Ian Tomlinson - No Charges

blister pus

Raymondavalon wrote:

If you insist, but perhaps I should start a Gulf War 2 rant about the atrocities and senseless killings committed to keep the oil price in check?
Perhaps the masters and servants of what even the UN termed as an "Illegal War" should be brought to book, right from Tony Blair to the little foot soldiers that attacked a nation who's only crime was the fact it floated on oil

boring. done to death

Raymondavalon

blister pus wrote:

boring. done to death

Of course because when it happens in someone else's back yard it doesn't matter

blister pus

Raymondavalon wrote:

blister pus wrote:

boring. done to death

Of course because when it happens in someone else's back yard it doesn't matter

i seem to remember a million or so on the streets of london and a large chunk of folks nationwide thinking it was a load of bollocks then, that didn't seem to make much difference to the people who made the decisions. there is nothing more to be said that hasn't been said already. i fully expect it to happen again in the not to distant future in this country

Splottboy

Are you that French dude, Nostradamblisterpus?

If you are, just let me know when this massive riot is to be, and where?

Oh, if you have it in Bethesda, Gwynedd, there won't be too much damage to pay for...

blister pus

Are you that French dude, Nostradamblisterpus?

2nd cousin 12 times removed. he's crap him. onions and garlic necklaces round the neck and stuff, tips vino in his ear and spits it out his mouth

Briggo

I'm glad you all know exactly what went on that day to make your minds up that the copper is definately guilty.

stubs

Briggo wrote:

I'm glad you all know exactly what went on that day to make your minds up that the copper is definitely guilty.

No one knows if he is guilty thats what a trial is for. A trial is the best thing that could happen to the policeman or men involved then they have the chance to plead there innocence. As it is now everyone assumes the Police must have something to hide.

I think the real villain in this is the pathologist who did the initial postmortem makes me wonder how many other PMs he has cocked up.

butcher of bakersfield

bails87 wrote:

So we've got video of an innocent man being attacked by a police officer.

Innocent? I don't think so.

Did his behavior warrant death? Absolutely not.

Did the officer mean to take the life of this man, or even inflict injury? I highly doubt it.

Did this guy even die as a direct consequence of the attack? Who knows..

Briggo

stubs wrote:

Briggo wrote:

I'm glad you all know exactly what went on that day to make your minds up that the copper is definitely guilty.

No one knows if he is guilty

Exactly, however the way half of the posters are going on in this thread it sounds like he commited murder in cold blood and has used the first of 100 get out of jail free cards courtesy of the police force.

Stevo_666

Like I mentioned before, why don't they try for a civil case. Then we'll see which way it goes...

Northwind

stubs wrote:

Dont know if Police undercover operatives were involved in that particular riot but at a protest I was invoved in they certainly were.

There was without a doubt undercovers at the G8 demos I attended, and I saw one throwing stuff at the police lines at one point and encouraging others to do the same. I know cos I went to school with him and I know he's in the force So unless he was on his day off and decided to spend it throwing stuff at his colleagues...

Briggo wrote:

Exactly, however the way half of the posters are going on in this thread it sounds like he commited murder in cold blood and has used the first of 100 get out of jail free cards courtesy of the police force.

I dunno. "Murder in cold blood"? His actions weren't designed to kill. Manslaughter I can see. Assault I think would have been proven no bother.

A mate of mine used to be in the CPS. His opinion on it is that someone's screwed up, he reckons that they were convinced they could make the case for manslaughter so didn't put any effort into an assault case, which is how the deadline was missed. Then, as time went on discovered they couldn't make that case because of the bad medical evidence, but that it was too late to go for the lesser offence. Right or not, who knows, sounds plausible enough.

spen666

Northwind wrote:

.....A mate of mine used to be in the CPS. His opinion on it is that someone's screwed up, he reckons that they were convinced they could make the case for manslaughter so didn't put any effort into an assault case, which is how the deadline was missed. Then, as time went on discovered they couldn't make that case because of the bad medical evidence, but that it was too late to go for the lesser offence. Right or not, who knows, sounds plausible enough.

Your mate clearly doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

The IPCC investigation took longer than 6 months, so the time limit for a common assault prosecution had passed long before the CPS got the file, so its not the CPS fault there is no common assault charge

Anonymous

spen666 wrote:

Your mate clearly doesn't know his ars* from his elbow.

let me help:

Splottboy

What's this "Time Limit" thing?

What get's me, if you've got a Blame/Claim trip or fall, you have 3 yrs to take up the case.
So, a busted ankle.knee, wrist COULD seem to APPEAR to be more important than an assualt

Can't a Private Prosecution be taken out by the family?
Seems to be a great deal of at least "circumstantial evidence" to trawl through.

