Mr Blair's Donation

Buckled_Rims

I think Blair is trying to buy his way into heaven! I honestly think he has so much blood on his hands, he can't see his real colour.

He and Bush have devastated Iraq. We are talking about ordinary people who only want a job, education and health for their children in an oil rich country. Today, another 50 odd people have been blown to bits. Someone will have to shovel up bits of human bodies. Have you ever seen bits of flesh and bones burned and ripped? How many were injured? We will never know or indeed care.

To Blair he's an idealist who pretends to care, yet can't see or accept the utter misery he has caused. Blair turns up and announces he'll be donating "something" to the British Legion. Yet, is this a charitable donation? Is he paying it himself or through his charity or from his business? What even constitutes his idea of donation from profits - is it after his travel expenses, etc?

Blair is a liar. His donation smells of BS.

My own feeling is this will hurt the British Legion's excellent work in many peoples eyes. Accepting a donation from a man who is complicit in injuring it's own members really is ******!

Cressers

Yes you should have, it needs to be said.

And the fact it is left to the RBL to pick up the peices rather than the MOD is a damning reflection upon the state of the nation post Blair/Brown.

jim453

Bathroom's not getting clean.

I'm no Blair fan. However, what would the previous two posters like to see him do?/have done to him?

Cressers

I'd like to see him on trial in The Hague, assuming I didn't get to him first and ram his ID card up there so hard that he chokes on it.

1footedninja

Admit that he is part of an elite cabal of human beings who believe they have the given right to control the worlds populace and are slowly eroding and eradicating all human freedoms with the end result being a more totalitarian one world government. (oh no! not the NWO conspiracy fact again! - quick! get your tinfoil hats on lads!) .... Not likely to happen though is it!

Be held up as a war criminal - which he is....... highly doubt that will happen also.

So yes, keep giving those donations Tony , great little bit of blinkering going on there by your spindoctors, whom you/your bankers/accountants pay huge sums of money too, to create 'the illusion of being one of the good guys'.

rick_chasey

Cressers wrote:

I'd like to see him on trial in The Hague, assuming I didn't get to him first and ram his ID card up there so hard that he chokes on it.

If anyone goes to Den Haag they have to carry some form of ID at all times, which if you're a tourist, is your passport FYI.

rick_chasey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime

Out if interest, how is Blair a war criminal?

War crimes are crimes comitted in the midst of a war (like shooting someone who is holding up a white flag) - not the declaration of one.

jim453

Buckled_Rims wrote:

I think Blair is trying to buy his way into heaven! I honestly think he has so much blood on his hands, he can't see his real colour.

He and Bush have devastated Iraq. We are talking about ordinary people who only want a job, education and health for their children in an oil rich country. Today, another 50 odd people have been blown to bits. Someone will have to shovel up bits of human bodies. Have you ever seen bits of flesh and bones burned and ripped? How many were injured? We will never know or indeed care.

To Blair he's an idealist who pretends to care, yet can't see or accept the utter misery he has caused. Blair turns up and announces he'll be donating "something" to the British Legion. Yet, is this a charitable donation? Is he paying it himself or through his charity or from his business? What even constitutes his idea of donation from profits - is it after his travel expenses, etc?

Blair is a liar. His donation smells of BS.

My own feeling is this will hurt the British Legion's excellent work in many peoples eyes. Accepting a donation from a man who is complicit in injuring it's own members really is ******!

This is ever so slightly hysterical.

Let's not forget that the members of the RBL are servicemen and women who's job it is/was to do the bidding of the government. Like it or not.

Are any wars just and their outcomes favourable? even in such a conflict servicemen/women would fall casualty. Would their 'blood' be on the hands of the victorious PM / President? Would it be wrong for a political leader in such a case to donate to organisations such as the RBL.

The RBL is not picking up any pieces and is in no way sullied by accepting this donation.

1footedninja

'The man who believes he is truly free is the most imprisioned' - which is why I know I am not free - but of course I do have freedom also, such is the paradox.

I still have a mind and can voice my opinions.




One man's take on things

Tony Blair - WAR CRIMINAL (Another persons take on things-gets slightly preachy-godbothering)

GiantMike

jim453 wrote:

I'm no Blair fan. However, what would the previous two posters like to see him do?/have done to him?

jim453

Ninja,

you need help. Make a cup of tea, sit down and try to relax.

1footedninja

jim453 - 'you need help ?' - (as in possibly referring to myself as needing help).

What a quite preposterous statement - you do not know me therefore do not know if I need 'help' or not.

How very very odd of you to say this.

As far as the cup of tea goes , aye yeah all for that.

