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Ultimate energy drink for enduros

hayzehayze Posts: 3
edited June 2010 in MTB general
I have spent the last few months trying to piece together all the advice and science on what should be in your energy drink (non-competing carbs, protein ratios etc) and have come up with this, for use in summer RACES. I also tried to do it as cheap as possible.

Per Litre: 80g of MYPROTEIN Tri Carb (Palatinose, Malttodextrin, Fructose & electrolytes)
20g BODY FORTRESS (Hol & Barrett) whey protein mixed with a little liquid into a paste and gradually diluted (avoid clumps and lumps)
1 teaspoon of MYPROTEIN elctrolytes
600ml Water
1L Diet Indian Tonic water reduced to 400ml by boiling (approx 150ml quinine per 3L's)

All with NO added flavours. Tastes fine to me with no notable ill effects.

Anyone have any further improvements other than water and marmite sandwiches etc for use in 60 km up to 24hr races.

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  • The Northern MonkeyThe Northern Monkey Posts: 19,174
    isotonic lucozade sport... don't need anything else apart from carbs, sodium and water + electrolytes.

    you don't need protein during a race...
    Santa Cruz Butcher
  • supersonicsupersonic Posts: 82,708 Lives Here
    improvements

    What makes you think this is the elixir? You have banged out a recipe that may well work for some.

    Let's see some stats.
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  • RaymondavalonRaymondavalon Posts: 5,346
    Plus... being his maiden Post.. he could be out to poison us.. :P :twisted:
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  • tdougantdougan Posts: 152
    Raymondavalon wrote:
    Plus... being his maiden Post.. he could be out to poison us.. :P :twisted:
    ahahah
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  • carbonfiendcarbonfiend Posts: 475
    I use my protein frutose, maltodextrin and electrolytes mix it all together its exactly same as torq but cheaper
    You could even do away with electrolytes as theres no proven evidence they alleviate cramps etc which is the story thats sold with them.

    I usually find with enduros I need some solid food and protein as too much carbs from energy products usually makes me sick but i do also find that I reach a point where anything will do and I dont care as I'm way too bolloxed
    '..all the bad cats in the bad hats..'
  • hayzehayze Posts: 3
    edited June 2010
    Thankyou carbon'friend' sense at last. Obviously being a 'professional' rider like myself, we are open minded to the latest nutritional information. Joking aside, i have looked at research i.e. from torq and accelerade for benefits of 4:1 carb / protein mix and fluid / sugar ratios. Quinine is used to relieve cramping and while higher doses can have side effects i have found that it reduces cramp when i ride intensively (twice daily) and for long rides of 4 + hours long and gives me more confidence to stamp on the pedals and accelerate towards the end of a training sesh or race.

    I have studied sports science and have tested many combinations and ratios of products and compared their effects to just water in my training diary. I also understand that the nutitional brands are trying to sell us their products as well as the psychosomatic effect that just buying products can have.

    Obviously I use gels and real food when riding as well but was just interested in what people put in bottles or camelbaks.

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  • bike-a-swanbike-a-swan Posts: 1,235
    I'm not sure I'd want to aid cramp, it does pretty well at crippling me on its own thankee....
    Rock Lobster 853, Trek 1200 and a very old, tired and loved Apollo Javelin.
  • NorthwindNorthwind Posts: 14,675
    Quinine will also f*** up the midges
    Uncompromising extremist
  • spongtasticspongtastic Posts: 2,651
    Tesco sports stuff in orange, 98p for four. One before and 2 in the camelbak seem to get me through a 50 miler.
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  • fredyfredy Posts: 308
    G&T before a race then?
  • The Northern MonkeyThe Northern Monkey Posts: 19,174
    hayze
    I've done a whole degree on sports nutrition/sports science, and there is little/no difference between some Orange squash, water + a pinch of salt (mixed at the correct concentration) when compared to all these fancy concoctions that sell for £££'s.

    Its all marketing rubbish... if they said that licking a dog censored before a race wouldl give you an edge, I wonder how many would follow suit. Many is my guess.
    Santa Cruz Butcher
  • bike-a-swanbike-a-swan Posts: 1,235
    How about the energy stuff, or the mixes of the two? I've definitely found that if I use it on a long ride I need to eat less on the ride or when I get back- any cheap home made versions?
    Rock Lobster 853, Trek 1200 and a very old, tired and loved Apollo Javelin.
  • richg1979richg1979 Posts: 1,087
    bigbenj_08 wrote:
    hayze


    Its all marketing rubbish... if they said that licking a dog censored before a race wouldl give you an edge, I wonder how many would follow suit. Many is my guess.

    i always lick a dog censored before a ride, what are you trying to say? :D
  • FunBusFunBus Posts: 394
    High 5 4:1 EnergySource.

    Contains everything for before, during and after an event.....cant really ask for more!
  • jumbosausagejumbosausage Posts: 77
    http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/articl ... rink-25744
  • captainflycaptainfly Posts: 1,001
    Two cans of coke and a nuun kona cola tablet in a water bottle combined with being sensitive to caffine is quite good for borring time from sleep :shock:
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  • TheKrikkitWarsTheKrikkitWars Posts: 178
    Clearly the secret elixir is Irn-Bru; anything else is just masquerading :P

    In all seriousness, Vimto squash + sugar + pinch of salt does me fine, If I want protein or more substantial carbs with me, I tend to take it in the form of food split into small bite sized amounts that don't neccessitate stopping to eat.
  • njee20njee20 Posts: 9,613
    His name is Paul Hayes... isn't that Supersonic's name!?

    I use High 5, they've done enough research that it works well, it tastes nice, gives me energy and is sensibly priced.
  • MacAndCheeseMacAndCheese Posts: 1,944
    One of the guys from my local rides swears by a bottle of coke with 2 heaped teaspoons of sugar dissolved in it! Can't say i've tried it, but he's pretty quick. Just don't tell your dentist.
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    Orange Alpine 160
  • agg25agg25 Posts: 619
    As if Coke needs any more sugar! :shock:
  • carbonfiendcarbonfiend Posts: 475
    Benji if you have done what u say you will know thats not quite true yeah they are effectively the same as we are just talking sugar here but they work in different ways and are absorbed and released at different rates. I for one wouldnt like to race an enduro and start drinking coke/squash straight away getting a huge blood/insulin sugar spike and crash leaving me feeling like censored plus excerting way too much energy, if you are racing an enduro u wanna be conserving your carb stores not burning them on the first lap
    '..all the bad cats in the bad hats..'
  • submityournentriessubmityournentries Posts: 912
    umm, water, maybe some crisps, and a mars bar get all 10 stone of me along fine on a 50 miler :D and then when i return home, a relentless if i am tired.
    Ragley Blue Pig
  • supersonicsupersonic Posts: 82,708 Lives Here
    njee20 wrote:
    His name is Paul Hayes... isn't that Supersonic's name!?

    I use High 5, they've done enough research that it works well, it tastes nice, gives me energy and is sensibly priced.

    Indeed it is lol, but we are unrelated.
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