Colnago CX-1 vs M10

scootmagloot

thanks for the info.
I did find these sites (have seen the frf images but they are the same studio images albeit with the background that the colnago site has removed)
http://staffblog.ciclo-ipsilon.com/?eid=994465
and
http://www.bdc-forum.it/showthread.php?p=2400655
and the blue M10 looks different in each, am sure its to do with lighting/flash, the camera used but it would be nice to know what the blue REALLY looks like :shock:
I do prefer the deeper blue as shown on the italian site (the second one) but wouldnt mind if someone would confirm it.

Have to agree with the C59 colours (am sure its a great ride no matter which colour) the only one that appeals to me is the black/silver (not a matt black fan) but each to their own.
Others have said the fluoro orange and black is a great colour but you wouldnt pick it from the website photos!

decisions decisions!

2wheelobsession

@ Evil Laugh - Would be great to buy something to tide me over while i wait for a better looking 3.5K frame to come along but unfortunately budget doesnt allow so this is a one off deal for me and i imagine most others :-)

@ scootmagloot - good sleuthing man! I thinkl if you are looking for a blue bike that blue looks great ! I have noticed one thing though - some versions of the frame say Structural Routing and others say Internal Cable Routing! THe ones I saw at the show yesterday all had the latter so from a color perspective its probably best to look for ones with that on!

I like the glitter effect (didnt notice that on the red one) and think the second one is probably going to be most accurate in terms of color!

I did like the orange one too as it has a glossy finish - unfortuantely it clashes badly with the SRAM Red Groupset :-( (yes unfortunately i am that sad!) So its the black silver for me!

Evil Laugh

Yep I know what you mean at the price its the same for me too, that's why I'll wait. I'll pick something up second hand and build it up with the parts I'll use on the c59 and hopefully not lose much when I eventually swap the frame out. I don't have money to burn either I just lost a big contract for next year.

I had a ride on the c59, it's love. I just don't get the paint, nothing there would stand the test of time.

The one I tried was black silver. The lines just aren't very clean, it looked like a cheap shampoo bottle.

If I'm gonna spend £3k on a Colnago, I want it to look like a Colnago, not a bad knock off of a Scott or a Trek. I don't mean that in an offensive way against those brands.

Annoyed. Rant over. Sorry.

Anonymous

If I bought a C59 it'd go straight (via Maestro) to be resprayed in the colour of my choice... Most likely Mapei or Zabel...

2wheelobsession

Hey big spender!! :-) Do you not think at that price they should be coming out looking so good that you wouldnt dare even thinking about respraying them ???

Anonymous

2wheelobsession wrote:

Hey big spender!! :-) Do you not think at that price they should be coming out looking so good that you wouldnt dare even thinking about respraying them ???

I do. But they don't anymore :c

My mate has a Dream in the Geo paintwork and in the flesh it looks absolutely stunning! They just seem to do 'normal' generic paintwork now :c

Evil Laugh

NapoleonD wrote:

If I bought a C59 it'd go straight (via Maestro) to be resprayed in the colour of my choice... Most likely Mapei or Zabel...

It's not happening. Their painter has retired and Mike can't get raw frames anymore. That's what he told me anyway. It was a long conversation and he seemed quite disillusioned and upset about the whole affair so I believe him. I tried cyclefit who could possibly get a pr00 and went direct to colnago, no custom paint jobs.

I'd imagine there are a few more avenues you could exhaust but I'm far from an itk when it comes to high end bike contacts. If you respray you lose warranty if that bothers you.

Come on Colnago, c59 prbk, don't break my heart.

juggler

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magliaceleste

inseine wrote:

...but to say the C59 in matt black is plain is like saying a stealth bomber is plain! Sure it would turn heads on the rode more than an M10 (on looks alone).

As a matt black C59 owner I'd have to agree with that

One day if I get bored of it, there is always the respray option, I've always like the Saronni (PR82) look and I don't even like red normally.

Having said that the M10 looks like a fabulous bike.

magliaceleste

2wheelobsession wrote:

Different strokes for diferent folks me thinks!! :-)
As for geometry - I dont see how buying a lugged frame gives you a "custom" fit as opposed to a moncoque frame. They still come as standard sizes from the factory and you have to buy the one that best fits you - there is always a bit of give and take and unless you get a custom bike you are having to fit what comes out of the factory. Why can the monocoque frame casts not be as varied as a lugged frame?

To answer your question (and sorry you probably know this but for others) it's because with monocoque frames they come from a mold. They only makes molds in certain popular sizes, as they are very expensive, hence most bikes are only generally available in about 6 (XS - XL sizes)

Lugged frames have tubes that can be cut to any length before they are joined For Colnago this allows them to make the frame in 22 sizes and if you pay enough - a custom size.