Apparently, out of something like a few hudred serious assault whilst in Police Custody, and several Deaths, NO ONE has ever been found guilty. ( Source, Legal Expert, Radio 5 Live, Wednesday evening.)

Northwind

spen666 wrote:

Your mate clearly doesn't know his ars* from his elbow.

The IPCC investigation took longer than 6 months, so the time limit for a common assault prosecution had passed long before the CPS got the file

I imagine he's not aware of that then.

Though if this is true... Suddenly I find myself looking at things in a totally different light, is it really the case that the CPS had to wait till the IPCC were done? So the IPCC in effect made it impossible for the CPS to bring their preferred case? If so, that seems clearly wrong (though i have to say it doesn't sound right, the IPCC and CPS ought to have seperate investigations as I understand it)

bails87

Tomlinson pathologist 'not qualified' for G20 case

So the person who, in effect, removed any real chance of a prosecution shouldn't have been involved in the first place.

Whether the initial 'act of self defence'/'unprovoked attack' (depending on your viewpoint) was right or wrong, the subsequent investigation seems to have been utterly ballsed up.

Anonymous

suprise suprise. an investigation into the police and its behaviour was doomed to fail from the start.

bails87

sheepsteeth
How cynical...

carbonfiend

We seem to want the police to pick the battles that suit us, give them more power to 'deal' with youths and chavs yet we cry tears when somebody suffers who was clearly being antagnistic in his refusal to obey a command from an officer of the law. How would everybody react if it was a hoodie I doubt with the same sympathy. I have seen and felt first hand the reaction of the police and I can honestly say from my experience if you enter a situation like Mr Tomlinson did and behave in a way as to provoke and not expect a response then you are stupid and gullable. Not being cynical and the whole event is a tragedy but f**k with the police and they will f**k back with you FACT.

Anonymous

carbonfiend wrote:

the police are twatbreaths and i like them

nice.

Anonymous

stubs wrote:

IcarusGreen wrote:

Police undercover operatives were involved in that particular riot but at a protest I was invoved in they certainly were. Several big lads were pointed out to me by a friend. Watch them he said they will be mouthing off acting tough and winding people up and taking pictures but when it gets rowdy they will disappear.

That happens in any crowd violence though, whether it's a riot or protest, or just a town centre on a Saturday night.
You always get big thuggish types trying to start a fight, but as soon as it gets heavy, they scarper.

Raymondavalon

*Yawn* Ian who?
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Oh.. that from way back when..

Anonymous

Raymondavalon wrote:

*Yawn* Ian who?
Oh.. that from way back when..

Probably hasn't been in the daily mail recently.

Raymondavalon

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Probably hasn't been in the daily mail recently.

Sorry to disappoint you twatbreath but I don't really indulge in the British tabloids or way of life to be honest
Sh¡t happens, people die, that's life and how I accept it. I mean how often can one mope on about the death of a person?

blister pus

except no-one is moping.

bails pointed out the bbc article about the pathologist that's all.

Anonymous

twatbreath?

you cant see but i am actually LOLing real hard, thats the best insult ive ever heard, im going to pretend i invented it, in fact look up and you will see i did.

Anonymous

Raymondavalon wrote:

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Probably hasn't been in the daily mail recently.

Sorry to disappoint you twatbreath but I don't really indulge in the British tabloids or way of life to be honest
Sh¡t happens, people die, that's life and how I accept it. I mean how often can one mope on about the death of a person?

i'd rather have my breath stink of twat, than shit, or cock.
I won't go so far as to ask what you'd prefer.

(Pissing myself laughing at the reaction to the daily mail quip as well )

Anonymous

Oh, incidentally, I'm curious to know what you think the "British" way of life is.

Raymondavalon

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Oh, incidentally, I'm curious to know what you think the "British" way of life is.

Dull, over reactionary and mediocre with a nanny state government that clicks it's heels to Brussels and tiptoes around Islam and minorities in the absolute horror that someone may be offended.

The west midlands is the bottom of the barrel though, an area of mainly single digit IQ range where football is god and watching Sky Sports News repeating the same stuff over and over on the local pub's HD TV screen is classified as an excellent evening out

Anonymous

Raymondavalon wrote:

yeehaamcgee wrote:

Oh, incidentally, I'm curious to know what you think the "British" way of life is.

Dull, over reactionary and mediocre with a nanny state government that clicks it's heels to Brussels and tiptoes around Islam and minorities in the absolute horror that someone may be offended.

you could always bugger off elsewhere.