Football - Transfers / Debt / New Era???? Preditected Top 4

Karl2010

Was just reading the 'Fabragas to barca' thread, and thought id start this one..

For me the 2009-2010 season wasn't as good as the 2008-2009 season.
Why?
Well I guess it started with Real Madrid, spending so much money and taking the best player in the world from the Premier Leauge to La Liga.

The shine has definitly been on La Liga this season, and not so much on the English Premier Leauge.

I think English Premier football is going to go through a Lul phase for a few years.
I think the Leauge has Peaked and it will go quiet (in European trems) for a few years untill we can get more tallent coming through. I think we will see a change in the 'usual top four'

Liverpool are going to struggle to get into the top 4 this season.
Infact Liverpool are in big big trouble.
There is a rummor that Gerrard is going to Real Midrid, along with Ashly Cole. This rummor aledgedly came from Wayne Rooney's cousin.

If Gerrard goes, Liverpool are 'fudged', Liverpool have got NO MONEY to spend.
Man United are in a similar boat, although i'm sure Ferguson will get a decent trasnsfer budget.
Arsenal have got NO MONEY.

Chealsey and Man City seem the strongest financialy.

What about Tottenham? Harry has brought loads of players in, and good ones at that. I think they can do well again for the 2010-2011 season. But what debt have they gone into?

If Fabragas goes to Barca i think Arsenal will struggle to make top 4 in the 2010-2011 season.

Predicted Top Four 2010-2011 Season. (in no particular order)

Manchester United
Cheasley
Man City
Tottenham

PS... i'm a very concerned Liverpool fan.

Cleat Eastwood

I'll join you in the worried liverpool fan stakes. I cant see spurs making top four. They'll want to try and make tracks into europe I reckon, even if its the consolation of the Europa after they get tonked after the first round.

I reckon man u'll win it, chelsea, arsenal and riding high on the wave of rock and candy floss Blackpool.

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finchy

Unless you support one of the big 4, the Premiership has been a predictable snore-fest for the past decade.

I hope that the Premier League clubs do less well in the CL in the future - if it means they get reduced income, the wealth divide will become smaller and we might finally have a slightly more competitive league.

Ben6899

Manchester City have plenty of cash, but I'm not sure moving there is a particularly mouth-watering prospect for the world's best players.

Stewie Griffin

Debt? Nope, we are financially sound thank you, even with a Sugar Daddy we are still run properly.

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploads ... _dec09.pdf

Edit; Top four predictions? Us and I dont give a monkeys as to who else 8)

squired

I think one of the biggest factors affecting where players end up will be the 50% tax rate. With the changes being made to the top level of tax, players have to earn substantially more before tax in England to have the same take home pay as they would in Spain. If you are a footballer why are you going to come to England where you will be paying 50% (without NI, etc on top) versus Spain, where the tax rules give you a far easier ride.

As for the Premier League.. who knows. The new rules on squads coming in next season will be important and there will presumably be more focus on so-called "Home Grown" players.

I can't see Man Utd being better next season unless they replace a number of people in their squad, which is getting old quickly. Liverpool are on a downward spiral. Chelsea and Man City have the finances to be able to buy whoever they want and I see them as the top 2 next season. Arsenal always show potential, but need a couple of quality experienced players, but there is no sign of any joining. After that we have clubs like Spurs and Villa. With clever purchases this summer they could definitely get top 4 next season, but probably not top 2.

spen666

Karl2010 wrote:

Was just reading the 'Fabragas to barca' thread, and thought id start this one..

For me the 2009-2010 season wasn't as good as the 2008-2009 season.
Why?
Well I guess it started with Real Madrid, spending so much money and taking the best player in the world from the Premier Leauge to La Liga....

Emile Heskey went to Real Madrid last summer???????????????????????????????

Clever Pun

France are going to do well out of this in europe.. after the announcement it wasn't long before they got the euro championships and the government helps them increase their stadia... hmmm

Liverpool need to plan big with the new stadium, fingers crossed.

The super rich owners have two years to flood the clubs with money before it's culled.


At the end of the day what I can really see happening is ticket prices going up

EKIMIKE

German Football is in a fantastic position. Highest gates in Europe, thanks mainly to the fact that German clubs have to be debt free to compete. Cheap tickets for fans. Safe standing terraces. Great stadiums. Lack of dominant forces, although Bayern are still strong there's been a fair few different winners of the Bundesliga in years previous.

