Scottish football

Smokin Joe

pneumatic wrote:

Smokin Joe wrote:

The biggest opposition to Celtic and Rangers joining the EPL would come from the English police forces, particularly the Met. They don't fancy 1970's style violence on their patch every week of the football season..

Interesting bit of stereotyping there!

By that logic, Liverpool should never be allowed to play any games outside Stanley Park, in case there was another Heysel.

Or, for that matter, Wolves fans stoning the Notts County buses on Wednesday night should mean Wolves never being allowed to play at home again.

I have in mind two images from Euro 92:

1. A Scottish fan kissing a female police officer through the security fence.
2. A group of England fans kicking a Swedish bloke in the head whilst he was already unconscious on the ground.

I could easily make generalisations based on that, but they wouldn't be fair.

It isn't a generalisation, it is a fact that the Met are opposed to Celtic and Rangers fans making regular visits to the capital, and other police forces have voiced concerns too. And if I gave the impression that I thought Scottish supporters were a violent lot then I apologise. It takes two to tango and the supporters of English clubs would be just as willing to take on the "Auld Enemy" as the Scots fans would be. The fixtures would be a recipe for serious trouble.

pneumatic

Smokin Joe wrote:

pneumatic wrote:

Interesting bit of stereotyping there! I could easily make generalisations based on that, but they wouldn't be fair.

It isn't a generalisation, it is a fact that the Met are opposed to Celtic and Rangers fans making regular visits to the capital, and other police forces have voiced concerns too. .

No offence taken; I think you have raised in interesting point.

On what grounds do the English Police fear Glaswegians? Could it be similar ones that once led them to assume that they had to stop and search people with dark skin or Irish accents?

Smokin Joe

pneumatic wrote:

Smokin Joe wrote:

pneumatic wrote:

Interesting bit of stereotyping there! I could easily make generalisations based on that, but they wouldn't be fair.

It isn't a generalisation, it is a fact that the Met are opposed to Celtic and Rangers fans making regular visits to the capital, and other police forces have voiced concerns too. .

No offence taken; I think you have raised in interesting point.

On what grounds do the English Police fear Glaswegians? Could it be similar ones that once led them to assume that they had to stop and search people with dark skin or Irish accents?

It isn't that they particularly fear the Glaswegians, but they know that there are enough hooligans on both sides who would relish a chance to take the traditional English/Scottish rivalry onto the streets. There are similar concerns at certain English fixtures which always lead to serious trouble, West ham/Milwall for example, but there is nothing they can do to prevent that.

Smokin Joe

Smokin Joe wrote:

pneumatic wrote:

Smokin Joe wrote:

pneumatic wrote:

Interesting bit of stereotyping there! I could easily make generalisations based on that, but they wouldn't be fair.

It isn't a generalisation, it is a fact that the Met are opposed to Celtic and Rangers fans making regular visits to the capital, and other police forces have voiced concerns too. .

No offence taken; I think you have raised in interesting point.

On what grounds do the English Police fear Glaswegians? Could it be similar ones that once led them to assume that they had to stop and search people with dark skin or Irish accents?

It isn't that they particularly fear the Glaswegians, but they know that there are enough hooligans on both sides who would relish a chance to take the traditional English/Scottish rivalry onto the streets. There are similar concerns at certain English fixtures which always lead to serious trouble, West ham/Milwall for example, but there is nothing they can do to prevent that.

finchy

pneumatic wrote:

I have in mind two images from Euro 92:

1. A Scottish fan kissing a female police officer through the security fence.
2. A group of England fans kicking a Swedish bloke in the head whilst he was already unconscious on the ground.

I could easily make generalisations based on that, but they wouldn't be fair.

Was it a "Glasgow kiss"?

holmeboy

The MIGHTY MIGHT MAN UMIGHTY 0 little Scottish inferior Glasgow Rangers 0

finchy

holmeboy wrote:

The MIGHTY MIGHT MAN UMIGHTY Reserves 0 little Scottish inferior Glasgow Rangers 0

Corrected that one for you.

Stewie Griffin

Weren't Rangers fans bussed in, penned in Wigan somewhere & bussed straight out after their CL game in Manchester?

As for the Met Police they probably remember you (yes you Pneumatic) smashing up Wembley last time we invited you down.

