improving fitness and speed
greenacre
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Done a ton of cycling every week for 5 month. Now at 15 stone(age 28, height 6').
Joined a club and the club is fast!(TT speeds!) 24-30mph 1x a week. I found my average speed has increased massively in trying to keep up after several weeks. Although after halfway, i have to slow down otherwise i burn up. I can never maintain the speed over the 20-30 mile distance.
A few questions, observations and thoughts.
I can travel at 20mph+ but only if i take in plenty of carbs.
I am censored at running. I quickly become out of breath, (despite traveling long way on bike).
Despite lots of cycling week in, week out in past to improve fitness, including the fast club run. I am now of the nature(due to the poor club run performance), i should go back to basics and drop the club and concentrate on lots of base miles at a slower speed to improve my basic fitness. I was thinking of taking up running as well, for better aerobic conditioning. Am i just poor cycling fitness and too heavy for those speeds?
Thanks, your good help would be appreciated.
Joined a club and the club is fast!(TT speeds!) 24-30mph 1x a week. I found my average speed has increased massively in trying to keep up after several weeks. Although after halfway, i have to slow down otherwise i burn up. I can never maintain the speed over the 20-30 mile distance.
A few questions, observations and thoughts.
I can travel at 20mph+ but only if i take in plenty of carbs.
I am censored at running. I quickly become out of breath, (despite traveling long way on bike).
Despite lots of cycling week in, week out in past to improve fitness, including the fast club run. I am now of the nature(due to the poor club run performance), i should go back to basics and drop the club and concentrate on lots of base miles at a slower speed to improve my basic fitness. I was thinking of taking up running as well, for better aerobic conditioning. Am i just poor cycling fitness and too heavy for those speeds?
Thanks, your good help would be appreciated.
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Why am I telling you this? Because I'm in the same boat as you cycling wise. I don't think running has improved my cycling ability. My high end speeds on the bike aren't bad, but I can't maintain a respectable average (I have to push to do 18mph over 30 miles and I still get dropped easily), so I'd lose out in 30 mile crits, and 10 or 25 mile time-trials. I think if I were to apply running principles, it's getting in 50+ mile cycles at an easy speed, and doing intervals, with some examples listed here: http://www.brianmac.co.uk/cycling/cyclingplan.htm
Maybe i'm expecting results too fast and not ready for fast club runs just yet. I have progressed good in a short time. I had thought doing the club run would get me fit fast along with my normal riding. Could it be doing several longer regular ride as well(50-70 miles) has resulted in going backwards. The body is weakening, more than it is repairing and strengthing.
I will first try longer slow rides mixed with the fast club run. Doing intervals as well, would be too much for me and not be able to recover good.
I have a theory. I pretty much now think, i have been relying on carbs too much for the fuel and energy. Once the carb energy goes, i have less efficient fat burning energy left. I will try less carbs, forcing the body to utilize it's natural fats more.
Perhapsd people are nt telling us their secrets cos they don't want us to get faster!
- @ddraver
Eat a healthy balanced diet and learn to train well.
How fast can a fit cyclist go on few carbs? I ask because If they can do high speed 24mph+ on very little carbs for a decent duration. Then Is that, not a real measure of there true fitness speed? eg. A athlete can go fast or long time naturally. They don't need loads of carbs.
I find using good quality energy bars I can go all day at full power. I use these Torq bars and think they're brilliant. It's cannot be a coincidence that when I have these on 150-180 mile rides I am stronger throughout compared to a 70 miler where I rely on snickers
@freehub
I have a look at Torq. I also take some milk(protein+carbs) recovery on the way back from a long ride because i believe i'm feeding/repairing the muscles sooner than at home.
Making more sense typing and reading. I think i found a possible answer from reading Alien Biker's blog who races. I am going into the red too much(anaerobic exercise)without a good enough aerobic base despite all my previous cycling.
Rule 1: Always develop a proper aerobic base before engaging in ANY anaerobic exercise. It reported to take a couple of years to establish a good aerobic base!
If you not got a good decent aerobic base don't bother going fast, even for short periods.