And I'm perfectly relaxed , again how very very odd of you to comment in this way.



Robert Anton WIlson explains Quantum Physics

jim453

Sorry Ninja,

Wasn't really being serious. Your posts seem a little 'out there' that's all.

Liked the link on quantum physics.

1footedninja

De nada jim453.

It's all 'out there' - if you get my drift.

Naive realism (so many think this way, without even knowing they do) - once you get onto 'illusion', which creates a problem for naive realists, because it suggests that our senses are infact fallible, you can kinda see how those in 'positions of power' use this 'precept of illusion' to their advantage - as the ol' possibly said by Abe Lincoln saying goes 'You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time' and as George Dubya Bush said 'You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on' and as Bob Marley said 'You can fool some people sometimes, But you can't fool all the people all the time'.

and as possibly said by P.T Barnum 'There's a sucker born every minute'

as the latin proverb goes 'Mundus Vult Decipi, ergo decipiatur'

Basically to believe that only you, as one individual, has all the answers is slighty deluded.

This also works in the same way for supposed Democratical governments and tyrannies alike.

Empirical research still ongoing... everything is subject to interpretation.

Blair still = EVIL - Fabian society - Wolf in Sheeps clothing symbolism - Socialism - Doubletalk - doublethink -

"One reason I changed the Labour Party is so that we can remain true to our principles." Tony Blair

"The single most important two things we can do..." Tony Blair

"It's all very well being a pacifist. But to be a pacifist after September 11, that's something different. It's all new now: terrible threat, terrorist weapons, terrorist states. That is what people here have to understand." Tony Blair on 10/3/03 at Downing Street

Now go kill for me, make me rich!!!

Because the UK is still stuck in the dark ages of plur­al­ity vot­ing (and New Labour broke its mani­festo pledge of elect­oral reform) con­trol of Bri­tain will simply pass from one wolf to another.

Buckled_Rims

jim453 wrote:

Buckled_Rims wrote:

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My own feeling is this will hurt the British Legion's excellent work in many peoples eyes. Accepting a donation from a man who is complicit in injuring it's own members really is ******!

This is ever so slightly hysterical.

Let's not forget that the members of the RBL are servicemen and women who's job it is/was to do the bidding of the government. Like it or not.

Are any wars just and their outcomes favourable? even in such a conflict servicemen/women would fall casualty. Would their 'blood' be on the hands of the victorious PM / President? Would it be wrong for a political leader in such a case to donate to organisations such as the RBL.

The RBL is not picking up any pieces and is in no way sullied by accepting this donation.

Wars are never right, but it's the weak politicians who cause them (Blair).

Jim, can you honestly say in your heart, that there wasn't another way to get Saddam out without causing all this suffering? Even now, there's still debate whether the war was legal or not. If that was the case, then surely there should NOT have been a war in the grounds of not enough evidence.

Blair placed himself and our soldiers in a corner because he wanted to be a buddy with BUSH. The US president was committed not matter what the legal advice was and set a time table that Blair was then caught in.

Blair failed as a Politician (even though 60% of us didn't vote for his party), as a prime Minister and as a Christian (he soon changed religions).

Oil and Blood are a constant colour in US global politics, it should be on their stars and stripes..

The RBL should remain non-political and by accepting this donation their have accepted blood money for their members.

Blair should have kept his money to buy another house, he only has 5 or 6 of them and must need another one soon.

dilemna

Buckled_Rims wrote:

jim453 wrote:

Buckled_Rims wrote:

.....

My own feeling is this will hurt the British Legion's excellent work in many peoples eyes. Accepting a donation from a man who is complicit in injuring it's own members really is ******!

This is ever so slightly hysterical.

Let's not forget that the members of the RBL are servicemen and women who's job it is/was to do the bidding of the government. Like it or not.

Are any wars just and their outcomes favourable? even in such a conflict servicemen/women would fall casualty. Would their 'blood' be on the hands of the victorious PM / President? Would it be wrong for a political leader in such a case to donate to organisations such as the RBL.

The RBL is not picking up any pieces and is in no way sullied by accepting this donation.

Wars are never right, but it's the weak politicians who cause them (Blair).

Jim, can you honestly say in your heart, that there wasn't another way to get Saddam out without causing all this suffering? Even now, there's still debate whether the war was legal or not. If that was the case, then surely there should NOT have been a war in the grounds of not enough evidence.

Blair placed himself and our soldiers in a corner because he wanted to be a buddy with BUSH. The US president was committed not matter what the legal advice was and set a time table that Blair was then caught in.

Blair failed as a Politician (even though 60% of us didn't vote for his party), as a prime Minister and as a Christian (he soon changed religions).

