Colnago CX-1 vs M10

2wheelobsession

Hi all,

Rephrasing as maybe the previous post was a bit wordy. Getting an order in for a new frame and cant decice between the CX-1 or the M10



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My questions are
- will the seat stays of the CX1 not make for a more comfortable ride? (Curved, thicker, and bonded- not monocoque)
-The blurb says the M10 is a bit lighter and stiffer, would the average rider like myself even be able to tell the difference between these frames.
- at this level do i just go for the one i prefer the looks of?

Thanks

Pretre

Colnago webiste says the M10 is stiffer but more comfortable - "a little more vertical absorption to provide more comfort without in any way sacrificing performance."

http://www.colnago.com/bikes/2011/m10

Whether anyone below Pro level would actually noctice this or not is debatable IMO, especially as I haven't seen ayone say the CX-1 is noticeably uncomfortable.

I would say that the only way to find out is to test them both - I don't know of anywhere that would have this level of test bike lying around so good luck finding somewhere!

When you make your choice I'd be very interested in your opinions as I'm in the market for a new bike, having written off my lovely 3 week old De Rosa Merak in a nasty crash 4 months ago

Anonymous

1 - Maybe
2 - Maybe
3 - Definitely

clx1

I think that you will be very satisfied whichever one you get, go for the one you like the look of, it will be great.

batsbong

I suggest that you get the M10 because it's the upgraded version of the CX-1 plus it's aesthetically more refine. I will getting one of this M10 soon. I am currently using an EPS and CLX 2.0

2wheelobsession

HI Guys,

Thank you for your comments- I actually went ahead and ordered the M10 and am just waiting for the frame to arrive so that i can built it up! Full SRAM Red Groupset and Fulcrum Racing 0 all ready and waiting!

I will uodate as soon as I have built and ridden it!

CheerS
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Chip \'oyler

They both look the same to me!

Anonymous

Chip \'oyler wrote:

They both look the same to me!

The M10 is supposedly a fair bit lighter and stiffer. I prefer the look of the CX1 though...

wicked

Of the 2 you mention the M10 coz it looks nicer!
But IMHO a colnago should be lugged and not a monocoque so I would have neither and get an EPS!
My 2p worth.

2wheelobsession

My dialemma exactly - prefer the look opf the CX-1 but the M10 is a better bike for not much more! I recon I would always kick myself that i didnt get he bestI could at the time!! Anyyway off to the Lndon Bike Show tomorrow to see her in person - i recon that will settle this once and for all!!

Will report back !

2wheelobsession

@ Wicked

Interesting - why does it have to be lugged - is this on the same vein as Colnago's should always be standard and not sloping geometry because of the lines etc?

Surely this new monocoque is an improvement on the lugged frame and is thus taking things to the next level?

So many things to consider its amazing any of us ever buy a new bike - I recon everyone just gets to a sdtage of saying to hell with it, I cant research any more and goes with their heart!

Anonymous

I'm a big fan of standard geometry lugged frames. See if you can pick up a bargain C50...



E.g. This Classic Lugged Italian Thoroughbred (I'm not one to use acronyms...)

Velonutter

Just to add my pennyworth, Colnago's should always, always always be equipped with Campag, none of that Brash Jap or Yank Stuff...lol :shock:

Harry182

Velonutter wrote:

Just to add my pennyworth, Colnago's should always, always always be equipped with Campag, none of that Brash Jap or Yank Stuff...lol :shock:

Michele might beg to differ

ScottieP

Of the two you are looking at - I think I'd go for the M10 as it's the lightest and most advanced monocoque Colnago have made (according to Mr Colnago himself: http://girodilento.com/eurobike-2011-ernesto-colnago-personally-intr) - I've also read it's the most aero Colnago yet - so perhaps they're pushing the envelope a bit more on the M10. The CX-1 Evo would also be great though.

No reviews on either yet that I've seen - so I'm hoping to see them both in the flesh at the Cycle Show on Friday and like loads of other people - I'll be putting lots of photos on my blog after the show

wicked

2wheelobsession wrote:

@ Wicked

Interesting - why does it have to be lugged - is this on the same vein as Colnago's should always be standard and not sloping geometry because of the lines etc?

Surely this new monocoque is an improvement on the lugged frame and is thus taking things to the next level?

So many things to consider its amazing any of us ever buy a new bike - I recon everyone just gets to a sdtage of saying to hell with it, I cant research any more and goes with their heart!

Yes. In all honesty none of us could tell which is the lugged and which is the monocoque when riding so its all down to looks.
And yes colnago's should be lugged, traditional geometry and yes should have campagnolo. And cinelli or deda...... The list goes on!
It's all tradition. Love it.
If you want the latest monocoque buy a cervelo or whatever. If you want the colnago name and don't mind a monocoque then a CLX (if you do not mind its not made in italia) and save lots of cash to bling it out with SR11?
Thats my thoughts anyway, others may think I talking out me ass

Anonymous

The main thing with having a lugged frame is the range of sizes you can offer. Mine fits me perfectly, like it was custom...

That makes a huge difference to the ride and feel...

Chip \'oyler

NapoleonD wrote:

The main thing with having a lugged frame is the range of sizes you can offer. Mine fits me perfectly, like it was custom...

That makes a huge difference to the ride and feel...

