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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I was just going to say that the 360 has skyplayer. I think if you have sky multiroom, you can watch any of the channels on it that you have enabled on your multiroom account, or something.

    It's a close call between the 360 and the PS3, but if films are your thing, then the PS3 wins. Games, is much of a muchness really, although the guitar hero series, oddly enough works so much better on the 360 it's not even funny.
  • Andy
    Andy Posts: 8,207
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    although the guitar hero series, oddly enough works so much better on the 360 it's not even funny.

    I've not noticed any difference?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Everything's a bit laggy and weird on the PS3. We couldn't figure it out at all. Drums were a nightmare.

    As for people who own both systems, that would make them hermaphrodites, I think.
  • Andy
    Andy Posts: 8,207
    I think at the end of the day, people can own one, the other or both. Even for those who own both, they will still prefer one to the other and thats what it boils down to. Just like the SRAM/Shimano debate.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    But people who prefer SRAM are wrong, because I just cannot get my shifters/levers in the right place, they're either nowhere close to hand, or the shifters are digging into my thumb joint the whole time.
    And what the flinking blip is with their method of changing cables? They've turned a quick 2 minute job into an epic :roll:
  • The Northern Monkey
    The Northern Monkey Posts: 19,136
    Andy wrote:
    Just like the SRAM/Shimano debate.

    Owned both... prefer shimano.

    Also owned both 360 and PS3... prefer the PS3.


    hehe!
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  • Andy
    Andy Posts: 8,207
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    But people who prefer SRAM are wrong, because I just cannot get my shifters/levers in the right place, they're either nowhere close to hand, or the shifters are digging into my thumb joint the whole time.
    And what the flinking blip is with their method of changing cables? They've turned a quick 2 minute job into an epic :roll:

    Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, SRAM fans are totally wrong but 'officially' its down to preference :wink:
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    ah, ok, got you.
  • R0B75
    R0B75 Posts: 376
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    Everything's a bit laggy and weird on the PS3. We couldn't figure it out at all. Drums were a nightmare.
    You did do the audio/video calibration, right?
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    duh, yes!
    :lol:

    Disclaimer: It might be that I'm just annoyingly sensitive to this audio/video lag thing, since I spend a large part of my working life syncing effects and dialogue, syllable by syllable to video.
  • R0B75
    R0B75 Posts: 376
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    But people who prefer SRAM are wrong, because I just cannot get my shifters/levers in the right place, they're either nowhere close to hand, or the shifters are digging into my thumb joint the whole time.
    And what the flinking blip is with their method of changing cables? They've turned a quick 2 minute job into an epic :roll:

    Strangley, I find that my XT shifters dig into my thumb no matter where I put them, my SRAM ones don't, yet I prefer the shifting on the Shimano ones. :?
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  • Andy
    Andy Posts: 8,207
    R0B75 wrote:
    Strangley, I find that my XT shifters dig into my thumb no matter where I put them, my SRAM ones don't, yet I prefer the shiting on the Shimano ones. :?


    :shock:
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    R0B75 wrote:
    As you say its a personal thing so it's not bull really. For most people it won't be noticeable.

    But of course there are those that might notice a difference, most people would not.
    I guess you're right, really.
    Like I said, I work with very high end audio and oftentimes video, I think I get accustomed to spotting things audibly and visually.
  • R0B75
    R0B75 Posts: 376
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    duh, yes!
    :lol:

    Disclaimer: It might be that I'm just annoyingly sensitive to this audio/video lag thing, since I spend a large part of my working life syncing effects and dialogue, syllable by syllable to video.

    Haha, just checking. Never played it on PS3 as never owned one so don't know if it ever had issues. 360 versions just worked. Only once did I ever need to change it when I got a new amp.
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  • R0B75
    R0B75 Posts: 376
    Andy wrote:
    R0B75 wrote:
    Strangley, I find that my XT shifters dig into my thumb no matter where I put them, my SRAM ones don't, yet I prefer the shiting on the Shimano ones. :?


    :shock:

    Damnit, my ninja edit was not quick enough! :lol:
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    i prefer the 360, sram and full sus.

    i have never tried either a 360 or a ps3 but i am rarely wrong about stuff.
  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,593
    Massive difference betwee, Blu ray and DVD audio and visually.

    But i wouldn't pop Blu ray through a PS cos it has an awful Blu ray Pic, but then most players for £80 are gonna have a bit of a naff piccy so its not gonna be a huge issue.

