FreeMason Protestor - Parliament Sq

spen666

Anyone know anything about the coloured gentleman who regularly protests in parliament square with placards alleging freemasons killed various named people- some of whom appear to be Freemasons.

He also sometimes stands with the placards in Manor Park in East London.

He seems to spend a lot of time on these protests.

NGale

nowt better to do it seems.

spen666

He seems from appearances to be well dressed and not your usual protestor.

I wondered if anyone knew anything about why he has such a zeal about the Freemasons

night_porter

Maybe he once got banned from the Freemasons Arms

Now has to go to the Queens Head or the Red Lion?

dhope

Should imagine he is a nut.

tarquin_foxglove

dhope wrote:

Should imagine he is a nut.

That's what they want you to think.

cee

spen666 wrote:

He seems from appearances to be well dressed and not your usual protestor.

I wondered if anyone knew anything about why he has such a zeal about the Freemasons

maybe he is a boundmason?

dhope

tarquin_foxglove wrote:

dhope wrote:

Should imagine he is a nut.

That's what they want you to think.

Then they've done a fine job, along with the preaching nut around Oxford Street

Agent57

spen666 wrote:

coloured gentleman

If he was green, he's probably a Martian, which could explain his odd behaviour.

tailwindhome

J R Hartley couldn't have cast that bait any better

Chapeau

jonny_trousers

spen666 wrote:

Anyone know anything about the coloured gentleman who regularly protests in parliament square with placards alleging freemasons killed various named people- some of whom appear to be Freemasons.

No, but thank you for bringing him to our attention. He will not be troubling you, or indeed anyone else, again.

lost_in_thought

Go chat to him Spen, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell you alllllllllllll about it!

spen666

lost_in_thought wrote:

Go chat to him Spen, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell you alllllllllllll about it!

That's why I've avoided speaking to him.

I's like a 2 sentence explanation of it - not 2 hours worth.

I'll get the boys from the Grand Temple to deal with him

Porgy

Agent57 wrote:

spen666 wrote:

coloured gentleman

If he was green, he's probably a Martian, which could explain his odd behaviour.

LOL

so, Spen, what colour was he?

lost_in_thought

spen666 wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

Go chat to him Spen, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell you alllllllllllll about it!

That's why I've avoided speaking to him.

I's like a 2 sentence explanation of it - not 2 hours worth.

I'll get the boys from the Grand Temple to deal with him

Send your secretary to chat with him and get her to do a summary for you.

bails87

Porgy wrote:

Agent57 wrote:

spen666 wrote:

coloured gentleman

If he was green, he's probably a Martian, which could explain his odd behaviour.

LOL

so, Spen, what colour was he?

Canny Jock

Wow - used to see him near Monument all the time, wondered where he had got to!

kelsen

Canny Jock wrote:

Wow - used to see him near Monument all the time, wondered where he had got to!

Me too. Has he bought a megaphone yet or is he still cupping his hand to form a rudimentary one? S'true!

mybreakfastconsisted

The word "coloured" is used by those too ignorant to recognise the offence it causes.

Or by racists.

larfingravy

Says who? You?

mybreakfastconsisted

larfingravy wrote:

Says who? You?

I can't believe there are still people who use derogatory words and deny any possible offence....

Using the word is reducing people to a colour, rather than a person...

It was seen as a offensive term back the 50's when you had a street fountain for "Whites" and then a much dirtier one "For Coloureds".

It is more ignorant than insulting to use the word colored. When directed at a black person, it recalls a time when blacks were considered less than others were. Most people who use this word are simply ignorant, and should know that this word sends chills down the back of many black people like using the phrase "half caste", for obvious reasons, or "nigger".

amnezia

coloured is racist now? :roll:

spen666

amnezia wrote:

coloured is racist now? :roll:

Yes apparently- describing someone to identify them from other protestors is apprently racist.

Don't worry, give it a few years and the term black will be racist and we will have to use coloured again.