Of course I'm aware that English football fans can be in the top drawer of Dick heads too, its just Pneumatic & his jammy club side :evil:

Ben6899

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3D16kwXcaM

daviesee

Stewie Griffin wrote:

As for the Met Police they probably remember you (yes you Pneumatic) smashing up Wembley last time we invited you down.
[/quote
Actually, you are thinking of 1977. Way before the last time.

That was 1999 when we won 1-0 in what was the last competitive match before Wembley was torn down. That rather spoiled the party. There was a quickly arranged friendly with Germany so you could go out with a win

To be fair though, Paul Scholes had already done the damage at Hampden and we were knocked out. Again.

pneumatic

daviesee wrote:

Stewie Griffin wrote:

As for the Met Police they probably remember you (yes you Pneumatic) smashing up Wembley last time we invited you down.
[/quote
Actually, you are thinking of 1977. Way before the last time.

That was 1999 when we won 1-0 in what was the last competitive match before Wembley was torn down. That rather spoiled the party. There was a quickly arranged friendly with Germany so you could go out with a win

To be fair though, Paul Scholes had already done the damage at Hampden and we were knocked out. Again.

That was one of the best days of my sad footy obsessed life. Trafalgar Square, Wembley Way, absolute mayhem all night long in the away fans' segment. And we won the match! But, as Davie points out, we lost the tie, as usual What made it worse was that it was the Arsenal goalie that prevented us from equalising when we had the momentum to go on and win it!

Growing up down South, I'd been to the old Wembley 4 times to watch Arsenal and never seen them win; to go there and see Scotland beat England was the fulfilment of a boyhood dream. .

nwallace

Stewie Griffin wrote:

How many "difficult" games do they play each season now? Hearts and each other,

Hearts?

Best of the rest this year could still be almost anyone.

daviesee

daviesee wrote:

Stewie Griffin wrote:

As for the Met Police they probably remember you (yes you Pneumatic) smashing up Wembley last time we invited you down.
[/quote
Actually, you are thinking of 1977. Way before the last time.

That was 1999 when we won 1-0 in what was the last competitive match before Wembley was torn down. That rather spoiled the party. There was a quickly arranged friendly with Germany so you could go out with a win

To be fair though, Paul Scholes had already done the damage at Hampden and we were knocked out. Again.

Actually, I will correct myself on that. It was not "again", it was the start of the demise as we had qualified for the '98 World Cup. The last time we qualified for anything

Still. There is always 2026.........

nwallace

Oh dear, Scottish Referees...

Brian Winters gave a Saints player a 2nd yellow then failed to send the guy off even after checking with his linesmen and 4th official.

:?

deptfordmarmoset

This is probably completely off-topic, but I've got the impression that the SFA opposes a Brit Olympic football team more through fear of getting marginalised than a lack of trust in the more-populous English. (Personally, I don't think the English are more twattish than the Scots, it's just that there are more English twats simply because there are more English....) I realise a (completely justified) distrust of Sepp Blatter plays a part in this, but I wonder whether the problem is more to do with our lack of faith in FIFA/UEFA than between Scotland and England. (Personally again, I'd rather see the best UK team at the Olympics and the best UK teams competing individually in Euro/World competitions.)

EDIT: I didn't write ''foolish'' - but that's what the censors changed it to. I wrote ''twâttish'' only without the accent.

nwallace

FIFA and UEFA Legally the home nations are an anomaly.
No new members will be admitted unless they represent a sovereign state.
There are a few other FA's that represent non-states however to turf them out FIFA can't apply their new rules (made to keep Gibraltar out) retrospectively without annoying half of IFAB (Who set the rules and is made up of the home nations (FA, SFA, Irish FA (Not FAoI) and FAoW) and 4 FIFA reps) by chucking out all of the home nations.

Having a GB Football team in the Olympics therefore gives FIFA members a hint that an FA of GB&NI is a possibility and retrospectively chuck out all the non-states.

deptfordmarmoset

nwallace wrote:

FIFA and UEFA Legally the home nations are an anomaly.
No new members will be admitted unless they represent a sovereign state.
There are a few other FA's that represent non-states however to turf them out FIFA can't apply their new rules (made to keep Gibraltar out) retrospectively without annoying half of IFAB (Who set the rules and is made up of the home nations (FA, SFA, Irish FA (Not FAoI) and FAoW) and 4 FIFA reps) by chucking out all of the home nations.

