Football - Transfers / Debt / New Era???? Preditected Top 4
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beverick wrote:[
Where I was coming from is that the manager has always had full control of on-field activities whilst the board took care of off-field - and that included transfers. Everyone worked together for the common good.
Benitez looked to have wanted to put himself in the firing line a couple of years ago when he started with his 'total control' regime - running on and off-field activities and trying to wrest control from the board and the owners. Just how many 'clear the air' meetings have there been over the last couple of years? He threatened to walk away last year and I was wholly dissatisfied when the club didn't call his bluff. I was equally dissatisfied when Noel White left the club after a media spat with Benitez.
Compare this article with todays farce:http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2007/12/liverpools-forgotten-heroes-no-02-sir.html
I know that times have changed and managers want/have more control over the club's finances (or lack of them) but there has to be consensus within the club and joint motivation in search of a common good.
It's worked like that at Anfield since the 1950's and I can't see why it should change because of one Spaniard. No matter how well meaning.
Bob
You can see that it was the owners who moved the goalposts though, can't you? That Rafa was going along just fine, delivering the club to two out of three European Cup Finals, until Moores sold to the Americans.
If Rafa was fighting for an increased share of the power at Anfield, it was to keep it out of the hands of the leeches who are bleeding your club dry. Today he lost that fight, and I'm afraid your fate is now completely in the hands of people who couldn't care less about the club. Good luck.0 -
Shine on La Liga ?
Have you taken any notice of La Liga at all?
Aside from Barcelona and Madrid, they are in a sh it state.
League table went something like;
Barce - 99 points
Madrid - 96 points
Valencia - 71 points
The rest of La Liga are championship standard or broke, a la Valencia and Deportivo following years of trying to keep up with the big two.
Premier League on the other hand now has possiby a big 8 or 9 clubs that are all capable of getting in the top 4. It has been more competative than ever before - just look at the total of games lost by the top 4 for example...All good.
I'm a LFC supporter and tbh, I'm fairly relaxed with what is going on. A fresh start is needed and I'll welcome a season or so of consolidation while the search for investors and new owners continues. LFC is a huge brand name and club, arguably, one of the top 5 biggest clubs in the world. It'll never go bankrupt or be short of people wanting to get involved so I'm happy that we will end up in a better position than we are currently. We just need the triggers to get things moving, and that is precisely is happening.0 -
-Liam- wrote:I'm a LFC supporter and tbh, I'm fairly relaxed with what is going on. A fresh start is needed and I'll welcome a season or so of consolidation while the search for investors and new owners continues. LFC is a huge brand name and club, arguably, one of the top 5 biggest clubs in the world. It'll never go bankrupt or be short of people wanting to get involved so I'm happy that we will end up in a better position than we are currently. We just need the triggers to get things moving, and that is precisely is happening.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.0 -
Smokin Joe wrote:If Abramovich walks away from Chelsea they are fecked, they owe him 750 million quid and he can demand payment in full with eighteen months notice. .
Complete and utter b00lox! Get your facts right - he converted it to equity0 -
stfc1 wrote:-Liam- wrote:I'm a LFC supporter and tbh, I'm fairly relaxed with what is going on. A fresh start is needed and I'll welcome a season or so of consolidation while the search for investors and new owners continues. LFC is a huge brand name and club, arguably, one of the top 5 biggest clubs in the world. It'll never go bankrupt or be short of people wanting to get involved so I'm happy that we will end up in a better position than we are currently. We just need the triggers to get things moving, and that is precisely is happening.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I've got 3 kids and lots of bills to pay that may stop me sleeping at night. A football club soap opera won't
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Read this -millymoose wrote:Smokin Joe wrote:If Abramovich walks away from Chelsea they are fecked, they owe him 750 million quid and he can demand payment in full with eighteen months notice. .