Oil and Blood are a constant colour in US global politics, it should be on their stars and stripes..

The RBL should remain non-political and by accepting this donation their have accepted blood money for their members.

Blair should have kept his money to buy another house, he only has 5 or 6 of them and must need another one soon.

Blair .............. weak. I don't hink so. Chamberlain was weak and he couldn't stop the 2nd World War.

Look ......... what ever you think of Blair and it is clearly a rabid view frothing at the mouth opinion, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. The Royal British Legion has welcomed the donation meaning it can improve the care and services that it can provide seriously injured and wounded troops and their families. Surely this should be a matter for the Govenment or MOD to adequately fund care and services for our returning troops.

If you are so righteous and without sin then you right your memoirs and see how much you can raise for our troops. In the likely event you don't or can't be bothered to publish your memoirs then I suggest you send a cheque for the cover value of the book payable to The Royal British Legion :roll: .

dilemna

1footedninja wrote:

De nada jim453.

It's all 'out there' - if you get my drift.

Naive realism (so many think this way, without even knowing they do) - once you get onto 'illusion', which creates a problem for naive realists, because it suggests that our senses are infact fallible, you can kinda see how those in 'positions of power' use this 'precept of illusion' to their advantage - as the ol' possibly said by Abe Lincoln saying goes 'You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time' and as George Dubya Bush said 'You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on' and as Bob Marley said 'You can fool some people sometimes, But you can't fool all the people all the time'.

and as possibly said by P.T Barnum 'There's a sucker born every minute'

as the latin proverb goes 'Mundus Vult Decipi, ergo decipiatur'

Basically to believe that only you, as one individual, has all the answers is slighty deluded.

This also works in the same way for supposed Democratical governments and tyrannies alike.

Empirical research still ongoing... everything is subject to interpretation.

Blair still = EVIL - Fabian society - Wolf in Sheeps clothing symbolism - Socialism - Doubletalk - doublethink -

"One reason I changed the Labour Party is so that we can remain true to our principles." Tony Blair

"The single most important two things we can do..." Tony Blair

"It's all very well being a pacifist. But to be a pacifist after September 11, that's something different. It's all new now: terrible threat, terrorist weapons, terrorist states. That is what people here have to understand." Tony Blair on 10/3/03 at Downing Street

Now go kill for me, make me rich!!!

Because the UK is still stuck in the dark ages of plur­al­ity vot­ing (and New Labour broke its mani­festo pledge of elect­oral reform) con­trol of Bri­tain will simply pass from one wolf to another.

You are a wheel short of a few spokes ..............

Buckled_Rims

dilemna wrote:

Blair .............. weak. I don't hink so. Chamberlain was weak and he couldn't stop the 2nd World War.

Look ......... what ever you think of Blair and it is clearly a rabid view frothing at the mouth opinion, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. The Royal British Legion has welcomed the donation meaning it can improve the care and services that it can provide seriously injured and wounded troops and their families. Surely this should be a matter for the Govenment or MOD to adequately fund care and services for our returning troops.

If you are so righteous and without sin then you right your memoirs and see how much you can raise for our troops. In the likely event you don't or can't be bothered to publish your memoirs then I suggest you send a cheque for the cover value of the book payable to The Royal British Legion :roll: .

So please explain why the war was legal and justified? No one has yet explained this to me so I can take my "righteous" view away.

Oh, and my family was directly affected by the war, but that's personal, unlike Blair's donation.

1footedninja

Buckled_Rims wrote:

Oil and Blood are a constant colour in US global politics, it should be on their stars and stripes..

Don't forget huge amounts of Cocaine to that also!!! - Oil and Blood is the Overt side of the operation - bringing in the Cocaine is the covert side of the operations.

Cleat Eastwood

GiantMike wrote:

jim453 wrote:

I'm no Blair fan. However, what would the previous two posters like to see him do?/have done to him?

That rick Parfitts let himself go.

1footedninja

dilemna wrote:

If you are so righteous and without sin then you right your memoirs and see how much you can raise for our troops. In the likely event you don't or can't be bothered to publish your memoirs then I suggest you send a cheque for the cover value of the book payable to The Royal British Legion :roll: .

I found this statement stuck in my throat a little... the average BRITISH (as a BRITISH CITIZEN I SPEAK FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW, DOESNT MEAN THAT I DO NOT ALSO CONSIDER THE VIEWS OF OTHER CITIZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS OF THE SAME COUNTRY I RESIDE IN) person doing whatever they can to help those affected by war, either wars that have happened or those that are still happening, (and anyone with half an ounce of intelligence knows that once someone is subjected to the TRUE horrors of war then there is no such thing as wars that have past) I have more respect for than someone who sends them into war in the first place, with mediaspin and pulling of the puppet strings of politics. Then decides (after talking with publicists no doubt) to donate a sum of money to a slice of BRITISH history. We in dear ol' Blighty love the spirit of the Blitz mentality - don't forget! ...its what makes Britain British! - in a sickening display of publicity! ALL FOR THE CAMERA - remember overt/covert - this was done OVERTLY FOR A REASON.

