Millar's going (too) well....

Langman

Am I the only person that questions how well David Millar seems to be going again. His performance really dropped off after getting busted now his is joint fav to win the prologue where he might well beat wiggins.....

Yellow Peril

I think it is a combination of natural talent, hard work , self belief and being comfortable in your team surroundings. There is no greater cocktail of drugs than that.

I don't think DM would be stupid enough to jeopardise his career with another act of stupidity. I also think he may get a bit of a kick out of the self righteousness of the reformed drug taker.

greasedscotsman

So not only do we now question a riders performance if he does something "out of this world", but we question someone just because they are joint favourite?

Langman

Well I think its only natural to question a proven drugs cheat, the addiction to the feeling of winning must be quite a temptation once you have had it only to comeback and be an also ran - not to mention the money.

Different sport but same situation with Ben Johnson who came back and got busted for drugs twice after 88 - done it once can do it again.

DaveyL

I seem to recall he won a long TT in the 2006 Vuelta, so I presume his performance only dropped off for a couple of months after his return? :roll:

Come on. He has had good form, this season, and won the Three Days of De Panne, he's a TT specialist, and a lot of people who might beat him aren't there (i.e. Cancellara).

He's probably only a favourite because he has shown some form. Guys like Larsson and Tuft could easily win but it's not as clear to Joe Cycling Public how well they're going at the moment.

I guess Richie Porte has form and has to be in the mix.

Cumulonimbus

He won a prologue in the 2007 paris-nice and was equal first on the stage 4 time trial in the tour 2008 (schumacher beat him and Kirchen but has since tested positive).

I would be more concerned if he was winning on the climbs. He has always been able to get up the climbs, especially the shorter ones. In Paris-Nice and the Crit International he was aiming for the overall so would have wanted to do as well as he could on the climbs in those races. On the steep finish to Mende in paris-nice he finished in the same time as the guy in 21st while on the last stage he wasnt able to keep up with the leaders when the power went down on the final climb and finished in the same time as the man in 18th. The crit international first stage saw him finish in the same time as dan martin, 13th.

Yellow Peril

...and we know on at least one stage of the Tour he'll have us on the edge ofour seats as he goes for a death or glory break on the last few km only to get reeled in as he passes under the red kite...perhaps he should have been a tennis player?

Cumulonimbus

Yellow Peril wrote:

...and we know on at least one stage of the Tour he'll have us on the edge ofour seats as he goes for a death or glory break on the last few km only to get reeled in as he passes under the red kite...perhaps he should have been a tennis player?

:?:

Yellow Peril

Cumulonimbus wrote:

Yellow Peril wrote:

...and we know on at least one stage of the Tour he'll have us on the edge ofour seats as he goes for a death or glory break on the last few km only to get reeled in as he passes under the red kite...perhaps he should have been a tennis player?

:?:

ala Tiger Tim and Andy Murray...so near yet so far.

micron

Millar was still working with Cecchini in 2006

acidstrato

Awesome miller has probably been training with Bhima

shockedsoshocked

acidstrato wrote:

Awesome miller has probably been training with Bhima

Bhima would put him away easy.

DaveyL

micron wrote:

Millar was still working with Cecchini in 2006

Do you mean, he worked with Cecchini for 2 months in 2006?

Tusher

Yellow Peril wrote:

I think it is a combination of natural talent, hard work , self belief and being comfortable in your team surroundings. There is no greater cocktail of drugs than that.

I don't think DM would be stupid enough to jeopardise his career with another act of stupidity. I also think he may get a bit of a kick out of the self righteousness of the reformed drug taker.

+1

Anonymous

Perhaps his opposition are cleaner too?

Tom Butcher

Panic over - he's clean

mididoctors

millar is and has been going at about 90% of the rider he was..

which strikes me as about right

SpaceJunk

I reckon Brent Bookwalter is definatelty on drugs. My evidence?

He did better than I expected him too. Give him his 2 year ban now!!

And Richie Porte is on drugs too. Well at least he was for Romandie, but it's obvious that there still must be traces in his body somewhere.

Not sure about Millar, I thought he would finish top 3, not 7th. Maybe he has a bad batch of drugs.