Complete and utter b00lox! Get your facts right - he converted it to equity
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... -loan-debt0 -
-Liam- wrote:stfc1 wrote:-Liam- wrote:I'm a LFC supporter and tbh, I'm fairly relaxed with what is going on. A fresh start is needed and I'll welcome a season or so of consolidation while the search for investors and new owners continues. LFC is a huge brand name and club, arguably, one of the top 5 biggest clubs in the world. It'll never go bankrupt or be short of people wanting to get involved so I'm happy that we will end up in a better position than we are currently. We just need the triggers to get things moving, and that is precisely is happening.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I've got 3 kids and lots of bills to pay that may stop me sleeping at night. A football club soap opera won't
Won't argue with that
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The Glazer's bought Man Utd to give them an income, and because they are sole owners the club is liable for the debt, not them. This means that they can walk away if the club go bust having bled it dry for "management fees" as they are currently doing. This is leading to Man Utd being uncompetitive in the transfer market. Unless they can sign the likes of Benzema from Real Madrid, Joe Cole (to replace Scholes/Giggs..... what a free transfer he would be), Stephen Appiah (why was he not snapped up by a big club after the last world cup?) and a decent goalkeeper to replace Van de Saar they will not be competitive after next year. Problem is that they would cost about £100m and Man Utd haven't got that money.
Liverpool are fecked to be honest. Hicks and Gillett just want an impossible return on their investment....... £800m for a debt ridden crisis club in freefall with no manager???? Gerrard will go to Madrid, Torres wants out and Mascherano will follow, leaving a 33 year old Jamie Carragher as the only true class player they have.
Arsenal are going stale and need a real overhaul. Their only 2 real class players are Fabregas (who will go to Barca) and Van Persie (who will probably ask for a transfer if Fabregas goes). Other than them they are in need of a right back, a centre back, a goalkeeper, a left winger and a centre midfielder along with a main striker. I see the Europa League beckoning next season.
Chelsea have an unknown budget. They will need to replace Joe Cole, Drogba, (possibly) Ashley Cole, Carvalho, Deco, Ferriera, Ballack (soon) and Anelka in the next 2 years. Lampard is 31 and will be on the wane soon too, so a huge rebuild will be needed costing upwards of £200m.
Aston Villa have a major problem in that James Milner wants to play Champions League football, and if he goes I'm sure Ashley Young will follow. Who would want to go there?
Man City are an enigma. They have the biggest resources of any of the clubs, but they lack the attraction of Champions League football. Will the best players in the world go there for the wages with the chance to take the club an extra step? Robinho needs to go, but the clubs that want him can't afford him. They have a few players they could sell, but on the wages they currently take home nobody will want them and their most valuable asset (Carlos Tevez) is apparently unhappy. Stephen Ireland is not able to secure a place in the team and is coveted by Fergie at Man Utd but can you see him going there? The fee would be so inflated it wouldn't happen.
Spurs have a problem in that Robbie Keane can't be afforded by the only club that REALLY want him (Celtic) and probably wouldn't go to a lower club in the Premiership such as Villa (who could use him to replace Milner). They also need a decent left back now that the Welsh kid is becoming a winger, a right back and David Bentley is on the way out leaving a vacancy for someone who can cross the ball unless lennon learns how at the World Cup.
My top 4 next year........ in no particular order:
Man Utd
Chelsea
Man City
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-Liam- wrote:Premier League on the other hand now has possiby a big 8 or 9 clubs that are all capable of getting in the top 4. It has been more competative than ever before - just look at the total of games lost by the top 4 for example...All good.
How about maybe the top 4 are getting worse instead of 4 or 5 getting better?
Chelsea - still good but ageing.
Man Utd - nowhere near as good as they used to be, 3 class players and 2 of them are nearing retirement. Skint.
Arsenal - everytime they get close they sell their best players.
Liverpool - 2 man team, both of whom are likely to move; skint.
Everton, Aston Villa etc small movements up or down but unlikely to challenge.
The only improvememts are at Man City due to resources and Spurs.
