Raoul Moat Facebook Page

MattC59

Deserving or undeserving of the tributes ?

Discuss......................

(I'll leave my thoughts out for the moment, so as not to throw bias into the post :? )

zanes

Still need more info. If the latest news about him seeking pyschological help for his (perceived or otherwise) mental problems are true then it changes him (not totally perhaps) from an evil person into someone who was (potentially) very ill, and another person who was failed by the mental health provision in this country.

Pokerface

I love how everyone always plays the free speech card when it comes to things like this.

Whoever set the page up probably did it as a joke and is just attention-seeking. Those that post comments on the page like "you're my hero" and "legend" etc are also just playing along.


I doubt anyone would 'seriously' pay tribute to someone like this if they were being honest.

MattC59

Pokerface wrote:

I doubt anyone would 'seriously' pay tribute to someone like this if they were being honest.

Have you seen the profile pics of the people commenting and leaving messages ? Let's just say, most of them look to be 'of a type'.................

rapid_uphill

I joined it and i also posted on it saying "he didnt deserve to die" which he didnt.

mroli

Hang on - am I missing something here:

1) He murdered someone else;
2) He shot his ex girlfriend
3) He tried to murder a policeman blinding him because he was a policeman
4) He killed himself.

Why is there a facebook tribute page to him? Why are people joining it?

Haven't been to the page and haven't followed the story that closely, but a bit confused?

rapid_uphill

Because he was a legend.

finchy

mroli wrote:

Hang on - am I missing something here:

1) He murdered someone else;
2) He shot his ex girlfriend
3) He tried to murder a policeman blinding him because he was a policeman
4) He killed himself.

Why is there a facebook tribute page to him? Why are people joining it?

Some people just like nasty bastards.

It's dying down a bit now, but a few years ago all the bookshops had massive bio sections on killers, gangsters and other criminals.

When one of the Kray twins died thousands of cockneys lined the streets to say goodbye.

I'm confused as well, maybe it's just a case of anybody famous whatever reason will get a following.

MattC59

rapid_uphill wrote:

Because he was a legend.

explain ?

Gazzaputt

That Facebook page just shows what a twisted society it's becoming.

Legend? For what?

Fella was steriod nut job. I just hope he suffered as he pulled the trigger on himself.

IronHorse100

rapid_uphill wrote:

Because he was a legend.

I think we're all beginning to understand that rapid uphill is a blert of the highest order.

softlad

IronHorse100 wrote:

rapid_uphill wrote:

Because he was a legend.

I think we're all beginning to understand that rapid uphill is a blert of the highest order.

troll of the highest order...I bet he isn't rapid uphill, either...

Pokerface

rapid_uphill wrote:

I joined it and i also posted on it saying "he didnt deserve to die" which he didnt.

Shouldn't have shot himself then. :roll:

Percy Vera

MattC59 wrote:

(I'll leave my thoughts out for the moment, so as not to throw bias into the post :? )

Are you the gang leader on BikeRadar? Are we your yes men?
Why would your opinion bias our opinion? :?

1footedninja

I've heard a little bit about all this: the gazza bit made me see it all for all how absurd it all is

the only thing I would like to know about what really happened is about the new style tazers that apparently the police tried out on him & not in the typical 'advert' style on the news which makes these new style tasers look oh so what we need to fight the scurge across the land blah blah bobbies to riotcops scenario, also the belief that he didnt shoot himself but once he had been tasered the gun went off because of involuntarily actions of the effects of being tasered.

to be honest couldnt give two sh!ts either way about who he was etc , just I never take whatever media I'm hearing as ad-verbatim, like alot of the country does now, the brainwashed masses with a viewpoint they don't even know how they got to conclude that viewpoint in the first place, except through unreasoned debate based on trite news media developed to aid us into not thinking for ourselves....

as far as having a facebook page & cameron blagging on about these sort of thing should not be encouraged, ok to have the riot cops though who do beat innocent people as well as those seen as not so innocent, oh and lets not forget our brave soldiers out fighting wars in the name of whichever dictator is in 'power' with blood on their hands



its all cover up for the political and corporate stooges who parade in daylight who are the real criminals.....I can hear the laughter from them now as we plebs suck up all this moat stuff and goldfish bowl are brains to the next unexciting bit of 'whatever'.

antfly

Pokerface wrote:

I love how everyone always plays the free speech card when it comes to things like this.

