Is fabio capello good enough for england?

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IronHorse100

rapid_uphill wrote:

theyre all shite ur shite aswell.

ok, apology due - just a little upset after what i watched that;s all.

But seriously, look up Capello's record. The people at fault were the ones on the pitch and the ones in blazers at the FA and Premier League respectively. Big wake up call - the one positive I can think of at present.

rick_chasey

Seriously. How are people forgetting that this very same team couldn't qualify for Euro 2008?

2nd Round in the World Cup isn't bad considering...

Splottboy

"This Coach is dead. Deceased, gone to meet it's Maker. It's an ex-Coach...
COACHY! Wake up Coachy!!!"

Airwave

Will we now wake up to the fact that our players ARE NOT WORLD CLASS..Messi is,Rooney is not- fact.Hopefully realism will break out now. :roll:

dg74

I think the John Terry debacle probably hurt the team more than anything else. Terry looks the sort to have the ear of quite a few of the team.

I'd question Ashley Cole as today he was woeful, absolutely stinking. And as for Johnson - I see better players on a Sunday in Wallsend.

Rooney I'd cut some slack. Didn't look fit all tournament - the performances were of an under par Rooney, fact.

As for Capello - his record at club level is phenomenal, I'd lay the blame at the players door and not Capello. Of course though, the Red Tops and general gutter press will be out for him now.

England needs a total overhaul. We're not a great team, we're s h i t, completely s h i t and the sooner this is realised the better.

Cleat Eastwood

dg74 wrote:

I think the John Terry debacle probably hurt the team more than anything else. Terry looks the sort to have the ear of quite a few of the team.

I'd question Ashley Cole as today he was woeful, absolutely stinking. And as for Johnson - I see better players on a Sunday in Wallsend.

Rooney I'd cut some slack. Didn't look fit all tournament - the performances were of an under par Rooney, fact.

As for Capello - his record at club level is phenomenal, I'd lay the blame at the players door and not Capello. Of course though, the Red Tops and general gutter press will be out for him now.

England needs a total overhaul. We're not a great team, we're s h i t, completely s h i t and the sooner this is realised the better.

+1

I blame Christine Bleakley

I had high expectations for Gerrard too, it was like he was speaking a different language today, no communication, no form,no shape.

And even as an LFC fan it was a big mistake taking carragher.

Funny to say it but arguably David Calamity James was our best player.

dg74

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

dg74 wrote:

I think the John Terry debacle probably hurt the team more than anything else. Terry looks the sort to have the ear of quite a few of the team.

I'd question Ashley Cole as today he was woeful, absolutely stinking. And as for Johnson - I see better players on a Sunday in Wallsend.

Rooney I'd cut some slack. Didn't look fit all tournament - the performances were of an under par Rooney, fact.

As for Capello - his record at club level is phenomenal, I'd lay the blame at the players door and not Capello. Of course though, the Red Tops and general gutter press will be out for him now.

England needs a total overhaul. We're not a great team, we're s h i t, completely s h i t and the sooner this is realised the better.

+1

I blame Christine Bleakley

I had high expectations for Gerrard too, it was like he was speaking a different language today, no communication, no form,no shape.

And even as an LFC fan it was a big mistake taking carragher.

Funny to say it but arguably David Calamity James was our best player.

Have to agree

BTW what's your take on the Gerrard rumour of him and the 16 year old lass he got knocked up?

nicensleazy

Yes he is.....no the team isn't! They are a bunch of self styled prima donnas and are more focused on themselves then playing for England. Its a bloody disgrace. Sack the lot of them! In fact, I reckon the English rugby team would of done a better job! This is why I am completely turned off from football.

Cleat Eastwood

Well rumours round here were that the girl was the niece of former lfc coach and caretaker manager (after dalglish and souness left), (googlethose facts and you should spot him) and the friction there caused his lack of form near the end of the season.

finchy

Rick Chasey wrote:

Seriously. How are people forgetting that this very same team couldn't qualify for Euro 2008?

2nd Round in the World Cup isn't bad considering...

Greece didn't qualify for the WC in 2002. Didn't stop them winning Euro 2004.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the English style of play - always rush, rush, rush, whereas continental teams are much happier to let the ball do the work. This style may work against lesser teams and in qualifying in autumn and early spring, but after the players have been playing like this all year (box to box players like Gerrard and Lampard in particular) then come the WC they won't be as fresh as other teams, especially with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard not being in their mid-20s anymore.

It looked like some of the more dynamic players - Rooney and Gerrard - were really burnt out this year.

rick_chasey

johnfinch wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Seriously. How are people forgetting that this very same team couldn't qualify for Euro 2008?

2nd Round in the World Cup isn't bad considering...

Greece didn't qualify for the WC in 2002. Didn't stop them winning Euro 2004.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the English style of play - always rush, rush, rush, whereas continental teams are much happier to let the ball do the work. This style may work against lesser teams and in qualifying in autumn and early spring, but after the players have been playing like this all year (box to box players like Gerrard and Lampard in particular) then come the WC they won't be as fresh as other teams, especially with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard not being in their mid-20s anymore.

It looked like some of the more dynamic players - Rooney and Gerrard - were really burnt out this year.

i think the Greece example isn't quite normal. We all know that was the flukiest run of form and luck in tournament football. They're a rubbish football team and everyone knows it.

finchy

Rick Chasey wrote:

johnfinch wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Seriously. How are people forgetting that this very same team couldn't qualify for Euro 2008?

