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Why don't Campag make MTB stuff?

Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 52,903
edited June 2010 in MTB general
Anyone know?

I'm just curious as to why a company that competes pretty well with Shimano and SRAM in the roadie market does not make the equivalent MTB kit. Did it try and fail in the past, or did it not want to 'lower' itself to make non-roadie parts?
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  • nicklousenicklouse Posts: 50,675 Lives Here
    it did and was not well received.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • nicklousenicklouse Posts: 50,675 Lives Here
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,667
    I don't think it's a big loss to us MTBers. My boss is a very keen roadie, an he's convinced that Campag is mostly fashion. If money was no object, he'd opt for Dura Ace he reckons.

    However, more companies competing is always good for consumers.
  • biff55biff55 Posts: 1,404
    hey nick , read both them articles you posted and nothning negative was mentioned about compags foray into MTB parts.
    what went wrong for them ?
  • nicklousenicklouse Posts: 50,675 Lives Here
    read the bit about "how it was wrong for them" they just got it wrong.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 52,903
    However, more companies competing is always good for consumers.
    I was also thinking it would help keep the big players on their toes if Campag joined in. Sounds like they're not interested any more though...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • biff55biff55 Posts: 1,404
    ah gotch ya , they simple didn't have the cash to design / compete against shimano's considerable lead in MTB parts basically.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,667
    nicklouse wrote:
    read the bit about "how it was wrong for them" they just got it wrong.
    Can't find that, Nick.
  • Deputy DawgDeputy Dawg Posts: 428
    nicklouse wrote:
    read the bit about "how it was wrong for them" they just got it wrong.
    Can't find that, Nick.
    2nd to last paragraph ;)
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  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,667
    Doesn't seem to fit with Nick's description, it just says they didn't have the fire-power to take on Shimano at it's strongest market.
  • bertberrbertberr Posts: 151
    Well, I had a pair of their Mirox MTB rims built up in the mid 90's for my Cinder Cone... still have them on the bike today, though it has been on road duty for a few years now.

    Not exactly the lightest hoops on the planet, but tough as old boots (hoops?! sorry).
  • ExeterSimonExeterSimon Posts: 830
    Aren't Campagnolo the parent company of Fulcrum and as such the hubs on their wheels are Campag?
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    Trek 1.5 (2009)
    Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp (2007)
  • biff55 wrote:
    ah gotch ya , they simple didn't have the cash to design / compete against shimano's considerable lead in MTB parts basically.
    Shimano's lead eh?
    What about SRAM?

    Sram v Shimano debate anyone? :lol:
  • alexj2233alexj2233 Posts: 381
    bigbenj_08 wrote:
    biff55 wrote:
    ah gotch ya , they simple didn't have the cash to design / compete against shimano's considerable lead in MTB parts basically.
    Shimano's lead eh?
    What about SRAM?

    Sram v Shimano debate anyone? :lol:
    :lol::lol:

    Sram are clearly streets ahead :wink:
  • biff55biff55 Posts: 1,404
    this arguement was clearly settled months ago on our forum with a google fight between shinamo vs sram ( whole company's )
    the results were as following ;
    shimano = win
    sram = fail

    please keep up with the program boys and girls :D
  • adydowadydow Posts: 92
    Fulcrum are Campag! And I'm very happy with my Red Metal 3 Wheels.
    Of course its about the bike! Although having the legs helps.
  • AnonymousAnonymous Posts: 79,667
    Back then SRAM and Sachs were just emerging into the MTB market, really.

    I'm still no fan of SRAM, too many stupid engineering decisions. When Shimano get it right, they REALLY get it right.
  • ExeterSimonExeterSimon Posts: 830
    adydow wrote:
    Fulcrum are Campag! And I'm very happy with my Red Metal 3 Wheels.

    Ditto.

    Great wheels.
    Whyte 905 (2009)
    Trek 1.5 (2009)
    Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp (2007)
  • Stevo_666Stevo_666 Posts: 52,903
    adydow wrote:
    Fulcrum are Campag! And I'm very happy with my Red Metal 3 Wheels.
    I was thinking about tranmission bits when I wrote the question but TBH had forgotten that Fulcrum were Campag!
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • darren555darren555 Posts: 194
    I remember back in the day when Suntour was the mtb groupset of choice. Bring back thumbshifters!
  • stubsstubs Posts: 5,001
    Darren555 wrote:
    I remember back in the day when Suntour was the mtb groupset of choice. Bring back thumbshifters!

    Yep back in the 80s Suntour top end kit was the kit to have. It pretty much beat the pants off Shimano on price, shifting performance and weight. 2 things let it down the jockey wheel bearings wore out so quick you would have thought they were made out of Hula Hoops. Also spares werent easy to get hold of unlike Shimano where every Shimano dealer seemed to carry every spare under the sun or could get it delivered within the week which was unheard of in those days no Chain Reaction then.

    The Suntour front mechs were brilliant it was years before Shimano got the front shifting to beat Suntour even though Suntour gave up the battle in about 1990.
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  • switchback18switchback18 Posts: 617
    Suntour always looked cheaper than Shimano, which affects many people's decisions!. People are drawn to shiny stuff! A mate had Suntour XC Comp in about 1990, never any problems with it.

    I had a Campag MTB rim once, it was made of the softest metal I've seen! Dented so easily it was useless! Seem to remember it was expensive too. Their MTB groupsets looked quality though.
  • Paul 8vPaul 8v Posts: 5,458
    The Campag gear looked like it had been designed by Campagnolo's blind brother which didn't help sales an I seem to remember it was a bit behind the big S in the technology stakes, to be honest I've always had Campagnolo on my road bikes and I wouldn't have anything else (I personally hate the shape of the brake hoods on the Shimano road gear and I dont like the way you shift with the brake lever) but I would always use Shimano on my MTB as I've always used it and it's works.
    Not so sure about Fisher Price, I mean SRAM... :wink:
  • ride_wheneverride_whenever Posts: 13,279
    they do still make flat bar shifters so you could make a mtb with 10 speed mountainbike gearing. As far as i'm concerned, campagnolo make vastly superior parts purely because it is so rebuildable. If you get the record stuff then it is all cartridge bearings and every part you can get fairly quickly from mercian.

    You just don't get that with shimano or sram, but at least with shimano you can strip and rebuild the shifters, you certainly cannot do that with sram as easily.
  • Paul 8vPaul 8v Posts: 5,458
    You can even buy retrofit innards for the ergo shifters to convert 9 to 10 speed or 10 - 11
  • MonkeypumpMonkeypump Posts: 1,528
    Darren555 wrote:
    I remember back in the day when Suntour was the mtb groupset of choice. Bring back thumbshifters!

    Not Suntour, but I do have a pair of XT thumbies on a part-built bike in the shed... they still work perfectly.
  • Paul 8vPaul 8v Posts: 5,458
    they are a lovely bit of kit, my mate has some on his slowly dying GT LTS
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