyth wrote:

Spen, where is this evidence? Oh yeah, it's what's in the Mail isn't it. Silly me. Even the article claims she "apparently" told friends...

Not like anyone would make up some quotes for a good story is it.

This completely highlights my point why trial by the Mail isn't the way we want to go.

Go back and read where the evidence is. Its there for you to see. Look on the internet at her own pages on facebook, bebo, her escort adverts etc.

But hey, you ignored this when I posted it earlier. Its inconvenient isn't it that the truth undermines your argument

Interewsting how you keep blaming the Daily Mail for a story published initially by the Daily Mirror. That is a bit of an irritant isn't it as it doesn't fit in with your horrid right wing press attacks?

spen666

BenBlyth wrote:

..... Whilst you may hate her from a keyboard others may go further.

Now on fantasy bikeradar BenBlyth is going to tell us why we are all going to attack people on TV based on his vivid imagination only


Better not let people know what is happening because some fantasy person in Ben's imagination may possibly do something.

Get real

singlespeedexplosif

Now it's that type of behaviour that's bringing this county to it's knees
oh, the humanity


She is 19 years of age. She is an adult and is responsible for her actions.

At that age many young men and women are fighting and dying for their country in Afghanistand

Who's to say that she wouldn't fight and die for her country if it were invaded too? We're fortunate that we're not in the same position as the Afghans.

CyclingBantam

spen666 wrote:

BenBlyth wrote:

..... Whilst you may hate her from a keyboard others may go further.

Now on fantasy bikeradar BenBlyth is going to tell us why we are all going to attack people on TV based on his vivid imagination only


Better not let people know what is happening because some fantasy person in Ben's imagination may possibly do something.

Get real

So the attacks following the News of the Worlds article exposing pedophiles resulting in a pediatricion didn't happen?

Spen, as I have said three times now, this case is irrelevant, my point is about trial by media. Look how worked up you have got following a paper article. I don't know why you keep mentioning right wing press. They are all as bad as each other.

Cleat Eastwood

Spen



Calm down Calm down.

spen666

BenBlyth wrote:

spen666 wrote:

BenBlyth wrote:

..... Whilst you may hate her from a keyboard others may go further.

Now on fantasy bikeradar BenBlyth is going to tell us why we are all going to attack people on TV based on his vivid imagination only


Better not let people know what is happening because some fantasy person in Ben's imagination may possibly do something.

Get real

So the attacks following the News of the Worlds article exposing pedophiles resulting in a pediatricion didn't happen?

Funny that, I never knew this lady was attacked as a result of an article on paedophiles!!!


You forget that in one case the subject of the newspaper article had positively sought to expose publicity for her gain. not in the other case though

Spen, as I have said three times now, this case is irrelevant, my point is about trial by media. Look how worked up you have got following a paper article. I don't know why you keep mentioning right wing press. They are all as bad as each other.

you are the one who keep mentioning the right wing press not me.

Trial by media is perfectly fair when the person on trial is seeking to exploit the media for their own gain as this lady was/is.
If she chooses to use the media for her gain, she can't complain when it comes around and bites her.

She was so naive as you claim, yet she was wise enough to up her escort rates by 50% after appearing on TV. Sounds naiuve that doesn't it

Chip \'oyler

TBH I think Chloe Mafia or whatever she calls herself is good entertainment - I think she's hilarious.

CyclingBantam

Eh? I didn't bring up the right wing/left wing thing at all! We are not going to agree and as soon as we start getting in to this misquoting, we end up arguing for the sake of it so i will leave it here. I've tried to be clear with my view.

Stewie Griffin

That was hard work. I have forgotten whose side I'm on.

spen666

Stewie Griffin wrote:

That was hard work. I have forgotten whose side I'm on.

I'm on his side

mrushton

There you go, 3 pages on a Bike Forum so imagine what Heat/Nutz/Grazia etc can do. She is someone looking for the ticket out. She prob.can't get off with a footballer or a banker but TV opens a possible path. Jordan (aka K.Price) is prob.her role model along with Jade Goody. The media love it, X Factor loves it (Simon Cowell owns X Factor) so anything that gets YouTube going and generates viewing figures is good. No doubt Max Clifford will be offering his services as her media rep.should things develop.

Mr_Cellophane

She couldn't sing very well anyway.

Did anyone notice how many other contestants had their occupation as "Single mum"

£250 an hour - that puts her way over Wayne Roonie's price.

Chip \'oyler

Mr_Cellophane wrote:

She couldn't sing very well anyway.

Did anyone notice how many other contestants had their occupation as "Single mum"

£250 an hour - that puts her way over Wayne Roonie's price.

Isn't she way too young for him?

tebbit

Chip \'oyler wrote:

Mr_Cellophane wrote:

She couldn't sing very well anyway.

Did anyone notice how many other contestants had their occupation as "Single mum"

£250 an hour - that puts her way over Wayne Roonie's price.

Isn't she way too young for him?

Not according to his latest exploits

Gazzaputt

BenBlyth wrote:

Eh? I didn't bring up the right wing/left wing thing at all! We are not going to agree and as soon as we start getting in to this misquoting, we end up arguing for the sake of it so i will leave it here. I've tried to be clear with my view.

I reckon you have a real soft spot for her

Not for me bit OTT with make up but does dress slutty

Ands

Gazzaputt wrote:

Not for me bit OTT with make up but does dress slutty

You'll like her Snog, Marry, Avoid appearance then. :shock:
http://popdash.com/news/1809/video-x-fa ... arry-avoid
(from 1min 50sec in)