2nd Round in the World Cup isn't bad considering...

Greece didn't qualify for the WC in 2002. Didn't stop them winning Euro 2004.

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the English style of play - always rush, rush, rush, whereas continental teams are much happier to let the ball do the work. This style may work against lesser teams and in qualifying in autumn and early spring, but after the players have been playing like this all year (box to box players like Gerrard and Lampard in particular) then come the WC they won't be as fresh as other teams, especially with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard not being in their mid-20s anymore.

It looked like some of the more dynamic players - Rooney and Gerrard - were really burnt out this year.

i think the Greece example isn't quite normal. We all know that was the flukiest run of form and luck in tournament football. They're a rubbish football team and everyone knows it.

OK, England didn't qualify for Euro 84 but went on to the QF in 86 being knocked out by a moment of genius and a moment of pure cheating.

You could also say that England got to the QFs in the WC 2006 so not qualifying for Euro 2008 was something of a blip in form, especially considering the excellent qualifying campaign for this year.

guilliano

You could also say that they played appallingly and half of them should never pull on an England shirt again!

rapid_uphill

They should never be allowed back in the country after that carry on.

verylonglegs

There is so much that could be said about England right now it's difficult to know where to begin.

Obviously the majority of the blame lies at the feet of the players, I never expected them to win the tournament but the way they exited was far below anything I'd imagined possible. The way the first goal was conceded genuinely left me speechless, a long ball down the middle from the keeper! Most commentators described it as schoolboy stuff but I found that rather insulting to schoolboys. I could single out Upson for that one but there were so many mistakes all round during the game it would be unfair, I don't feel any of them come out with credit.

There has been some comment on this thread regarding Capello's managerial record suggesting it makes him beyond reproach...I don't think that's quite the way it should be as it's worth remembering he has only ever managed in club football previously and international management is a slightly different beast. Take Gerrard for example, he's predominantly right-footed and spends all season at his club in the centre of a 5 man midfield so on sunday he finds himself on the left of a 4-4-2 formation...a mistake in my eyes.

Going forward we need to get an FA that's not run by businessmen. I still remember Barwick's words after our failure to qualify for the last Euro's....root and branch investigation and change, was this implemented? Not as far as I'm aware, Capello was appointed on big money and all was forgotten. There are precious few new English players coming through at the big clubs so it will get worse and can only improve if there are signifcant changes with regard to this. A consequence of our small talent pool was having to play half-fit players..Rooney being a prime example, he clearly wasn't on the money but the truth is we have no alternatives.

rapid_uphill

Should i make a new poll "Is david beckham good enough for england?"
according the the sun he could be next england manager.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/worldcup2010/3033609/Is-David-Beckham-the-man-to-replace-Fabio-Capello.html

Stewie Griffin

As long as its not 'arry, I dont give a monkeys

sampras38

rapid_uphill wrote:

If the players are crap its fabio's fault, he picked them.

Yeah, because in previous years England have been great haven't they?

Yeah, right.

Pretty much since 1966 they've been average at best, no matter whose in charge. Yes a manager will pick the team and control strategy (up to a point), but at the end of the day we are just not good enough. I accfepted that a long time ago.

Aggieboy

rapid_uphill wrote:

They should never be allowed back in the country after that carry on.

They made history today, actually. They're the only white people to arrive in England and be told to f*ck off back to Africa

richk

rapid_uphill wrote:

Should i make a new poll "Is david beckham good enough for england?"
according the the sun he could be next england manager.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/worldcup2010/3033609/Is-David-Beckham-the-man-to-replace-Fabio-Capello.html

At least he's English

ride_whenever

simply not enough talent coming through, indicated by the volume of foreign players in the premiership. More grass roots stuff would improve our game immeasurably.

Equally I'm not sure I agree with the form side of things, I struggle to believe that they're all knackered, they simply don't do enough to really warrant being tired. They're simply not hard enough mentally and in training if they struggle to train and play a match a week.

rick_chasey

Does anyone care to venture a player who played in the premier league last season as a stand out player of the tournament?

I can't think of any.

bigmat

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does anyone care to venture a player who played in the premier league last season as a stand out player of the tournament?

I can't think of any.

Tevez.

Stewie Griffin

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does anyone care to venture a player who played in the premier league last season as a stand out player of the tournament?

I can't think of any.

Who is the stand out player of the tournament overall? No one really springs to mind. Thank goodness that this once every 4 years tournament is nearly over and we can get back to the Premiership in a few weeks.

rick_chasey

MatHammond wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does anyone care to venture a player who played in the premier league last season as a stand out player of the tournament?

I can't think of any.

Tevez.

Touché

rick_chasey

Stewie Griffin wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Does anyone care to venture a player who played in the premier league last season as a stand out player of the tournament?

I can't think of any.

Who is the stand out player of the tournament overall? No one really springs to mind. Thank goodness that this once every 4 years tournament is nearly over and we can get back to the Premiership in a few weeks.

Vila.

rapid_uphill

LUIS FABIANO

Stewie Griffin wrote:

Who is the stand out player of the tournament overall? No one really springs to mind. Thank goodness that this once every 4 years tournament is nearly over and we can get back to the Premiership in a few weeks.

joshtp

joshtp

what i meant is "no"