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Miller to assist Novitzky’s investigation
The United States of America’s Justice Department has appointed federal prosecutor Doug Miller to a probe into Floyd Landis’ accusations, according to the New York Daily News. Miller’s role will be to prosecute any case which may develop from the investigation.
Landis confessed to doping during his own professional career in an e-mail to USA Cycling leaked to selected media outlets - including Cyclingnews.com - last month. The e-mail implicated several major cycling figures in the practice or knowledge of doping, including Lance Armstrong, George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer and Jim Ochowicz.
Miller, an assistant U.S. Attorney, can apply for search warrants and cooperation agreements which Novitzky might need to collect evidence for any case which could materialise from the allegations. He has experience with sports doping cases having played a role in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) case – recognised at the time as one of the largest sports doping rings ever uncovered.
While unrelated to Miller’s work on the case, it also involved a cyclist in track rider Tammy Thomas. She was convicted of making false statements to a federal grand jury and sentenced to six months house arrest and five years probation in October, 2008.
The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is currently investigating Landis’ claims against the USA residence implicated by the rider. The International Cycling Union (UCI) has called for the French, Belgian and Australian national federations to investigate others implicated in the e-mail, while it has attempted to clear its own name of any wrongdoing over money accepted from Armstrong prior to his first retirement from cycling.
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Miller to assist Novitzky’s investigation
The United States of America’s Justice Department has appointed federal prosecutor Doug Miller to a probe into Floyd Landis’ accusations, according to the New York Daily News. Miller’s role will be to prosecute any case which may develop from the investigation.
Landis confessed to doping during his own professional career in an e-mail to USA Cycling leaked to selected media outlets - including Cyclingnews.com - last month. The e-mail implicated several major cycling figures in the practice or knowledge of doping, including Lance Armstrong, George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer and Jim Ochowicz.
Miller, an assistant U.S. Attorney, can apply for search warrants and cooperation agreements which Novitzky might need to collect evidence for any case which could materialise from the allegations. He has experience with sports doping cases having played a role in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) case – recognised at the time as one of the largest sports doping rings ever uncovered.
While unrelated to Miller’s work on the case, it also involved a cyclist in track rider Tammy Thomas. She was convicted of making false statements to a federal grand jury and sentenced to six months house arrest and five years probation in October, 2008.
The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is currently investigating Landis’ claims against the USA residence implicated by the rider. The International Cycling Union (UCI) has called for the French, Belgian and Australian national federations to investigate others implicated in the e-mail, while it has attempted to clear its own name of any wrongdoing over money accepted from Armstrong prior to his first retirement from cycling.
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It's all on a different scale. An "investigation" from a sports body is pretty toothless but being probed by a federal agent means you go under oath and face jail time for any lies. The same agent will be questioning a lot of people in the case, it only takes one or two people to crack or simply spill the beans and the big names will fall of their perch.
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I suppose it must be worrying for the high profile name at the top of this pyramid.
If Mr Miller has any political ambition, which is likely, he could see this appointment as an opportunity to make a name for himself."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Kléber wrote:It's all on a different scale. An "investigation" from a sports body is pretty toothless but being probed by a federal agent means you go under oath and face jail time for any lies. The same agent will be questioning a lot of people in the case, it only takes one or two people to crack or simply spill the beans and the big names will fall of their perch.
that picture ...it isn't the cleverest analogy Kleber ...plenty innocents paid for that and will for this federal stuff. They clearly have the whiff of something...someone beyond scum like Landis0 -
I can't imagine they'd have appointed a federal prosecutor unless they felt there was a case to be made - and answered0
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micron wrote:I can't imagine they'd have appointed a federal prosecutor unless they felt there was a case to be made - and answered
to be fair this is the prob starting, no more than that...but agree, they must have got the whiff of something, looks perhaps a formality now0 -
Dave_1 wrote:Kléber wrote:It's all on a different scale. An "investigation" from a sports body is pretty toothless but being probed by a federal agent means you go under oath and face jail time for any lies. The same agent will be questioning a lot of people in the case, it only takes one or two people to crack or simply spill the beans and the big names will fall of their perch.
that picture ...it isn't the cleverest anology Kleber ...plenty innocents paid for that and will for this federal stuff. They clearly have the whiff of something...someone beyond scum like Landis
Disagree, thought it was a good analogy Kléber. Arguably inappropriate perhaps but the analogy worked. I think Dave_1 just wanted the opportunity to mention, yet again, that innocent people will suffer if you uncover doping cases. Which in my view strengthens the analogy. Collateral damage I think it's called.
Not that I'm in any way suggesting that the collateral damage in Iraq was justified, quite the opposite in fact but let's not get in to that.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
Hmmm.........Sadam Hussein was responsible for mass murder on a grand scale.........Lance Armstrong (probably) cheated in some bike races. :roll:dulldave wrote:Disagree, thought it was a good analogy Kléber.0 -
It was only a symbol of someone falling off their perch, don't take it literally kids0
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Fair enough, but plenty on here tend to get rather hysterical about his Holiness The Armstrong and his "crimes".Kléber wrote:It was only a symbol of someone falling off their perch, don't take it literally kids
Remember folks, nobody died................yet!
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Interesting times ahead. The timing of this as well. I wonder if the investigation will clash with the TdF. It could scupper a few people's chances of riding it.0
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Fair enough, but plenty on here tend to get rather hysterical about his Holiness The Armstrong and his "crimes".Kléber wrote:It was only a symbol of someone falling off their perch, don't take it literally kids
Remember folks, nobody died................yet!
Please dear God, don't let Bernie see this..... I really don't need to see that list of doping casualties again....