If you learn anything from those that fought for the right for people like myself to have a viewpoint its this, WAR IS A TERRIBLE THING THAT HUMANS DO TO OTHER HUMANS IN THE BELIEF THAT THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR A COMMON CAUSE.

War doesnt stop until you decide it stops.

Like John Lennon said 'War is over... if you want it'

What did he know though hey!

The older I get the more I see that people want to be deceived - you don't want truth - the truth has been so discarded for so long , no one even knows what that exactly is anymore. We have been duped pretty much all of the 20th century why shouldnt the 21st century be any different.... BRING ON WW III ! - mass culling anyone ?

I'm sure Blair or INSERT NAME OF NEW POLITICAL LEADER can donate a lot of hot air to show that this could be justified in doing, then all they need to do is donate some chump change to make it all rosy again afterwards by giving the money to an older generational charity - its beyond funny, its obscene.

dilemna

1footedninja wrote:

dilemna wrote:

If you are so righteous and without sin then you right your memoirs and see how much you can raise for our troops. In the likely event you don't or can't be bothered to publish your memoirs then I suggest you send a cheque for the cover value of the book payable to The Royal British Legion :roll: .

I found this statement stuck in my throat a little... the average BRITISH (as a BRITISH CITIZEN I SPEAK FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW, DOESNT MEAN THAT I DO NOT ALSO CONSIDER THE VIEWS OF OTHER CITIZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS OF THE SAME COUNTRY I RESIDE IN) person doing whatever they can to help those affected by war, either wars that have happened or those that are still happening, (and anyone with half an ounce of intelligence knows that once someone is subjected to the TRUE horrors of war then there is no such thing as wars that have past) I have more respect for than someone who sends them into war in the first place, with mediaspin and pulling of the puppet strings of politics. Then decides (after talking with publicists no doubt) to donate a sum of money to a slice of BRITISH history. We in dear ol' Blighty love the spirit of the Blitz mentality - don't forget! ...its what makes Britain British! - in a sickening display of publicity! ALL FOR THE CAMERA - remember overt/covert - this was done OVERTLY FOR A REASON.

If you learn anything from those that fought for the right for people like myself to have a viewpoint its this, WAR IS A TERRIBLE THING THAT HUMANS DO TO OTHER HUMANS IN THE BELIEF THAT THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR A COMMON CAUSE.

War doesnt stop until you decide it stops.

Like John Lennon said 'War is over... if you want it'

What did he know though hey!

The older I get the more I see that people want to be deceived - you don't want truth - the truth has been so discarded for so long , no one even knows what that exactly is anymore. We have been duped pretty much all of the 20th century why shouldnt the 21st century be any different.... BRING ON WW III ! - mass culling anyone ?

I'm sure Blair or INSERT NAME OF NEW POLITICAL LEADER can donate a lot of hot air to show that this could be justified in doing, then all they need to do is donate some chump change to make it all rosy again afterwards by giving the money to an older generational charity - its beyond funny, its obscene.

Did you take your medication at 6 o'clock?

1footedninja

dilemna wrote:

Did you take your medication at 6 o'clock?

Hilarious.

dilemna - Taken your anal suppository yet... oh bless him... look, he's been chewing on it again...

a340driver

Yes it is.

I left the RAF because i thought we were not approaching the middle east problem properly and after 12 years I wanted to spend more time with my wife.

This concern about why we went to war has a deep effect on troops from all services. But they don't go sick,they simply get on with the job they are trained for... Brilliantly. If you want to leave, you can - all our troops are volunteers and patriots.

Simply the RAF/Army/Navy (sorry I was in the RAF) have some of the most "Proud to be British" heroic people I've ever met. And guess what some of them are first generation British but they love the country because of its freedom. They even come from every religion you can name. That's why the extremists will never succeed in this country-freedom of speech stifles extremism and shows it's stupidity.

Blair is better off, not divorced (a huge amount of divorces involve military partners) and has more contact with his children than all the people he sent to war:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7549081/The-world-of-Tony-Blair-Inc.html

I'm still glad he's sent the money but did he sign in blood?

RAF 1998-2000

1footedninja

Some other persons viewpoint on Tony bLIAR