Having a GB Football team in the Olympics therefore gives FIFA members a hint that an FA of GB&NI is a possibility and retrospectively chuck out all the non-states.

Yes, my concern though is that external bodies (UEFA and FIFA) have a corrosive effect on internal UK footballing affairs. We're divided by a fear of something outside not something internal to the UK. Legally, the home nations are indeed an anomaly but our respective associations have a strong precedent - we got there first.

nwallace

deptfordmarmoset wrote:

nwallace wrote:

FIFA and UEFA Legally the home nations are an anomaly.
No new members will be admitted unless they represent a sovereign state.
There are a few other FA's that represent non-states however to turf them out FIFA can't apply their new rules (made to keep Gibraltar out) retrospectively without annoying half of IFAB (Who set the rules and is made up of the home nations (FA, SFA, Irish FA (Not FAoI) and FAoW) and 4 FIFA reps) by chucking out all of the home nations.

Having a GB Football team in the Olympics therefore gives FIFA members a hint that an FA of GB&NI is a possibility and retrospectively chuck out all the non-states.

Yes, my concern though is that external bodies (UEFA and FIFA) have a corrosive effect on internal UK footballing affairs. We're divided by a fear of something outside not something internal to the UK. Legally, the home nations are indeed an anomaly but our respective associations have a strong precedent - we got there first.

Aye but "It's oor game and yir no playing" isn't likely to work if the FIFA guys annoy the other IFAB members.

Apparently it's also the FIFA members that have been voting down "radical" changes.
Like Goal Line technology.

bearfraser

S.F.L:

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is crap Yes !!!!!! but surley its up to the supporter to vote with there feet and tell them its time to get real and employ some local talent and not all those overpaid tw@s from various parts of the world (was it last season that there wasnt a single scot in an old firm derby

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WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) :evil: :evil: :evil:

Smokin Joe

IMO Scottish football went down the pan after they went from two decent sized divisions to the present four in which a handful of teams play each other God knows how many times a season.

daviesee

bearfraser wrote:

S.F.L:

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is crap Yes !!!!!! but surley its up to the supporter to vote with there feet and tell them its time to get real and employ some local talent and not all those overpaid tw@s from various parts of the world (was it last season that there wasnt a single scot in an old firm derby

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WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) :evil: :evil: :evil:

Couldn't have been.
Rangers went down that dark road in the '90's so maybe then but financial restraints means that they have had a lot of home grown players for years.
Celtic under Tony Mowbray was a distinct possibility though.

nwallace

bearfraser wrote:

S.F.L:

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is crap Yes !!!!!! but surley its up to the supporter to vote with there feet and tell them its time to get real and employ some local talent and not all those overpaid tw@s from various parts of the world (was it last season that there wasnt a single scot in an old firm derby

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WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) :evil: :evil: :evil:

hold on, you have just described the EPL as well.

Stewie Griffin

nwallace wrote:

bearfraser wrote:

S.F.L:

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is crap Yes !!!!!! but surley its up to the supporter to vote with there feet and tell them its time to get real and employ some local talent and not all those overpaid tw@s from various parts of the world (was it last season that there wasnt a single scot in an old firm derby

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WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) :evil: :evil: :evil:

hold on, you have just described the EPL as well.

No, he may have just described the ar5e but not my club, we can field an English born 11 8)

-spider-

Smokin Joe wrote:

IMO Scottish football went down the pan after they went from two decent sized divisions to the present four in which a handful of teams play each other God knows how many times a season.

Aye. Bring back Third Lanark FC

daviesee

-spider- wrote:

Smokin Joe wrote:

IMO Scottish football went down the pan after they went from two decent sized divisions to the present four in which a handful of teams play each other God knows how many times a season.

Aye. Bring back Third Lanark FC

Funny you should say that.........

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/edito ... -22584505/

nadir

Stewie Griffin wrote:

Weren't Rangers fans bussed in, penned in Wigan somewhere & bussed straight out after their CL game in Manchester?

As for the Met Police they probably remember you (yes you Pneumatic) smashing up Wembley last time we invited you down.