For a smaller company, someone like Viner you can have any custom size you want. More compliant or stiffer etc as the tubes can be changed for different sizes/applications on request, you can even choose different bottom brackets.

Lets not even get into the ride.

ScottieP

I spent some time on the Colnago stand at the cycle show yesterday and had some good discussions with the guys there about the M10 (amongst other models) - Colnago are excited about this bike as they say it's at least as stiff as the CX-1 but they say they believe they've got the ride quality about the same as the C50 - so they think the bike's going to do really well. 2wheelobsession - I hope you managed to have a good chat about the bike too. I think the M10 is clearly the one to get - the lightest, stiffest, most aero Colnago yet - with the ride quality of a C50 (apparently). Sounds like a winner to me. Sigma Sport also had a Matt Black one in addition to the Black/Silver and red ones on the Colnago stand.

They are only just arriving into the country now and the first review will be done by The Washing Machine Post - as soon as they can get a bike to Brian.

I'm not normally an big Italian bike fan but 45 minutes on their stand yesterday was time well spent - not just for the bikes but for the views of the Colnago people - they are much more forward looking than I'd thought.

Hope that helps.

ScottieP

nicensleazy

I would also agree with ScottieP. The M1O is most certainly worth looking at and a serious development. Speaking to Colnago at the London Bike Show, they mentioned that it has a C50 quality of ride and is indeed the lightest carbon frame in the Colnago range. I can assure you, there has been a great deal of thought and technology placed into this frame and Colnago know every worker which has been invloved in making each frame.

Good luck with it!

scootmagloot

for those that want to see how the blue looks...I found this on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtZD6YGbsJU&feature=related

and some pics of the MASL M10 (and C59 is in there too)
http://colnagoconbrio.posterous.com/

I actually like both the MASL and MABL M10...decisions, decisions. :?
Must admit I dont like the white hoods and handlebar tape on some of the display bikes though! :oops:

Anonymous

Now that more info is out on the M10 (When it was first shown I didn't know what made it different from the CX1) it looks great!

I'm one for standard geometry and lugs but if you are going to do modern, may as well make it ride freakin' awesome!

If it rides as well as a C50 you are in for a treat.

ScottieP

I put a bunch of M10 pictures on my blog if that's helpful ... the red, the matt black and the black/silver ...

http://girodilento.com/london-cycle-show-2010-colnago-m10-pictures

Enjoy

2wheelobsession

@ magliaceleste - does make a lot more sense and i can see the benefit. To be honest though i dont think I am quite at the level where it will affect me too much. Coming from mountain biking to road I am still learning to adapt to a road bike and going with a standard size will sork fine for me!

Glad some of you got to the stand too - all of my uncertainties dissapeared after seeing it in person and speaking to the guys on the stand - the seem really pumped about the M10 so really happy that i chose one now! Cant wait to ride it!

@scootmagloot - really strangely the top tupe in the video says Structural Routing where as our version definitely says Internal Cable routing! I wonder of there are any other differences ??? (Dont like the white bar tape on the MASL either :-) )

Again down to a personal thing but as i am coming into this game in modern times I am happy to embrace the modern bikes and buy into the new trends. I can totally understand the purists out there saying that it has to be lugg, it has to be Campag, it has to be standard geometry but for me it is more about pushing the envelope - trying something new - after all - its progress!! :-)

Rich.H

The GDOB (black/fluro orange) C59 on the Sigma Sport stand looked stunning. I would imagine it will look even better in daylight.

You would need to be careful with matching components (this one had Bora's on and the red decals clash a bit) but I definitely favour this colour now over my original thought of matt black for a C59

Rich

ScottieP

The blue in Scootmagloot's you tube link looks really nice. I wasn't convinced about the shade of red in the one at the Cycle Show - but the blue looks great. The best of the M10 colours I've seen. I thought the black/silver and the matt black were a bit flat personally. Did I mention I like the blue :roll:

Rich H - I agree about colour matching with the orange - it's a striking scheme but I wouldn't want to have lots of red on it either - so it would have to be Lightweights rather than Boras :shock:

Rich.H

ScottieP wrote:

Rich H - I agree about colour matching with the orange - it's a striking scheme but I wouldn't want to have lots of red on it either - so it would have to be Lightweights rather than Boras :shock:

Fortuntately, thats one decision I won't need to make as I don't own any Bora's

Rich

ScottieP

Rich.H wrote:

Fortuntately, thats one decision I won't need to make as I don't own any Bora's Rich

One less thing to worry about is always good.

2wheelobsession

Great pics ScottieP - definitely the best i have seen online so far! Cheers for those!!