Read this
http://alienbiker.com/category/cycling-base-training
What you think?
What i glean from that is concentrate on base training
Lots of regular short and long slow rides + 10-20% of fast intervals/anaerobic = strong fast endurance fat burning machine.
£1.40 a bar. As a regular keen rider I think if you made your own flapjack bars with maltodextrin, fructose and the ribose you save a fortune.
How much are tubs of said substances?
I use about 12 Torq bars a year.
Not eating carbs will simply slow down what you can do, which will inhibit the development of your aerobic fitness - which is what is required in order to improve our ability to reduce reliance on glycogen at higher effort levels.
Don't fall for the "fat burning myth".
This whole ride slowly for better aerobic conditioning is a bit of a myth. For example, our faster club runs are 18mph for 3 hours. I generally average 20mph for 60mins when out training solo and can ride in the faster groups of 22/23mph. My faster solo rides (aerobic conditioning) means I can ride with the 18's group very comfortably.
Don't put yourself under too much pressure it sounds like you've made good progress in a short time. Just keep training at a steady effort (even pace, except for hills; not laboured breathing, so you can talk briefly but long conversation would be difficult) such that you can recover and put in a similar effort maybe 2/3 days in a row or on alternative days. In my experience lots of plodding 4 hour rides often feels quite fatiguing and may take longer to recover from than a brisk 90 minute ride
Not worth for 12 then.
Here's my modified receipe idea from several top flapjack receipes.
Flapjack Rockets
200g Tricarb
50g Ribose
450g oats
350g butter
100g demerara sugar (reduced amount due to added tricarb)
50g golden syrup (reduced amount due to added tricarb)
100g smooth peanut butter
100g pumpkin,sunflower,sesame mix(vitamins + minerals)
150g chopped dried dates or dried apricots
1 tsp ground cinnamon
1 tsp ground ginger
3 bananas
mix oats, Tricarb and Ribose for a good 5 mins to ensure well mixed before adding rest of ingredients. bake in oven for 25-30 mins. if mix is too dry add milk or water for right stiff consistency.
I started at 15mph, now ride round at 20mph average with consistency. Trying to jump upto 25mph too quickly. I think i am overreaching too much. So I think more riding slower, will benefit me more and what you said.
I estimate it must go 35-38 on certain parts. Due to the speed, riders at the back were strung out doing 32mph and we were still being left behind.
That's my anaerobic workout done!
A 5lb lighter bike and the best wheels wouldn't make the difference - It's not about the bike...
With respect, pretty much any energy bar is going to provide a better release of energy than a snickers.
That will help you replace some of your stores if you are having lower glycopgen levels. Try have a more focused protein drink after you are riding when you are not working and stressing the muscle fibre. Look for a good quality prootein that can contain quick and slow release.
I come from a more weight training/rugby backgound and use a mixture of high level protein on smaller rides (25-30), and all-in-one formulas after longer rides. Especially after the longer rides it will provide protein and carbs to quickly fuel the muscles again. Some have creatine in, which I don't know how some people on here feel about that, it certainly helps me be explosive in short bursts up hills.
On top of that I am taking Glucosimine and Chridontine twice a day with a multi-vitamin and cod liver oil... old weight training joints siezing up....
Also, don't forget, and this is just my opinion, to hydrate. I have read on here where some people don't drink for miles. I personally couldn't as I sweat, and need to take some form of electolyte drink with me. Especially after I go out after work as I drink too much coffee and probably not enough water during the day. Plus I like the placebo effect it has on me
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Is the ride actually a chain gang? Is the 38mph estimate based on going down hill? I wouldn't worry about what you are eating I would be more concerned about what the other riders are injecting.
I would say he's telling porkies or he's got his mph/kmh mixed up.
It might be chain gang, a bicyle chain in motion. The one's at back just hang on for dear life and not able to participate. I not able to get to front to see in effect
What club is it?
PB's
10m 20:21 2014
25m 53:18 20:13
50m 1:57:12 2013
100m Yeah right.
That's faster then chain gangs I've been on.