Vuelta teams leaked

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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Full comments fro Bruyneel. The sooner he is gone the better.

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/4542/ ... ction.aspx

    It also occured to me that one of the reasons the Giro was so good was because him and Lance were not there.

    Nothing to do with the route of course.........
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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Full comments fro Bruyneel. The sooner he is gone the better.
    .

    Given your hilarious and infantile comment about Janez Brak being a deserter i have to ask is JB a deserter as well ?
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  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    I'm surprised no one has commented upon the implications of this decision, for the remainder of the season.

    RS are a stage race team. Other than the Vuelta, there remains only Poland and ENECO, during August and NOTHING during September.

    Apart from a couple of HC one dayers in Belgium and France, plus Paris-Tours, the majority of top day races take place in................
    ...........ITALY.
    I can't see a flood of September invites coming through JB's postbox.

    Effectively, RS's season mirrors Armstrong's since it all but ends, after the Tour.

    Why would riders such Brajkovic's, Marchado etc, wish to remain with a team that has them involuntarily sidelined, from June on?

    Given that this decsion has just been made its a bit much to expect them to to say they are off to pastures new already.
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  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Is it possible to be snubbed after lettering to say you are not going then ?
    In logic, yes. But given Zomegnan said "never again" after the Milan strike, the media blackout and the grandissimo appearance fee, Bruyneel's letter was not worth the stamp.
  • Matchstick Man
    Matchstick Man Posts: 565
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    As an aside Team Sky might have worked out how to do a sprint lead out by then

    Sky's first race was a bunch sprint win - Cancer Council Helpline Classic
    Sky have taken a bunch sprint win in the Criterium Int'l with Russ Downing
    EBH took stage 3 of the Tour of Oman against Tom Boonen in a bunch sprint
    Add in all their other wins and I doubt they're worrying too much about their leadout train
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    Add in all their other wins and I doubt they're worrying too much about their leadout train

    Did you watch the Giro?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Kléber wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    Is it possible to be snubbed after lettering to say you are not going then ?
    In logic, yes. But given Zomegnan said "never again" after the Milan strike, the media blackout and the grandissimo appearance fee, Bruyneel's letter was not worth the stamp.

    But it was sent prior to being supposedly snubbed irrespective of how you want to dress it up. So the point stands RS informed AZ they wouldnt be taking part before he suppsedly snubbed them. All this talk about never again etc is just that talk.
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  • stfc1
    stfc1 Posts: 505
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    As an aside Team Sky might have worked out how to do a sprint lead out by then

    Sky's first race was a bunch sprint win - Cancer Council Helpline Classic
    Sky have taken a bunch sprint win in the Criterium Int'l with Russ Downing
    EBH took stage 3 of the Tour of Oman against Tom Boonen in a bunch sprint
    Add in all their other wins and I doubt they're worrying too much about their leadout train

    They should be, and I'm sure they are because they have the potential to be strong.
  • yourpaceormine
    yourpaceormine Posts: 1,245
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    yourpaceormine wrote:
    As an aside Team Sky might have worked out how to do a sprint lead out by then

    Sky's first race was a bunch sprint win - Cancer Council Helpline Classic
    Sky have taken a bunch sprint win in the Criterium Int'l with Russ Downing
    EBH took stage 3 of the Tour of Oman against Tom Boonen in a bunch sprint
    Add in all their other wins and I doubt they're worrying too much about their leadout train


    As already mentioned during the Giro they looked like they were spot on with their train, same at the Dauphine. Sadly the finish line was 200m further up the road than the point they were climaxing at. Agree they have a lot of potential, just needs fine tuning. If HTC Columbia had been in the position that Sky were in they would have won regardless of who they were delivering.
  • Matchstick Man
    Matchstick Man Posts: 565
    iainf72 wrote:
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    Add in all their other wins and I doubt they're worrying too much about their leadout train

    Did you watch the Giro?

