atkins diet
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It's all about bangs for your buck (or whatever) especially if you're trying to reduce calorie intake. What you do actually eat needs to be high in nutritional value - minerals, vitamins etc. If you're burning 4000 calories a day there room for some white bread or boiled to death pasta - but if you're 2000 a day you have to choose your food more carefully or end up malnourished0
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Some healthy breads can cause more problems than they solve by the amount of insulin the body produces to help digest them. It's like adding sugar to your diet. Best advice for anyone is to speak to a nutritionist for advice of what food stuffs suit you and not a generalisation.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0
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Surely wholegrain breads etc don't cause any greater insulin secretion than refined ones, unless there's something I'm missing? The carbs are in the form of starch either way. This will get broken down to simple sugars (glucose etc), causing insulin secretion and consequently storage of the sugars as glycogen. The digestion part (hydrolysis of starch, a "complex" carb, to produce glucose, a simple carb) just means that the blood glucose rises more slowly and the insulin release doesn't spike so much as it would if you were eating sugar. In wholegrain breads I would imagine that if anything the digestion might be more complex because of all of the fiber and other stuff associated with the starch, but surely this would just slow it down even more and smooth the insulin release even further?Some healthy breads can cause more problems than they solve by the amount of insulin the body produces to help digest them. It's like adding sugar to your diet. Best advice for anyone is to speak to a nutritionist for advice of what food stuffs suit you and not a generalisation.0 -
Yup, I was right - wholegrains are associated with increased sensitivity to insulin compared to refined carbs (i.e. you don't need to produce so much, a good thing), not the opposite.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14594783
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/464126
Carbs will all cause insulin secretion assuming you are not burning them immediately (as you will be when you are actually riding), but the more complex they are and the less refined, the more gradual and healthy the insulin response is likely to be.0 -
Very true. The point I was making is that bread in a health guise can be just as damaging. For those with a yeast intolerence like myself it's hard to manange going without it. Best I can do is a little rather than total abstension.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0
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Yes, if you're yeast intolerant or gluten intolerant, bread can be rather bad for you - my sympathies. Ironically it doesn't have much to do with carbs or insulin, in the case of gluten it's a protein found in wheat that the gut can't handle in susceptible individuals. There are probably more people who think they are gluten intolerant than who actually are however, due to the hype surrounding it in the "alternative" food scene.Very true. The point I was making is that bread in a health guise can be just as damaging. For those with a yeast intolerence like myself it's hard to manange going without it. Best I can do is a little rather than total abstension.
As you said, we're all different. It's a pity that every human body doesn't come with its own manual, it's taken me 20 years to fine-tune the diet that seems to suit me best! Give it another 20 years and maybe we'll all have our own genome sequences and will be able to paste them into an online app. and get our ideal individual diets recommended...
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As you said, we're all different. It's a pity that every human body doesn't come with its own manual, it's taken me 20 years to fine-tune the diet that seems to suit me best! Give it another 20 years and maybe we'll all have our own genome sequences and will be able to paste them into an online app. and get our ideal individual diets recommended...
I hope so!
If you want a diet that gives energy and works well with cycling etc (and you can cope with the naff name) have a look at what Slimming World have developed.
Between us OH and I have shed 45Kg on this, and its made a hell of a difference to our lives.
You can tailor it to suit your food preferences, and bananas are unlimited!
I consume a cooked breakfast everyday, loads of fruit and veg and lean meat and can still have a few glass of wine!- Its also a diet thats recommended for people with food intolerances or allergies!Wheeze..... Gasp..... Ruddy hills.......0 -
As we all fall into three categories of body shape i.e. ectomorph, endomorph and mesomorph, it's naturally follows that we'll all have different dietary needs. Alas you can't change what body shape you are no matter what you eat or how you exercise.I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.0
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Atkins is a specific kind of low carb diet - people shouldn't write off the concept of low carb diets just because of the bad press Atkins has had. Most low carb diets are actually very healthy and packed with veg in place of the processed wheat which most people eat far too much of.
I have enjoyed a low carb diet before and had bundles of energy and was loosing body fat. On the other hand I really like risotto, fresh bread, mash potato, pasta, chips....0 -
I thought the only reason atkin's worked was because lots of protein makes you feel fuller quicker, so you ultimately just end up consuming less calories.
There's a much quicker and easier way:
Put the fork down.
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That's what the Horizon documentary concluded. They tried really hard to find evidence of the ketosis fat burning thing that the Atkins proponents go on about, but failed. In the end, by keeping detailed food diaries, they discovered that the restrictions on what they were allowed to eat meant that the dieters were simply consuming fewer calories.
More recent studies on dieting have shown how protein makes you feel full quicker and for longer, so this may also be an additional factor.
I'm not a fan of extreme diets. Moderate intake of a quality, balanced diet for me, with as much exercise as I can manage.0 -
I think this is the point people who say 'just eat less' are missing. The Atkins diet may surpress appetite, but in a way that is what works for most people, will power is not always that good !
I did the atkins diet a few years ago, and it is a myth that you HAVE to eat meat all the time. Many people refer to it as the 'meat' diet, or say 'oh, that's where you can eat all that fat!'. You can, but you don't have to. I mainly ate salad with some meat. Most veg is also OK.
I didn't do it for weight loss, as I was quite fit, rowing 10K per night on my rower, so I only lost another 9lbs, but what it did do was boost my energy. It was like being plugged in to the mains, I was wide awake all evening, something I'm not now. I was considering going back on it, but it is difficult when you are married (I was single then), as you really need to banish all the 'illegal' food from the house to be safe.
Many diets are effectively the Atkins in disguise, with a big reduction in carb intake. As someone has said before, processed flour is the big enemy, followed by potatoes.
Incidentally, Atkins didn't initially develop the diet for weight loss, I believe it was for diabetic treatment.0 -
Percy Veere wrote:I think this is the point people who say 'just eat less' are missing. The Atkins diet may surpress appetite, but in a way that is what works for most people, will power is not always that good !
I did the atkins diet a few years ago, and it is a myth that you HAVE to eat meat all the time. Many people refer to it as the 'meat' diet, or say 'oh, that's where you can eat all that fat!'. You can, but you don't have to. I mainly ate salad with some meat. Most veg is also OK.
Me too - I used to have huge salads with everything on them including cheese - and sometimes tuna. Ate lots of fish.
I lost weight steadily the whole time I kept it up. It was only the abundance of scare stories etc. that suddenly filled the media - and various relatives including my daughter nagging me to stop that I stopped. They all felt that it was dangerous. Put two stone back on right away.0 -
I had to (still have to) lose a lot of weight and went on a low carb diet from Boots, I lost about a stone in a month. I'd also lost a stone over a couple a months cycling more and cutting out the obvious carp, chocolate, cakes usual rubbish office munchies.
The one thing about the diet was, I ate a LOT of salads and fruit, which made me feel quite chipper generally, however without the sugars that I was accustomed to coursing through my veins, cycling seemed much harder. Don't know how much was in my head, but it was like bonking first, then getting on the bike, 20 to 30 miles seemed like 60+. However, I did lose weight as intended, and it was only for 5 weeks (6 weeks intended)
I still wonder if the it was the strict regime that actually lost the weight. And having some carbs after I was off it and getting on the bike felt GREAT!!0