BTW the coloured male was there again this morning putting up his placards about the freemasons killing various people. He is not part of the other protests in parliament square and seems to have little contact with the other groups

rjsterry

For a start, it's just good manners to refer to people in whatever way that they prefer. Secondly, names always tend to accrue additional 'meanings' from historical usage - 'skinhead' tends to imply a far-right thug, when at a basic level it just means someone with a shaved head. 'Coloured' has particular negative historical associations for black people, however you intend the word to be interpreted, so just show some sensitivity.

woodford2barbican

spen666 wrote:

amnezia wrote:

coloured is racist now? :roll:

Yes apparently- describing someone to identify them from other protestors is apprently racist.

Don't worry, give it a few years and the term black will be racist and we will have to use coloured again.


BTW the coloured male was there again this morning putting up his placards about the freemasons killing various people. He is not part of the other protests in parliament square and seems to have little contact with the other groups

Fundamentally the skin tone of this man is irrelevant to the original question - on reading your original post I did wonder why it was necessary to mention it.

Is it because you see a 'coloured' person and not a person?

I am not trolling. It is a legitmate question.

I don't want to / won't debate it with you either, it is a question for you to consider.

Agent57

mybreakfastconsisted wrote:

this word sends chills down the back of many black people like using the phrase "half caste", for obvious reasons

I don't find half-caste particularly offensive. It certainly wouldn't send chills down my back. I'm not keen on being called a jungle bunny or Paki though.

tailwindhome

Get the keep net ready

They're biting

DonDaddyD

TailWindHome wrote:

Get the keep net ready

They're biting

+1.

Spen666 is a prick.

He knows the word has historic offensive connotations. He is probably writing it to make some pathetic point. Why even bother.

Yes I don't object to stating the ethnicity of the person when detailing a story but the words I used, such as black, white, mixed race etc don't have their origins rooted in offense.

Agent57 wrote:

I don't find half-caste particularly offensive. It certainly wouldn't send chills down my back. I'm not keen on being called a jungle bunny or Paki though.

Actually I know some mixed race people that would physically harm you for calling them that. Its just as offensive/racist as calling someone the other words you typed.

Agent57

DonDaddyD wrote:

Actually I know some mixed race people that would physically harm you for calling them that. Its just as offensive/racist as calling someone the other words you typed.

I suppose it depends on the individual's experiences. I'm mixed race (Indian & Chinese on my dad's side, via Guyana & Trinidad), and don't have a problem with it. In fact, I'm willing to describe myself as a half-caste. But as I said before, I do have a problem with the others.

DonDaddyD

It's about knowing more than what the word means, its about understanding where it comes from:

From Wiki,
Half-caste (or often mis-spelt half-cast) is a term used to describe people of mixed race or ethnicity. Caste comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the dervative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race. The term originates from the Indian caste system, where a person of 'lesser' or half-caste would be deemed to be of a 'lower class'. While the origins of the term are derogatory, its usage has evolved to give it the more objective meaning described above.

In Australia the term is thoroughly offensive, and was used in the past to describe Indigenous people of mixed racial parentage. The term "Aboriginal" or "Indigenous" in the Australian context no longer requires that a person described by such a term has a minimum proportion of Indigenous heritage. Terms such as "half-caste" or "part-Aboriginal" are no longer used.

Half caste is a term used in the United Kingdom (although no longer used in common parlance) and other English-speaking parts of the world. An example is a child of black African and white European parentage. The term mulatto (from Spanish "Mulato") has also been used for this particular mixture. Both terms are considered impolite and potentially offensive in the U.S., as the words have been used pejoratively in the past to ostracize and isolate the offspring of such unions. For example, "children of the plantation" (the children of African-American slaves and their European-American masters in the U.S. Southern states) were not accepted as heirs, and in most cases, the relationship was never acknowledged, and "half-caste" conveyed the deliberate exclusion.

notsoblue

Agent57 wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Actually I know some mixed race people that would physically harm you for calling them that. Its just as offensive/racist as calling someone the other words you typed.

I suppose it depends on the individual's experiences. I'm mixed race (Indian & Chinese on my dad's side, via Guyana & Trinidad), and don't have a problem with it. In fact, I'm willing to describe myself as a half-caste. But as I said before, I do have a problem with the others.

+1 I describe myself as half-caste. I'm proud of it. Context and individual experience is everything though.