    yes I did, Sky did ok didn't they? Bradley-Wiggins-006.jpg
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    sponsors of teams need guarantees...the sponsors who invest the big bucks must be given priority. there is no way shack can be excluded on performance grounds-won the Dauphine and packed with GC riders...but Armstrong's role-with others in the riders strike and the fear of Landis shect hitting the fan in September will be in the organisers minds. Still, LA is looking good for TDF IMO...you'll have plenty to whinge about this july as he'll ride very well..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • greeny12
    greeny12 Posts: 759
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Still, LA is looking good for TDF IMO...you'll have plenty to whinge about this july as he'll ride very well..

    I'm in the (seeming) minority who agrees with you Dave...I said on that thread about LA's chances of a few weeks ago that I fancied him for top five or even podium, and nothing I've seen since has persuaded me otherwise...
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  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    greeny12 wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Still, LA is looking good for TDF IMO...you'll have plenty to whinge about this july as he'll ride very well..

    I'm in the (seeming) minority who agrees with you Dave...I said on that thread about LA's chances of a few weeks ago that I fancied him for top five or even podium, and nothing I've seen since has persuaded me otherwise...

    yeah, the Luxembourg result was good and the prologue TT he did in that race was fast....I noticed he looked very good on the climb yesterday near the finish, whatever else he maybe, he's also a very very good athlete. I reckon he'll win or top 3 in Tour De Suisse
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • thamacdaddy
    thamacdaddy Posts: 590
    I know it's cool to hate Sky round here but in all honesty until the dauphine RS had been quite quiet bar california. Sky on the other hand while not being as successful as perhaps their pomp and PR would suggest or hope for they have been far more visible (especially in crashes ;)). Not that suprised they get the nod over RS but I am suprised that there is no place for Vacansoleil in any of the larger races, again more visible and likely to add something than actual results.

    Some actual season stats sometimes help I guess in being subjective on success:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Team_ ... ack_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Team_Sky_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Quick_Step_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Team_Saxo_Bank_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Garmi ... ons_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Cerv% ... eam_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Team_ ... bia_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Astana_season
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Liquigas-Doimo_season

    Just saying bar perhaps Liquigas, Astana and Saxo bank, perhaps HTC, who can really say they have had a stormer of a season so far.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    thamacdaddy wrote:
    I know it's cool to hate Sky round here but in all honesty until the dauphine RS had been quite quite bar california. .

    Apart from RS winning the Basque Tour and taking a podium place in Crit Int i spose you could say they have been quite ..........
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    Add in all their other wins and I doubt they're worrying too much about their leadout train

    Did you watch the Giro?

    yes I did, Sky did ok didn't they? Bradley-Wiggins-006.jpg

    Of course. some good results. But they attempt to have a lead out train and in the Giro it just seemed to go wrong most of the time. They also seem to ride for no apparent reason in wierd parts of the race.

    They've got a few handy guys in a sprint and if they sorted themselves out better they could get a result. But a lot of time during the season we've seen them giving it full gas on the front but when it gets to the really sharp end of the race they're completely washed away.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • luckao
    luckao Posts: 632
    Can't wait to watch Footon rolling along, looking ugly, doing nothing...

    Good decision.
  • thamacdaddy
    thamacdaddy Posts: 590
    Moray Gub wrote:
    thamacdaddy wrote:
    I know it's cool to hate Sky round here but in all honesty until the dauphine RS had been quite quite bar california. .

    Apart from RS winning the Basque Tour and taking a podium place in Crit Int i spose you could say they have been quite ..........

    I did correct that spelling mistake prior to your post showing up but thanks :)
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    thamacdaddy wrote:
    Moray Gub wrote:
    thamacdaddy wrote:
    I know it's cool to hate Sky round here but in all honesty until the dauphine RS had been quite quite bar california. .

    Apart from RS winning the Basque Tour and taking a podium place in Crit Int i spose you could say they have been quite ..........