I thin the Premier League model is choking, if not slowly dying. Alot of it is un-sustainable, over-inflated hype. As much as i hate to say it.

One thing that is a good prospect is the rule changes regarding home-grown players and the registration of young players (i believe you can use as many U21's as you like throughout the season, starting next season).

I think Arsenal are in real trouble if they lose Fabregas and keep on stalling the development of young players like Merida, Vela, Walcott e.t.c. The Frenchman needs to start showing some faith in the kids he's poached. It's a gross waste of talent.


Chelsea also need to start using the fruits of their academy investments. Their squad is ageing severly.

Cleat Eastwood

Did you see the debt Man U are in. There was a guy on the tele yesterday talking about the waste of the Glaziers and he said that...get this...last season every man u suppoter who went to a game could have got in free AND been given 800£ and Man U woudl still be in the same mess they find themselves in now.

fast as fupp

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Liverpool need to plan big with the new stadium, fingers crossed.


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haha! the rs are skint mate- apparently its all the fault of 'dem yanks'

dg74

Isn't the Gerrard leaving thing to do with him being caught with his pants down with another lass?

It'll come out soon enough but she's allegedly only 17 or something.

Also appears that his (gerrard's) missus was shagging Kris Commons

This lot off the same guy that broke the Terry/Bridges rumour

Smokin Joe

Liverpool and Man U are heading for bankruptcy unless they can each find a billionaire to come in and bail them out. Their debts are unsustainable in the medium to long term.

If Abramovich walks away from Chelsea they are fecked, they owe him 750 million quid and he can demand payment in full with eighteen months notice. Only Man City have the real money to compete with the continental clubs if they can persuade top players to come to an unfashionable club.

I think the days of English sides dominating Europe are over for a while, and most Premiership clubs are too racked with debt to make real progress. Two decades of pissing more money than they earn against the wall in wages are coming home to roost.

Cleat Eastwood

And now rafa sacked. pooh

Karl2010

Yeah looks like Rafa is off.

Im not too bothered by that. I've got a bit of a love/hate thing going on with Rafa.

bobtbuilder

I think Arsenal are in real trouble if they lose Fabregas and keep on stalling the development of young players like Merida, Vela, Walcott e.t.c. The Frenchman needs to start showing some faith in the kids he's poached. It's a gross waste of talent.

Merida's gone already. Atletico Madrid IIRC.

MICHAELCYCLES

Next seasons Top 4:
Man U
Chelsea
Spurs
Everton

daviesee

Top 4?

Chelsea
Man City
Arsenal
Man Utd.

Man Utd & Liverpool are burst and Arsene's strange signing policy means the other 2 can overcome the rest. Spurs will be in the mix for a while but drop out.
If Man City qualify for Champions League 2011-2012 then they will attract better players and dominate unless Abramovic decides to act.

I believe the EPL is over hyped, the players over paid and the peak has gone. La Liga is where it is at now...

And I am well familiar with a sliding standard of the game

Stewie Griffin

Im sorry but clearly most of you know nothing about football :roll: I do fear City and their money so 4th or 5th for us next year assuming that Liverpool are in the doldrums for another season as whoever their new manager might be he isnt going to have any money to spend save from the proceeds from Stevie Me and Torres.

beverick

Karl2010 wrote:

Yeah looks like Rafa is off.

Im not too bothered by that. I've got a bit of a love/hate thing going on with Rafa.

I did have but it's been more hate every day for the last couple of years - since his Fergie moment in fact.

I actually thought his time had come last season when it looked as if he thought he could be bigger than the club. He didn't seem to realise that building his part up in that way is not a tenable situation at Anfield. If never has and it never will - it's just not "the Liverpool way".

The next 12-18 months is going to be crucial for LFC. Big debts, inaequate income, a ten man squad with the probability that at least two of the better players will leave over the summer, by all accounts a temporary manager and owners that just don't want to be there don't point to a good time.

I pass Leeds United's ground on my way home and find myself thinking of Anfield and how league fixture lists including (and with no disrespect to them) Yeovil and Dagenham and Redbridge would look in the Anfield Review.

Shanks and Paisley must be spinning in their graves.