I agree and really like the MAOB too but having a SRAM Red groupset ready to go on it is not an option for me! :-( I just wish they did a black/red/white option (like the old CLX) where you can see the weave through the black! Would be perfect!! - not sure they didnt the show the wave on the MASL like on the Matt black version?? - weird)

Anyone else think the top tube writing difference is weird ???

scootmagloot

yes great pics ScottieP, nice one .

@2wheelobsession - what else did you go for in your m10 build apart from SRAM ie. bars, stem, seat?
I'm currently thinking of M10 in MABL, Campag Record, Deda Bars and Stem (likely to be Newtons but open to suggestions...not fussed about carbon but want something stiff and saw some reviews saying the Dead Zero 100 werent as stiff as the newtons) and Prologo or Selle Italia seat (SLR most likely but its been a while since I've looked for one!).

I also have some campag shamals coming to finish it off.

yes weird about the top tube writing...unless its for different markets?

2wheelobsession

Full Build ....

Frame: Colnago M10 MASL (52s)
Forks: Colnago Carbon
Bars: Cinelli Neo Morphe
Stem: Cinelli Neo
Headset: Colnago C-HS2
Bar Tape: FiziK Microtex

Front Brake Lever: SRAM Red
Front Caliper: SRAM Red
Rear Brake Lever: SRAM Red
Rear Caliper: SRAM Red

Shifters: SRAM Red
Cables: SRAM Red
Front Mech: SRAM Red
Rear Mech: SRAM Red

Seat: Colnago Z1 Race
Seat Post: Colnago High Modulus Carbon
Seat Post Clamp: Colnago

Cranks: SRAM Red
Chainring(s): SRAM Red (Compact 50/34)
Chain: SRAM Red 1090R Hollow pin
Cassette: SRAM Red OG 1090 (11/25)
Pedals: Look Keo Carbon
Bottom Bracket: SRAM Red Blackbox Ceramic

Front Wheel: Fulcrum Racing Zero 2010
Rim: High Precision Aluminium
Spokes: Aluminium ultra aero
Hub: Carbon/Aluminium with ceramic bearings
Tube: Michelin Air Comp
Tire: Michelin Pro 3 Race (Red)

Back Wheel: Fulcrum Racing Zero 2010
Rim: High Precision Aluminium
Spokes: Aluminium ultra aero
Hub: Carbon/Aluminium with ceramic bearings
Tube: Michelin Air Comp
Tire: Michelin Pro 3 Race (Red)


I am currently using the Cinelli's on my Colnago Arte and may not use them on the new build! I have big hands and cant seem to fit them into any bars on the drops! THey are great bars though!

scootmagloot

you know what they say about big hands.....big gloves!

thanks for the info.....I decided in the end to go for deda zero 100 bars and stem, more to do with aestethics and to try the RHM style bars, so as a blind man once said...we shall see!

still mulling over my saddle choice though.... :?:

inseine

The bike looks great in matt black, though the 'internal cables routing' on the top tube is naff, not to mention the 'monocoque structure'. Looks ordinary in red.

beeroclock

As far as I am aware the bikes at the show are the original set produced to show distributors, for shows and photography.

It was decided to change the "internal cable routing" to "structural routing" and this was done in post production on the images, but has remained on the "demo bikes".

Therefore the M10 should ship with "structural routing" on the top tube.

cheers philip

Anonymous

The deda zero 100 stem is like a wet noodle! I loved the look of it but it had to go
The Newton shallow bars are top though!

2wheelobsession

@ scootmagloot - Big hands small c... :-) Always going to be a constant fettle to find the perfect set up. I think also that there is always going to be some level of compromise. Just a pity everything is so expensive and the only way to know for sure is to buy and then try! I really liked the look of the Deda Alanera (bar/stem) but worried about not being able to adjust the pitch of the bars. Think i will try the Cinelli's first and see how i go!

@ inseine - clearly not a fan :-) I quite liked the cable routing! Agreed its probably not the best internal cable routing i have ever seen but flag that it does run internally and keeps the lines clean. I must say I also quite liked the way the cable fed into the frame! Just me though!

@ beeroclock - WOW someone is in the know! So my frame will say Structural Routing andf not INternal cable routing. I am ok with that - less writing i suppose! Thank for the info.

Just wish the frame would arrive now - just want to get it built and get out on it!

nicensleazy

I had a good chat with the guys from Colnago (Italy) about this frame. Colnago have now achieved the best of both worlds. A top end monocouque frame and a top end lugged frame.

Let us know if you get it!

2wheelobsession

Not IF but WHEN!! :-)

Expected first week in Nov - will keep you posted!