Harry may be able to stay in the top 4 but I doubt he can maintain that and compete seriously in Europe. Won't win the EPL.
That leaves Chelsea and possibly Man City battling it out next season, not 8 or 9.None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.0 -
stfc1 wrote:beverick wrote:..............It's worked like that at Anfield since the 1950's and I can't see why it should change because of one Spaniard. No matter how well meaning.
Bob
You can see that it was the owners who moved the goalposts though, can't you? That Rafa was going along just fine, delivering the club to two out of three European Cup Finals, until Moores sold to the Americans.
If Rafa was fighting for an increased share of the power at Anfield, it was to keep it out of the hands of the leeches who are bleeding your club dry. Today he lost that fight, and I'm afraid your fate is now completely in the hands of people who couldn't care less about the club. Good luck.
I am quite happy to include Hicks and Gillette in the 'Anfield way' quote - they are indeed part of the problem. But so was Rafa. I also dispute that the goalposts were moved as far as Rafa was concerned; let's face it, the guy had form before the change of owner.
His initial success at L4 (when he brought 'old big ears' and the title of Eurpean Champion to the club, the FA Cup and the second CL final in 2007 to a lesser extent) was largely with Houllier's squad and even with these successes there were problems behind the scenes. Bizzare squad rotation, reported rifts with senior players, selling Owen (which was actually and ironically his best deal in the transfer market), the Gerrard saga in 2005, the many questionable signings and the episode with Anfield stalwart Noel White as early as 2006 (see http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/archive/n ... -17999425/) all gave signals of what was to come.
And then don't forget that he was only available to Liverpool because he had 'left' Valencia after falling out with their chief exec.
More recently he 'fell out' with Rick Parry in 2007 and again in 2008, there was the episode with the will-he-won't he sign contract negotiations, the dispute with and resignations of Academy exec (and Liverpool icon) Steve Heighway as well as his own assistant manager.
I fully agree that, to paraphrase the bard, "There's something wrotten in the state of Denmark" but, personally, I think Rafa, and his combative style, was part of the problem and was not taking the club towards a stable solution.
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Liverpool should be naughty and go for Moyes as next managerjc0
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spurs time is arriving very fast , the club is in great shape money wise , a good manager who seems to get the best out of his players , modric signed for another six years , bale as well , watch us go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't be too sure about keeping the manager.brakelever wrote:spurs time is arriving very fast , the club is in great shape money wise , a good manager who seems to get the best out of his players , modric signed for another six years , bale as well , watch us go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If HMRC have their way his next job might be coaching B Wing's first eleven.0 -
jc4lab wrote:Liverpool should be naughty and go for Moyes as next manager
behave yourself!'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
brakelever wrote:spurs time is arriving very fast , the club is in great shape money wise , a good manager who seems to get the best out of his players , modric signed for another six years , bale as well , watch us go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't spurs fans say this EVERY year though?0 -
Smokin Joe wrote:
Don't be too sure about keeping the manager.brakelever wrote:spurs time is arriving very fast , the club is in great shape money wise , a good manager who seems to get the best out of his players , modric signed for another six years , bale as well , watch us go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If HMRC have their way his next job might be coaching B Wing's first eleven.
'Arry, it's the tax man...............................
"There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0 -
What's this Premiership thing you keep harking on about. The npower Championship is the best league in the world!
And as for my hometown club? Marine here we come (hopefully)0 -
TakeTheHighRoad wrote:What's this Premiership thing you keep harking on about. The npower Championship is the best league in the world!
And as for my hometown club? Marine here we come (hopefully)
If only you'd had a player like, say ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Tevez, you may have stayed up."There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0 -
dg74 wrote:brakelever wrote:spurs time is arriving very fast , the club is in great shape money wise , a good manager who seems to get the best out of his players , modric signed for another six years , bale as well , watch us go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't spurs fans say this EVERY year though?
Yes. So? What's your point? 0