Bob

jimmythecuckoo

I dont think we will have a big 4 any more... too many teams chucking too much money about for that.

beverick

jimmythecuckoo wrote:

I dont think we will have a big 4 any more... too many teams chucking too much money about for that.

We never did have 4. It was a big three, then Liverpool and then the rest.

It's now a big 3; the next 5 Liverpool (perhaps), Man C, Spoz, Everton and Villa; and the remaining 12.

My fear is that LFC will fall straight through the remaining 12 and into the footballing wilderness for a few years.

Bob

jimmythecuckoo

It is likely although I was told today that Torres had fallen out with Rafa and told the club "its him or me"...


Benitez looks likely to be off in the next few days.

beverick

jimmythecuckoo wrote:

It is likely although I was told today that Torres had fallen out with Rafa and told the club "its him or me"...


Benitez looks likely to be off in the next few days.

That would be an easy question for any club to answer. Just ask David Beckham.

Bob

Cleat Eastwood

Its the standard practice though when clubs want to pu tthemslevs on the market, ie say theyre bringing in fresh blood to appeal to new investors but going by todays papers the fresh blood seems to be Roy Hodgson.....whaaaaat!!

beverick

He has been linked with LFC for some time. Five years ago I'd have said give him a punt but at 63 appointing him for anything other than a stand-in (3-4 year) role would be questionable.

I think King Kenny will be tempted back into the hot seat until the club's finances are stabilised and a long-term appointment can be made. It would bring credibility to the club, passify the fans and perhaps bring some sense back to L4.

Bob

stfc1

beverick wrote:

Karl2010 wrote:

Yeah looks like Rafa is off.

Im not too bothered by that. I've got a bit of a love/hate thing going on with Rafa.

I did have but it's been more hate every day for the last couple of years - since his Fergie moment in fact.

I actually thought his time had come last season when it looked as if he thought he could be bigger than the club. He didn't seem to realise that building his part up in that way is not a tenable situation at Anfield. If never has and it never will - it's just not "the Liverpool way".

The next 12-18 months is going to be crucial for LFC. Big debts, inaequate income, a ten man squad with the probability that at least two of the better players will leave over the summer, by all accounts a temporary manager and owners that just don't want to be there don't point to a good time.

I pass Leeds United's ground on my way home and find myself thinking of Anfield and how league fixture lists including (and with no disrespect to them) Yeovil and Dagenham and Redbridge would look in the Anfield Review.

Shanks and Paisley must be spinning in their graves.

Bob

On the contrary, as far as I can tell Rafa was the last man standing in a position of power at Anfield who was fighting for 'the Liverpool way' as you call it. Whoever his replacement is will have agreed to work under the conditions imposed by the current regime and will be in no position to fight them.

Shanks and Paisley will indeed be spinning.

fast as fupp

its all good!

*laughs at rs*

stfc1

fast as fupp wrote:

its all good!

*laughs at rs*

I'm only looking in from the outside, but I'd say there's plenty more to come. Your lot might even get a chance to finish a season above them soon*.

*I'm assuming you're Tranmere

fast as fupp

tranwho?

beverick

stfc1 wrote:

beverick wrote:

Karl2010 wrote:

Yeah looks like Rafa is off.

..........

Bob

On the contrary, as far as I can tell Rafa was the last man standing in a position of power at Anfield who was fighting for 'the Liverpool way' as you call it. Whoever his replacement is will have agreed to work under the conditions imposed by the current regime and will be in no position to fight them.

Shanks and Paisley will indeed be spinning.

Where I was coming from is that the manager has always had full control of on-field activities whilst the board took care of off-field - and that included transfers. Everyone worked together for the common good.

Benitez looked to have wanted to put himself in the firing line a couple of years ago when he started with his 'total control' regime - running on and off-field activities and trying to wrest control from the board and the owners. Just how many 'clear the air' meetings have there been over the last couple of years? He threatened to walk away last year and I was wholly dissatisfied when the club didn't call his bluff. I was equally dissatisfied when Noel White left the club after a media spat with Benitez.

Compare this article with todays farce:http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2007/12/liverpools-forgotten-heroes-no-02-sir.html

I know that times have changed and managers want/have more control over the club's finances (or lack of them) but there has to be consensus within the club and joint motivation in search of a common good.

It's worked like that at Anfield since the 1950's and I can't see why it should change because of one Spaniard. No matter how well meaning.

Bob