Whoever set the page up probably did it as a joke and is just attention-seeking. Those that post comments on the page like "you're my hero" and "legend" etc are also just playing along.


I doubt anyone would 'seriously' pay tribute to someone like this if they were being honest.

I think you are overestimating people somewhat, some people really are that perverse and dumb which is kind of confirmed by some of the comments on here.

Buckled_Rims

Good riddance to scum like Moat.

He was a woman beating bully with a pet lip. He only became famous because of the "Big Brother, X-factor" media hype. What did he do? Please tell me what he did that the police don't see each day in the UK?

Worse then the Facebook Chavs is the Soft Liberals who cry " he sought psychological help....blah blah blah". He simply wanted to claim invalidity benefit for depression or similar mental problem, nothing more, he was a fake. Millions of other people have had hard lives but have never murdered. Moat was a loser who blamed everyone and everything.

In my book he was a weak pathetic loser. I suppose a book will be written about his life, but it'll be like all the other "hard men and gangster" books, full of BS read by people who have no life themselves and believe in any bit of crap.

rake

what did mote ride? 36 spoke wheels no doubt.

morstar

Buckled_Rims wrote:

Worse then the Facebook Chavs is the Soft Liberals who cry " he sought psychological help....blah blah blah".

I'll take that as me told then!

Good to know you have all this sorted out. Now, just supposing he did raise serious concerns about his mental deterioration, potentially some of the current mess could have been avoided.

I'm no expert in mental health as indeed you are clearly not either. Clearly the guy was a loose cannon and has done some unpleasant things. I don't think he's a loss to society but I do think this is a damn sight more complicated and was possibly avoidable rather than this black and white he was a bad man blah blah blah.

This is clearly a very different case from Derrick Bird in the lakes where there were no signs at all of what was to come. If you keep your eye on the bigger picture rather than your Cameronesque Daily Mail tub thumping, perhaps, just perhaps something can be learnt from this situation.

rapid_uphill

The facebook page is down now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/7892398/Raoul-Moat-Facebook-tribute-page-deleted.html

antfly

The woman who started it sounds like a particularly stupid bi tch.

sheffsimon

1footedninja wrote:

I've heard a little bit about all this: the gazza bit made me see it all for all how absurd it all is

the only thing I would like to know about what really happened is about the new style tazers that apparently the police tried out on him & not in the typical 'advert' style on the news which makes these new style tasers look oh so what we need to fight the scurge across the land blah blah bobbies to riotcops scenario, also the belief that he didnt shoot himself but once he had been tasered the gun went off because of involuntarily actions of the effects of being tasered.

to be honest couldnt give to sh!ts either way about who he was etc , just I never take whatever media I'm hearing as ad-verbatim, like alot of the country does now, the brainwashed masses with a viewpoint they don't even know how they got to conclude that viewpoint in the first place, except through unreasoned debate based on trite news media developed to aid us into not thinking for ourselves....

as far as having a facebook page & cameron blagging on about these sort of thing should not be encouraged, ok to have the riot cops though who do beat innocent people as well as those seen as not so innocent, oh and lets not forget our brave soldiers out fighting wars in the name of whichever dictator is in 'power' with blood on their hands



its all cover up for the political and corporate stooges who parade in daylight who are the real criminals.....I can hear the laughter from them now as we plebs suck up all this moat stuff and goldfish bowl are brains to the next unexciting bit of 'whatever'.

Rant over? Dont you think you made a bit of a leap here, from some nutter killing some innocents and then himself, to a whole Iraq/Afghan war cover-up story?