    I did correct that spelling mistake prior to your post showing up but thanks :)

    The spelling mistake was an irrelevance it was more to do with the content which i disagreed with.
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  • stefrees
    stefrees Posts: 137
    iainf72 wrote:
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Matchstick Man wrote:
    Add in all their other wins and I doubt they're worrying too much about their leadout train

    Did you watch the Giro?

    yes I did, Sky did ok didn't they? Bradley-Wiggins-006.jpg

    Of course. some good results. But they attempt to have a lead out train and in the Giro it just seemed to go wrong most of the time. They also seem to ride for no apparent reason in wierd parts of the race.

    They've got a few handy guys in a sprint and if they sorted themselves out better they could get a result. But a lot of time during the season we've seen them giving it full gas on the front but when it gets to the really sharp end of the race they're completely washed away.

    at least they race though and show up during the race unlike others, however bizarre their time to actually race.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    This is worth a read

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/sport ... ref=global

    Thoughts?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • micron
    micron Posts: 1,843
    Horner won't be there for the win, Brajkowic? It always looks more convincing if you remember to breathe. Kloeden is not a GT winner and Leipheimer couldn't even win ToC. Besides I believe there's a masters event in Australia at the same time as the Vuelta :lol:

    If it's zero tolerance and a pre-emptive strike against a team beset by doping scandals in their past & present incarnation, is that a bad thing? Surely better for the Landis accusations to be played out away from the spotlight of a big cycling event? Aren't we all sick and tired of races being overshadowed by that kind of stuff?
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    micron wrote:
    Horner won't be there for the win, Brajkowic? It always looks more convincing if you remember to breathe. Kloeden is not a GT winner and Leipheimer couldn't even win ToC. Besides I believe there's a masters event in Australia at the same time as the Vuelta :lol:

    If it's zero tolerance and a pre-emptive strike against a team beset by doping scandals in their past & present incarnation, is that a bad thing? Surely better for the Landis accusations to be played out away from the spotlight of a big cycling event? Aren't we all sick and tired of races being overshadowed by that kind of stuff?

    So given your stance here then i presume you are all for Astana,Sky,Caisse,Lampre,BMC etc not being allowed to ride in the Tour then given that all have riders or the team currently under investigation of some sort /cloud call it what you will ?...........or is it as i suspect its becuase its RS and LA that is making your mind up for you based on a selective criteria only applying to them ?
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  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    iainf72 wrote:
    This is worth a read

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/sport ... ref=global

    Thoughts?

    all I can think of is "Sh|t Storm Brewing arround RS and LA"
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  • Arkibal
    Arkibal Posts: 850
    Doobz wrote:
    all I can think of is "Sh|t Storm Brewing around RS and LA"

    +1
    my thoughts as well.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Javier Guillén's thoughts as well:
    "It was when we were analyzing the wider sporting implications of the selections that we settled on the six teams that were given invites. Whether some of the teams are better than others is a discussion that I'm not willing to get into."
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    micron wrote:
    If it's zero tolerance and a pre-emptive strike against a team beset by doping scandals in their past & present incarnation, is that a bad thing? Surely better for the Landis accusations to be played out away from the spotlight of a big cycling event? Aren't we all sick and tired of races being overshadowed by that kind of stuff?

    How ironic, the spanish making a stand against doping!
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    ShinyHelmut wrote:

    How ironic, the spanish making a stand against doping!

    More likely "The French"
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    iainf72 wrote:
    This is worth a read

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/sport ... ref=global

    Thoughts?

    "Fear by the Vuelta organizers that a doping scandal would erupt between the end of the Tour de France on July 25 and the start of the Vuelta on Aug. 28 and would tarnish their race. "

    What was the quote? Satire died the day they awarded Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize?
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Feillu cannot ride the Tour and no can't ride the Vuelta. They must be pretty damn annoyed that FS are there instead.
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