Of course I'm aware that English football fans can be in the top drawer of Dick heads too, its just Pneumatic & his jammy club side :evil:

whilst deploring the rangers fans behaviour on the night of the uefa cup final in manchester, i would point to the fact that the club game in scotland has had only minor problems with hooligans since the early 80s, i was in seville in 2003 when 70,000 celtic fans took part in the peaceful and friendly occupation of the city, also i`d point out that the behaviour of the tartan army, aside from the odd bit of booing at god save the queen, has been beyond reproach and they have been almost universally welcomed where ever they go.

i think stewie is having some serious problems with denial, if he can start throwing shit about hooligans and and the "smashing up" of wembley in 77, they invaded the pitch, harmed no one, dug up a little bit of turf, and the crossbar collapsed when too many people sat on it, hardly atilla and his huns.
if i could be arsed i could run through the litanies to the behaviours of english fans- both club and national side-over the past 30 years. but hey, i got work in the morning, i`ll do it when i retire, would only take a few fucking years to type it all in

sheepworryingbhoy

Well said nadir! Look no further
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11433327

While the game in Scotland is currently of poor quality, thankfully crowd trouble is not a frequent thing.

I was also in Seville in 2003 where as a consequence we recieved the Fair play award from UEFA & an open letter of thank-you from the town mayor (not many fans can say that). I stayed on for a couple of days & many tourists/locals constantly shoke my hand & thanked us for visiting their city.

Scotland still produce loads of talanted youngsters/youths but when they make that final step up to first team football seem to cease progressing; mainly because there is too much pressure on getting a result & less importance on the performance.

Stewie Griffin

nadir wrote:

Stewie Griffin wrote:

Weren't Rangers fans bussed in, penned in Wigan somewhere & bussed straight out after their CL game in Manchester?

As for the Met Police they probably remember you (yes you Pneumatic) smashing up Wembley last time we invited you down.

Of course I'm aware that English football fans can be in the top drawer of Dick heads too, its just Pneumatic & his jammy club side :evil:

whilst deploring the rangers fans behaviour on the night of the uefa cup final in manchester, i would point to the fact that the club game in scotland has had only minor problems with hooligans since the early 80s, i was in seville in 2003 when 70,000 celtic fans took part in the peaceful and friendly occupation of the city, also i`d point out that the behaviour of the tartan army, aside from the odd bit of booing at god save the queen, has been beyond reproach and they have been almost universally welcomed where ever they go.

i think stewie is having some serious problems with denial, if he can start throwing shoot about hooligans and and the "smashing up" of wembley in 77, they invaded the pitch, harmed no one, dug up a little bit of turf, and the crossbar collapsed when too many people sat on it, hardly atilla and his huns.
if i could be arsed i could run through the litanies to the behaviours of english fans- both club and national side-over the past 30 years. but hey, i got work in the morning, i`ll do it when i retire, would only take a few ******* years to type it all in

Thankfully the person I was clearly having a laugh with took my post in the way I intended it to be taken. :roll:

Aggieboy

Stewie Griffin wrote:

nadir wrote:

Stewie Griffin wrote:

Weren't Rangers fans bussed in, penned in Wigan somewhere & bussed straight out after their CL game in Manchester?

As for the Met Police they probably remember you (yes you Pneumatic) smashing up Wembley last time we invited you down.

Of course I'm aware that English football fans can be in the top drawer of Dick heads too, its just Pneumatic & his jammy club side :evil:

whilst deploring the rangers fans behaviour on the night of the uefa cup final in manchester, i would point to the fact that the club game in scotland has had only minor problems with hooligans since the early 80s, i was in seville in 2003 when 70,000 celtic fans took part in the peaceful and friendly occupation of the city, also i`d point out that the behaviour of the tartan army, aside from the odd bit of booing at god save the queen, has been beyond reproach and they have been almost universally welcomed where ever they go.

i think stewie is having some serious problems with denial, if he can start throwing shoot about hooligans and and the "smashing up" of wembley in 77, they invaded the pitch, harmed no one, dug up a little bit of turf, and the crossbar collapsed when too many people sat on it, hardly atilla and his huns.
if i could be arsed i could run through the litanies to the behaviours of english fans- both club and national side-over the past 30 years. but hey, i got work in the morning, i`ll do it when i retire, would only take a few ******* years to type it all in

He's a bit depressed at the moment, please make allowances.

Stewie Griffin

I hope you noticed I eventually posted on your thread Aggieboy :evil:

See the winky Nadir? It means a laugh is being had, chips are not to be balanced on shoulders.