I think it's also worth mentioning that Saddam had an absolutely enormous moustache, and LA doesn't. Clearly the symbolism is seriously flawed. Unless Kléber is suggesting some sort of connection between Saddam's handlebar and LA's handlebars.....Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
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No tA Doctor wrote:Bronzie wrote:
Fair enough, but plenty on here tend to get rather hysterical about his Holiness The Armstrong and his "crimes".Kléber wrote:It was only a symbol of someone falling off their perch, don't take it literally kids
Remember folks, nobody died................yet!
Please dear God, don't let Bernie see this..... I really don't need to see that list of doping casualties again....
I think it's also worth mentioning that Saddam had an absolutely enormous moustache, and LA doesn't. Clearly the symbolism is seriously flawed. Unless Kléber is suggesting some sort of connection between Saddam's handlebar and LA's handlebars.....
both will leave a power vaccum for other baddies
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Does anyone actually know about American legal process? While appointing a prosecutor certainly seems like a step up in gear do we know that this is actually the case? What is the role of the prosecutor in the US? In the UK the police would investigate, then refer the case to the crown prosecution service, who determine whether there is a case to answer in a court, i.e. whether to go ahead or not. While the police obviously know when they think they've got a decent case the CPS can still tell them it's not strong enough.
On the subject of perch falling / something stinks, may a present you with an internet meme from way back when:
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westerburk wrote:
both will leave a power vaccum for other baddies
UCI will claim life is better
OK, someone's got to do it, so it might as well be me...
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If only I'd gone for that tall poppy photo or the parrot slipping on its perch.0
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Kléber wrote:If only I'd gone for that tall poppy photo or the parrot slipping on its perch.
Well the tall poppy is clearly symbolic of opiates and the drug trade so that might have fit, but parrots = pirates and I don't think Pantani has much to do with this specific case...Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Dave_1 wrote:Great :?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/federal ... ndis-probe
Miller to assist Novitzky’s investigation
The United States of America’s Justice Department has appointed federal prosecutor Doug Miller to a probe into Floyd Landis’ accusations, according to the New York Daily News. Miller’s role will be to prosecute any case which may develop from the investigation.
Landis confessed to doping during his own professional career in an e-mail to USA Cycling leaked to selected media outlets - including Cyclingnews.com - last month. The e-mail implicated several major cycling figures in the practice or knowledge of doping, including Lance Armstrong, George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer and Jim Ochowicz.
Miller, an assistant U.S. Attorney, can apply for search warrants and cooperation agreements which Novitzky might need to collect evidence for any case which could materialise from the allegations. He has experience with sports doping cases having played a role in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) case – recognised at the time as one of the largest sports doping rings ever uncovered.
While unrelated to Miller’s work on the case, it also involved a cyclist in track rider Tammy Thomas. She was convicted of making false statements to a federal grand jury and sentenced to six months house arrest and five years probation in October, 2008.
The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) is currently investigating Landis’ claims against the USA residence implicated by the rider. The International Cycling Union (UCI) has called for the French, Belgian and Australian national federations to investigate others implicated in the e-mail, while it has attempted to clear its own name of any wrongdoing over money accepted from Armstrong prior to his first retirement from cycling.
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Excuse my ignorance but who is the Aussie allegedly involved in all of this? And the Frenchman? (I know there were a couple at USPS).0 -
Aussie would be Matt White, I would think."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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The French have been asked to investigate John Lelangue even though he's Belgian0
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Bronzie wrote:
Hmmm.........Sadam Hussein was responsible for mass murder on a grand scale.........Lance Armstrong (probably) cheated in some bike races. :roll:dulldave wrote:Disagree, thought it was a good analogy Kléber.
I take it you didn't read the "arguably inappropriate" bit in your rush to be pious?Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
I wasn't having a pop at you specifically. I was simply pointing out that comparing Armstrong even in passing to Saddam Hussein (or indeed Al Capone as has been done elsewhere) is a bit OTT even by the standards of this forum.dulldave wrote:I take it you didn't read the "arguably inappropriate" bit in your rush to be pious?0 -
It was just the concept of a big figure falling off a pedestal. :roll:0
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I can't see why people get worked up about using well known situations as metaphors. Nobody is saying that Armstrong is a tirant like Sadam. That would be ludicrous.
If you use a metaphor to make a point you're usually drawing from a story that is widely known. As a result the particular metaphor you choose is likely to be a lot more severe than the subject being discussed.
If I said "beware of Greeks bearing gifts" to my aunt because Pat* (her arch rival at the local lawn bowls club) had gifted her a cutting from her rose bush. She wouldn't harangue me for comparing an old lady to the raping and pillaging of an entire town. It's just said to make the point that you should be careful when receiving gifts from rivals because they may have an ulterior motive.
Sorry for dragging this thread off topic. Just needed to get that off my chest.
*Pat doesn't exist, I made her up.Scottish and British...and a bit French0 -
dulldave wrote:I can't see why people get worked up about using well known situations as metaphors. Nobody is saying that Armstrong is a tirant like Sadam. That would be ludicrous.
If you use a metaphor to make a point you're usually drawing from a story that is widely known. As a result the particular metaphor you choose is likely to be a lot more severe than the subject being discussed.
If I said "beware of Greeks bearing gifts" to my aunt because Pat* (her arch rival at the local lawn bowls club) had gifted her a cutting from her rose bush. She wouldn't harangue me for comparing an old lady to the raping and pillaging of an entire town. It's just said to make the point that you should be careful when receiving gifts from rivals because they may have an ulterior motive.
Sorry for dragging this thread off topic. Just needed to get that off my chest.
*Pat doesn't exist, I made her up.
Pat does exist, and she's on steroids. Your aunt is being cheated.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
I thought you meant your Uncle Pat0
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Fine - you can do the "Whooooosh" parrot thing to me nowKléber wrote:It was just the concept of a big figure falling off a pedestal. :roll:0