    And as for consoles on the whole, man up, get a pc and take up real gaming :p
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    No real difference in audio between DVD and BD in the vast majority of cases.
    Most common format on both is uncompressed 48Khz 24-bit PCM.
  • MacAndCheese
    MacAndCheese Posts: 1,944
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    peter413 wrote:
    But I stand by what I said about blueray, playing an ordinary DVD back to back with a blueray disk, same tv, same PS3, there really wasn't much difference and this was on a very high end BIG TV.

    There was a small difference I admit but its not worth the extra cash IMHO
    You're still full of crap. It's not even a small difference, you must surely be myopic or something.
    Oh, and by the way... some of the larger tellies are some of the poorer quality ones.

    I have to agree with Yehaa, you need to visit a optician if you can't tell the VAST difference in quality between Blu-Ray and DVD. The first film I saw on BluRay was Ice age 3 (don't ask) and it blew me away, you could see every single hair on the mammoth in crisp detail.

    Having said that, my Sony Blu-Ray up-scales DVDs which makes some DVDs look pretty good too.

    Also audio for surround sound on Blu Ray is noticeably better.
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  • Kiblams
    Kiblams Posts: 2,423
    MacAndCheese wrote:
    Having said that, my Sony Blu-Ray up-scales DVDs which makes some DVDs look pretty good too.

    I find the image quality much more noticeable between a DVD and an up-scaled DVD than between an up-scaled DVD and Blu-Ray... Still not sold on the disks myself, though HD capable devices such as TV boxes and consoles are definatly worth the monies. :D
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  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,593
    You are the sound man Yee, but the files for audio on Blu ray are far larger, I know the sample rates are pretty much the same, but I thought Blu Ray offered uncompressed audio. Where i Know DVD audio is heavily compressed?

    I'm just interested.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    MacAndCheese wrote:
    Also audio for surround sound on Blu Ray is noticeably better.
    Sorry, but that's just bullcrap - see above. There are compressed formats, (which would show a difference) but PCM is by far the most popular
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Thewaylander wrote:
    You are the sound man Yee, but the files for audio on Blu ray are far larger, I know the sample rates are pretty much the same, but I thought Blu Ray offered uncompressed audio. Where i Know DVD audio is heavily compressed?

    I'm just interested.
    DVD can support several audio formats, but the most common one is just PCM (which is uncompressed). When there's a hell of a lot of content, the audio might be encoded as basically, an MP3, but at a very high bit rate, but this is fairly uncommon in my experience.
  • MacAndCheese
    MacAndCheese Posts: 1,944
    yeehaamcgee wrote:
    MacAndCheese wrote:
    Also audio for surround sound on Blu Ray is noticeably better.
    Sorry, but that's just bullcrap - see above. There are compressed formats, (which would show a difference) but PCM is by far the most popular

    Sorry I disagree, I don't know about the technicality or exact terms but when I first brought my blu-ray player it couldn't decode "Dolby TrueHD" and just sent "normal" 5.1 to my amp, after a couple of weeks I worked out that I could send the sound signal direct to my amp and it would decode the dolby True HD sound. Made a big difference - mainly on the rear surround speakers.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    right, and that means...?
    sounds like the D/As in your amp are better than the BD player, which is normal.
  • MacAndCheese
    MacAndCheese Posts: 1,944
    Possibly, but DVDs don't have Dolby True HD soundtracks and when I play them on the same set up (audio decoded by amp) you don't get the same quality on the rear speakers in particular. Is it not possible than DVDs compress the rear audio to save space (?)
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  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,593
    bout to say, most players don't send out the pcm track to the amp its normally the DD/DTS and i know these are heaverly compressed on DVD Yee?
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    dolby digital is compressed, but not particularly noticeable. The compression rate is much lower, for example than that of MP3 downlaods.
    Dolby TureHD is also compressed, but uses a lossless algorithm.
    PCM audio (also available in multi-channel) is not compressed at all.
  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,593
    But isnt PCM a lower sample rate 48KHZ as stored on most discs? and DD and all more in the region of 198khz?

    Its been a real long time since i used to be an audio geek, and 2 Chan SACD is still my idea of the ultimate audio :p, But I do have an ok Truee HD set up, and there is definately a more spacious sound to the HD sound track with slightly better postioning.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    i'll slightly better position you in a minute

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