:roll: :roll:

Boy, it doesn't take much for us to cast aspersions on the performances of riders. Sure, the doping culture has contributed to our cynicism, but do we have to be so suspicious?

tlw1

NapoleonD wrote:

Perhaps his opposition are cleaner too?

+1

Langman

Millars going well.....

Matt the Tester

no doubt about it bhima is a beast DM couldnt keep up with him lol.

paulieb2006

DM is a serious talent. He has been in great form since the classics. Made mistakes which we all know about,but I thing above anybody else who has been caught (bar Kholl) he understood how stupid he was to do what he did. He has also spoke up more than any body else about what is going on in this wonderful sport, Paul Kimmage aside

paulcuthbert

paulieb2006 wrote:

DM is a serious talent. He has been in great form since the classics. Made mistakes which we all know about,but I thing above anybody else who has been caught (bar Kholl) he understood how stupid he was to do what he did. He has also spoke up more than any body else about what is going on in this wonderful sport, Paul Kimmage aside

Didn't Obree leave road racing because of systematic doping in the European scene and then talk openly about it? He refused to dope. I read that somewhere.

Garry H

paulcuthbert wrote:

Didn't Obree leave road racing because of systematic doping in the European scene and then talk openly about it? He refused to dope. I read that somewhere.

Aye, I think he gave it as the reason why he was dropped by Le Groupement. They wanted to take money out of his salary for "medical back up", or something.

paulcuthbert

Garry H wrote:

paulcuthbert wrote:

Didn't Obree leave road racing because of systematic doping in the European scene and then talk openly about it? He refused to dope. I read that somewhere.

Aye, I think he gave it as the reason why he was dropped by Le Groupement. They wanted to take money out of his salary for "medical back up", or something.

Haha, dodgy!

jerry3571

I can't beleive that anyone is accusing DM (a pro cyclist) of doping.
I mean where's the evidence???...except for when he last doped whilst he was riding equally as well; top TT performances and Tour stage wins etc etc.

I mean, it's like someone goes to Fat Fighters Club who is always putting on weight and denying that they are eating as many cakes as before. It's not the cakes that make em fat; it's their Thyroid; every fatty seems to have a rare Thyroid Conditions these days; "OOOH nooo; it's really, really, really not the cakes and pies!!" Bollocks
We all lie so deal with it.

I read a comment the other day when someone said that crowd should be dope tested for Illegal drugs and see how many people are breaking the Law. Interesting.

As well as DM riding his butt off, I think Vino will not wake up one of these days. He seems almost possessed to win. I'm sure he doesn't need a night light when he goes to bed as I reckon all the drugs would make him glow like the Ready Brek kid.
I know a teenager who is getting really strong at the moment and has just made it on to a feeder Team and think of how the future will pan out for him with all the drugs. I used to ride some Training Races with Dan Lloyd, only a few years ago, and I guess he's seeing all sorts now he's in the big time. :?

It's up to the riders I guess.

-Jerry

paulcuthbert

You're such a pessimist Jerry

luckao

jerry3571 wrote:

I read a comment the other day when someone said that crowd should be dope tested for Illegal drugs and see how many people are breaking the Law. Interesting.

An interesting breach of human rights. Hardly tantamount to professionals legally agreeing to undergo testing as a requesite for their involvement in the sport.

jerry3571

I think you miss the point.
Cyclists do not come from another planet; they are the same as us.They are a product of our society and have the same faults and misguided ideas the rest of us have.
Most of us here have broke some kind of Law whether it was a By Law, the Tax System, Speeding, rules at work, Health and Safety, smoking dope or whatever. Humans like to push the barriers.
I think on the whole that Tyler Hamilton was a good bloke but he broke the rules and got caught but on the whole he was a good guy. A good bloke that cheated.
What I said about dope testing the crowd was not a literal thing but saying the old saying about "those in Glass Houses shouldn't throw stones". I think this attitude comes from our UK based Newspapers as they are always having a pop at the latest scandals. One of the Heads of the Sun Newspaper has written a book where he was drunk everyday and usually did a lot of drugs along the way. His headlines usually accusing someone in the public eye of being a Crack Addict or a drunken mess. The bloke is the pits; the worst kind. A finger pointer.

-Jerry

DaveyL

Langman wrote:

Millars going well.....

Ahem

luckao

Like Cadel, Millar's also been viewing this forum.