Ben6899

1footedninja has 'previous'...

finchy

Buckled_Rims wrote:

Worse then the Facebook Chavs is the Soft Liberals who cry " he sought psychological help....blah blah blah". He simply wanted to claim invalidity benefit for depression or similar mental problem, nothing more, he was a fake. Millions of other people have had hard lives but have never murdered. Moat was a loser who blamed everyone and everything.

In my book he was a weak pathetic loser. I suppose a book will be written about his life, but it'll be like all the other "hard men and gangster" books, full of BS read by people who have no life themselves and believe in any bit of crap.

First bit: I don't have any sympathy for the man, but if he did try to get help, then surely it should be investigated. If for whatever reason social services failed to help him, then they need to learn the lessons to prevent things like this happening again. It's not being a "Soft Liberal" to want to prevent future murders.

Second bit: +1. Absolute shite, a pollution of the concept of books.

-liam-

rapid_uphill wrote:

Because he was a legend.

I've seen your posts and imo, you are a sensationalist troll just looking to post comments to rouse a reaction, therefore what ever you have to say deserves nothing but contempt.

The bloke is a murderer.

Peter Sutcliffe is also a murderer with mental issues. He is NOT a legend either.

If you agree with capital punishment for certain crimes, which I do, then perhaps he just got what was coming. I'd be happy for lots more murderers to end their own lives in such a miserable manner.

mroli

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ita36IfBa2g

I mean. Jaysus wept...

-liam-

spastic

Cleat Eastwood

I feel sorry for him.The media smelt blood and manipulated events to such a degree that his death seemed the only logical outcome. One bbc journalist last friday even said "it would only end with moat killing himself....(slight pause)....oh or the police successfully negotiating his surrender".

What ever your views on the mans crimes to die a desparate sad death feeling unloved and regretting a fatherless childhood is sad, as is the unnecessary death of any living thing.

I think onefootedninja is right, there is a manipulated cycle of events to whit violence is suggested as the only solution, as he/she has posted in another thread, this will continue until we as a race evolve to a state of higher grace and learning.

What is bemusing is the tone of the facebook threads that brazenly attack police/prison officers, who by their nature are dealing with events and individuals after a crime as somehow being complicit in Moats initial arrest and conviction. Seems they are just using this event to vent their anti police agenda, I think a mans life, who'er he be should be worth more than that.

Porgy

-Liam- wrote:

rapid_uphill wrote:

Because he was a legend.

I've seen your posts and imo, you are a sensationalist troll just looking to post comments to rouse a reaction, therefore what ever you have to say deserves nothing but contempt.

The bloke was a murderer.

Peter Sutcliffe is also a murderer with mental issues. He is NOT a legend either.

If you agree with capital punishment for certain crimes, which I do, then perhaps he just got what was coming. I'd be happy for lots more murderers to end their own lives in such a miserable manner.

Hope that's not too nitpicking :P :?

tebbit

The Facebook woman does seem to be flying in the face of the evolutionary principle and the idea that we are created in God's image as well, very scary

1footedninja

Sheffsimon & ben6899:

No rant here steel city fella, far from it, just my take on things, like what you have to say is your take on things, like the polices take on things, like moats take on things, like the people who go on facebook, their take on things etc etc etc - get the drift?

Your obivously not getting how I make this 'leap' you talk about either - not the actual 'moat' scenario but the way the media is used to cover very boring stories like this and celeb world goings on rather than what the public should really be clued up on.

And if you don't know how to connect the dots and make conversational 'leaps' to other topics of conversation then your not very intelleejunt are you eh!

And there is no Iraq/Afghan war cover-up, oh! except the stuff that never make the mainstream media anyway, and I'm sure theres plenty of that goes on, so no idea where you got that 'leap' from. Me thinks you both really need to find another scapegoat for your inane beliefs that I actually give a rats turd about the way you come across in your communications towards my opinions.