A big fat +1 from me

That is the biggest advantage with lugged frames - the fact that they can be built to any size, angle etc which means you can then custom make them to fit people's measurements and riding styles. And if a frame fits perfectly then it is going to positively affect how it rides and performs.

Velonutter

Harry182 wrote:

Velonutter wrote:

Just to add my pennyworth, Colnago's should always, always always be equipped with Campag, none of that Brash Jap or Yank Stuff...lol :shock:

Michele might beg to differ

Michael who? :shock:

TMR

Harry182 wrote:

Michele might beg to differ

He's got a girls name - WTF would he know?

inseine

E.g. This Classic Lugged Italian Thoroughbred (I'm not one to use acronyms...)

Has to be your bike. I'm trying to find fault with the photo but when I saw both valves perfectly aligned I gave up! Nice.

Actually, looking again, I think you f**ked up lining the tyre logos with the wheel graphics .

Anonymous

inseine wrote:

Actually, looking again, I think you f**ked up lining the tyre logos with the wheel graphics .

Impossible to adjust with tubulars...

I am awaiting a new tyre as those are Chrono time trial tyres...

2wheelobsession

Different strokes for diferent folks me thinks!! :-)

I was at the bike show yesterday and had the pleasure of spending time with all three 2011 Colnago's - CX1 Evo, M10 and the C59. Obviously everyone would like a C59 but at this stage it is out of my price range and to be quite frank i dont think i am worthy of one yet!

Having spoken to the tech guy on the stall he confirmed that the M10 was the one to go for! Having ridden both CX1 and M10 himself he said that the M10 was a lot more compliant and much better on rides over 2 hours. He found the CX1 to be slightly more hard on the tail end lending itself more to shorter (sprint) type rides.

Looking (and touching - a lot) at the frames the M10 does seem streets ahead of the CX1. Downtubes are not round but wedge shaped underneath, not completely aero but certainly more aero than the CX1. The Matt Black and Silver (MASL) paint job looks amazing as it fades into the matt black.

As for geometry - I dont see how buying a lugged frame gives you a "custom" fit as opposed to a moncoque frame. They still come as standard sizes from the factory and you have to buy the one that best fits you - there is always a bit of give and take and unless you get a custom bike you are having to fit what comes out of the factory. Why can the monocoque frame casts not be as varied as a lugged frame?

Finally the M10 only comes in monocoque so no choice there and all the display models come from Mr Ernesto himself fitted with SRAM Red!!! Having won the Tour de France, Giro d'Italia and the Roubaix i dont see how it can be nocked!

Again all down to personal preference but for me i want the best (I can afford) and the SRAM red is just that !

AMEN :-)

wicked

I am sure that you will be very happy with your purchase!

Don't be concerned though about SRAM winning the tour or whatever, the pro's will ride anything they are paid to whereas you are spending your own hard earned cash!

SRAM on a colnago..........shudder

2wheelobsession

Promise if i ever get the real deal (C59 straight from Italy) there will be nothing but Campag :-)

Also need a big bonus and someone elses legs :-)

scootmagloot

am interested in an M10 too....the black and silver (MASL) or the metallic Blue (MABL) both appeal, although I've only seen web photos of the blue...did you manage to see a blue one at the show? If so was it a darker blue than the web pics on the Colnago site or about the same? :?: Dont want to shell out the hard earned and not like it!
Also how did the C59s look in the flesh (again yet to see one!), cant say the colour schemes for the C59 inspire me much!

2wheelobsession

@ scootmagloot

Hey there - they didnt have the blue one there but did have a red one which was pretty sweet - nice red if you like them colourful. Dont recall any blue Colnagos being on show at all so really not sure how deep the blue is - the online pic does look good though!

I agree with you on the colours though - in the M10 the Batt balsck version is really cool as you can see the weave but it does look a bit bland. you cant see the weave oin the black silver one and to be 100% honest i would prefer the silver to be white but i think it is the best colour scheme for the M10. THis was also confirmed by the guy on the stand and this is why all promo material features the MASL.

As for the C59 - I dont think i like any of the schemes - I just dont think white and silver go (personal opinion) and the Matt black is just too plain! It would have to be the Black/Silver or Black Yellow at a push but at almost 3.5k for the frame I would want a better paint job!

Good luck with your decision - i will let you know how mine pans out. Arrives 1st week in Nov!

2wheelobsession

Anyone interested in seeing better pics of the full 2011 rage try this site

http://www.frfsports.com/colnago/m10

Much better pics than the Colnago site!

inseine

I not even a huge Colnago fan, but to say the C59 in matt black is plain is like saying a stealth bomber is plain! Sure it would turn heads on the rode more than an M10 (on looks alone).

2wheelobsession

I have to agree with you actually - The C59 is a beautifull bike and at more that 1K more than the M10 you would expect it to turn more heads. For me i would just want it to be a bit more flash but understand thats not to everyones taste! I do actually prefer the Matt C59 to the Matt M10 though!

If only we all had unlimited funds!! Do you think we would ever be satisfied ??

Evil Laugh

I've got the same feelings with the c59. I desperately want to buy one, it's amazing but the paint schemes are so uninspiring and dull. I thought about the matte black but reckon it will look dated quickly.

I'm gonna buy something else to keep me amused until next years colours, praying they do some pr colour schemes.