I'm now in love with every road bike this company makes!
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_Brun_ wrote:I like cubist bikes but the wheels make for a harsh ride.
You're a skinny-jean-wearing-shoredicth-graphic-design-mogul-hipster type. What's you're view on the post-modern approach of some carbon bikes compared the more contemporary examples and the re-emergence of classic steel frames.
Discuss.
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Out of interest, why does a curvy frame make some bikes 'post-modern'?
I would have thought all carbon frames are 'modern' and the craze for fixies etc as being 'post-modern'.0 -
Yep, that's me alright. Despite never owning skinny jeans, ever intentionally going near shoreditch, not being a graphic designer, and having a perfectly symmetrical hairstyle (style being used in the very loosest sense of the word).DonDaddyD wrote:_Brun_ wrote:I like cubist bikes but the wheels make for a harsh ride.
You're a skinny-jean-wearing-shoredicth-graphic-design-mogul-hipster type.
^ This, is bollocks. Bikes are emphatically not art. Their form is dictated almost exclusively by function, leaving the designers a tiny bit of scope for mucking about with the aesthetics. Which in the case of contemporary road bikes, they generally do quite badly.DonDaddyD wrote:What's you're view on the post-modern approach of some carbon bikes compared the more contemporary examples and the re-emergence of classic steel frames.
You might as well compare a Gillette Fusion with an old safety razor. Does anyone know what hipsters use to trim their little moustaches?0 -
_Brun_ wrote:
Yep, that's me alright. Despite never owning skinny jeans, ever intentionally going near shoreditch, not being a graphic designer, and having a perfectly symmetrical hairstyle (style being used in the very loosest sense of the word).DonDaddyD wrote:_Brun_ wrote:I like cubist bikes but the wheels make for a harsh ride.
You're a skinny-jean-wearing-shoredicth-graphic-design-mogul-hipster type.
^ This, is bollocks. Bikes are emphatically not art. Their form is dictated almost exclusively by function, leaving the designers a tiny bit of scope for mucking about with the aesthetics. Which in the case of contemporary road bikes, they generally do quite badly.DonDaddyD wrote:What's you're view on the post-modern approach of some carbon bikes compared the more contemporary examples and the re-emergence of classic steel frames.
You might as well compare a Gillette Fusion with an old safety razor. Does anyone know what hipsters use to trim their little moustaches?
Interesting (seriously)
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_Brun_ wrote:^ This, is bollocks. Bikes are emphatically not art. Their form is dictated almost exclusively by function, leaving the designers a tiny bit of scope for mucking about with the aesthetics. Which in the case of contemporary road bikes, they generally do quite badly.
You might as well compare a Gillette Fusion with an old safety razor. Does anyone know what hipsters use to trim their little moustaches?
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Brun. I'd also suggest to the moustachioed hipsters that this would make the ideal trimming implement. Making sure they take a run up.
DDD, by and large I'm not crazy about the bikes you list. I can appreciate them and admire them but they're not, on the whole, what I want my bikes to look like. I bet most of them are great fun to ride.0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:
Define art?
Actually, can we not? Thanks!0 -
biondino wrote:_Brun_ wrote:^ This, is bollocks. Bikes are emphatically not art. Their form is dictated almost exclusively by function, leaving the designers a tiny bit of scope for mucking about with the aesthetics. Which in the case of contemporary road bikes, they generally do quite badly.
You might as well compare a Gillette Fusion with an old safety razor. Does anyone know what hipsters use to trim their little moustaches?
I Brun.
Yeah, the guy's on form today!
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Your bog-standard, mass-produced bike? No not a great deal of art in those, but some of those frames on that Frameforum link I'd say have a bit of art to them. Or at the very least a hell of a lot of craft. Where you put the art/craft divide is a difficult one, but there's no denying that those fancy lugs are more than purely functional.
Looking at it from an architectural point of view, you could say that a straight-tubed steel frame was analogous to a modernist building*, while the more curvilinear carbon frames are closer to buildings like this
Graz Art Museum by Peter Cook (not Pete & Dud, the architect), which I think most architectural commentators and art historians would agree is a post-modern building.
* modernism is actually nearly 100 years old as an artistic/design movement/style, so it's not very modern to be a modernist. :?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Blondie, why?
I'm enjoying this expansive conversation.
Surely if we can look at something that has clearly been designed and our opinion of it is subjective, you can argue that it is art irrespective of whether it was created for a functional purpose.
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For something to be art, i think the creator of that thing should at least have intended it to be art.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:For something to be art, i think the creator of that thing should at least have intended it to be art.
Isn't that pretentious?
If you really wanted to pick that comment apart you'd then ask what is art? Is it a painting, a sculpture or something that looks pretty. To me there are some Bianchi's that are more pleasing to the eye than many of the paintings hanging in the Tate.
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rjsterry wrote:For something to be art, i think the creator of that thing should at least have intended it to be art.
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Sewinman wrote:Out of interest, why does a curvy frame make some bikes 'post-modern'?
I would have thought all carbon frames are 'modern' and the craze for fixies etc as being 'post-modern'.
It's been a while since I studied post-modernism (Film and TV studies - BA).
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DonDaddyD wrote:rjsterry wrote:For something to be art, i think the creator of that thing should at least have intended it to be art.
Isn't that pretentious?
If you really wanted to pick that comment apart you'd then ask what is art? Is it a painting, a sculpture or something that looks pretty. To me there are some Bianchi's that are more pleasing to the eye than many of the paintings hanging in the Tate.
Are women therefore a work of art, designed by god?
It's not a complete definition, and you didn't ask for a definition of good art. Why should art be pleasing to the eye?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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DonDaddyD wrote:Sewinman wrote:Out of interest, why does a curvy frame make some bikes 'post-modern'?
I would have thought all carbon frames are 'modern' and the craze for fixies etc as being 'post-modern'.
It's been a while since I studied post-modernism (Film and TV studies - BA).
I just said it because it sounded cool. Honesty is the best policy! 0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:Are women therefore a work of art, designed by god?
Ugh.0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:rjsterry wrote:For something to be art, i think the creator of that thing should at least have intended it to be art.
Isn't that pretentious?
What, art? Yeah usually in my experience
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A Kuota is not art but it does have its artistic equivalent.......
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Woah. Where can I get that put on a t-shirt?0
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_Brun_ wrote:Woah. Where can I get that put on a t-shirt?
A black one? You're not ready for that.
You need to regrow your beard and gain about 80% of your body weight first.0 -
You know that bit about art not having to necessarily be good art...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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oscarbudgie wrote:A Kuota is not art but it does have its artistic equivalent.......
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The swan is saying, "I'd stay where you are love. There's nothing worth getting up for."1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Why does Brun want it on a T-shirt
Why is LiT telling him that he needs to loose wait.
What's the significance of the image to Kuota?
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A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:Why does Brun want it on a T-shirt
Why is LiT telling him that he needs to loose wait.
What's the significance of the image to Kuota?
I'm lost...
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DDD got to agree with you about Kharma's but it seems some people have no respect for style.
Scroll down on the link below and you'll find my Kharma
http://www.acme-wheelers.co.uk/photo-ga ... rance-2010A punctured bicycle
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rjsterry wrote:For something to be art, i think the creator of that thing should at least have intended it to be art.
But on the other hand, just because the creator intended it to be art, doesn't mean it is.
Neither is something art just because the 'art world' decide it is.
The above comments can be considered against everything that Tracy Emin has ever produced for proof I speak the truth
Seriously, there is a lot of confusion between true art and 'something that looks nice on the wall'. Craft and art are two different thingsFaster than a tent.......0 -
I found this, and I declare it art!
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