Blimey..... Man Utd out!

Ben6899

iainment wrote:

So you're just a long time glory hunter then, it was only 1 season and I doubt you started supporting them as they went down. Not the glory hunters mentality.

and yes I do dislike people who support non local teams - just not as much as Man U fans. In my experience the Man U glory hunters are more odious and sanctimonious.

Rest assured I am not a glory hunter... I'd have switched to Liverpool if that was the case and as a result got an easy ride at school instead of constant stick for a) supporting a mediocre team and then b) having the nerve to support England's most successful team of the last 20 years and not my local team or Liverpool.

I support United because my dad does... lads tend to do that; follow in their dads' footsteps.

Odious and sanctimonious are new ones as well!

fungus_the_muffin_man

iainment wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

iainment wrote:

I despise Man U's non Manchester fans.

We can handle it and don't need to justify the reasoning. FWIW I supported United when they were in Div2 and Liverpool and Leeds were doing the business.

Out of interest, do you despise non-local fans of other teams? There are plenty of Liverpool fans living round here.

So you're just a long time glory hunter then, it was only 1 season and I doubt you started supporting them as they went down. Not the glory hunters mentality.

and yes I do dislike people who support non local teams - just not as much as Man U fans. In my experience the Man U glory hunters are more odious and sanctimonious.

This was the view I had of Liverpool fans before their fall from grace. Winning nothing for years has humbled them some what. Having watched United since the late 70's ( when my dad 1st took me to OT) and having watched my team play second fiddle to the scousers down the canal I can understand some fans attitude following years of mis management and broken promises.

I'm sure If Chelsea were to manage a run of success or even liverpool we'd be having a similar convo about them in a few years time.

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

Ben6899

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

Answer: they don't. But it's an easy line for the ABUs to reel off again and again and again... never see it thrown at Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea supporters who I know.

fungus_the_muffin_man

Ben6899 wrote:

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

Answer: they don't. But it's an easy line for the ABUs to reel off again and again and again... never see it thrown at Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea supporters who I know.

You hear it a lot from the bitter blues, but it's a bit hypocritical when it invloves the 3 teams above

Ben6899

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

Answer: they don't. But it's an easy line for the ABUs to reel off again and again and again... never see it thrown at Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea supporters who I know.

You hear it a lot from the bitter blues

I usually find that "34 years" quietens them down. Or they lower the tone and say something about Munich, showing their true colours.

iainment

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

iainment wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

iainment wrote:

I despise Man U's non Manchester fans.

We can handle it and don't need to justify the reasoning. FWIW I supported United when they were in Div2 and Liverpool and Leeds were doing the business.

Out of interest, do you despise non-local fans of other teams? There are plenty of Liverpool fans living round here.

So you're just a long time glory hunter then, it was only 1 season and I doubt you started supporting them as they went down. Not the glory hunters mentality.

and yes I do dislike people who support non local teams - just not as much as Man U fans. In my experience the Man U glory hunters are more odious and sanctimonious.

This was the view I had of Liverpool fans before their fall from grace. Winning nothing for years has humbled them some what. Having watched United since the late 70's ( when my dad 1st took me to OT) and having watched my team play second fiddle to the scousers down the canal I can understand some fans attitude following years of mis management and broken promises.

I'm sure If Chelsea were to manage a run of success or even liverpool we'd be having a similar convo about them in a few years time.

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

They don't, but if you knew anything about the history of football you'd understand.
Without the locl connection what are they? And why would they stay? Look at American sport, if that's what you prefer then ok but the whole point has been about rivalry between places and their teams. If that connection goes why call them Manchester Utd, why not AIG Utd.

fungus_the_muffin_man

iainment wrote:

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

iainment wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

iainment wrote:

I despise Man U's non Manchester fans.

We can handle it and don't need to justify the reasoning. FWIW I supported United when they were in Div2 and Liverpool and Leeds were doing the business.

Out of interest, do you despise non-local fans of other teams? There are plenty of Liverpool fans living round here.

So you're just a long time glory hunter then, it was only 1 season and I doubt you started supporting them as they went down. Not the glory hunters mentality.

and yes I do dislike people who support non local teams - just not as much as Man U fans. In my experience the Man U glory hunters are more odious and sanctimonious.

This was the view I had of Liverpool fans before their fall from grace. Winning nothing for years has humbled them some what. Having watched United since the late 70's ( when my dad 1st took me to OT) and having watched my team play second fiddle to the scousers down the canal I can understand some fans attitude following years of mis management and broken promises.

I'm sure If Chelsea were to manage a run of success or even liverpool we'd be having a similar convo about them in a few years time.

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

They don't, but if you knew anything about the history of football you'd understand.
Without the locl connection what are they? And why would they stay? Look at American sport, if that's what you prefer then ok but the whole point has been about rivalry between places and their teams. If that connection goes why call them Manchester Utd, why not AIG Utd.

So if your not a local united fan you can't have a passionate rivalry with liverpudlians? Is that what your saying?

iainment

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

iainment wrote:

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

iainment wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

iainment wrote:

I despise Man U's non Manchester fans.

We can handle it and don't need to justify the reasoning. FWIW I supported United when they were in Div2 and Liverpool and Leeds were doing the business.

Out of interest, do you despise non-local fans of other teams? There are plenty of Liverpool fans living round here.

So you're just a long time glory hunter then, it was only 1 season and I doubt you started supporting them as they went down. Not the glory hunters mentality.

and yes I do dislike people who support non local teams - just not as much as Man U fans. In my experience the Man U glory hunters are more odious and sanctimonious.

This was the view I had of Liverpool fans before their fall from grace. Winning nothing for years has humbled them some what. Having watched United since the late 70's ( when my dad 1st took me to OT) and having watched my team play second fiddle to the scousers down the canal I can understand some fans attitude following years of mis management and broken promises.

I'm sure If Chelsea were to manage a run of success or even liverpool we'd be having a similar convo about them in a few years time.

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

They don't, but if you knew anything about the history of football you'd understand.
Without the locl connection what are they? And why would they stay? Look at American sport, if that's what you prefer then ok but the whole point has been about rivalry between places and their teams. If that connection goes why call them Manchester Utd, why not AIG Utd.

So if your not a local united fan you can't have a passionate rivalry with liverpudlians? Is that what your saying?

No.

Frank the tank

Plastic Mancs, plastic scousers, plastic cockneys! I can't be doing with any of 'em. I live in the Notts I support my local town team (NPL status). I can understand people from my town following Forest/Notts county/Mansfield but not a team from miles away. Unless of course they've moved into this area.

As for the premier league (div 1) for me the rot set in when teams were allowed to keep 100% of the gate reciepts and not having to hand over a %age to the away team.

When they wanted to set up the Premier league the league should have told them fair enough have your premier league but it's the champions of the English football league that play in europe. Unfortunately they didn't have the balls.

Next step will be the "big clubs" (support wise) negotiating the tv rights for their own games and being invited to play in a europe wide league. Where's your premiersh1t league then?

iainment

Frank the tank wrote:

Plastic Mancs, plastic scousers, plastic cockneys! I can't be doing with any of 'em. I live in the Notts I support my local town team (NPL status). I can understand people from my town following Forest/Notts county/Mansfield but not a team from miles away. Unless of course they've moved into this area.

As for the premier league (div 1) for me the rot set in when teams were allowed to keep 100% of the gate reciepts and not having to hand over a %age to the away team.

When they wanted to set up the Premier league the league should have told them fair enough have your premier league but it's the champions of the English football league that play in europe. Unfortunately they didn't have the balls.

Next step will be the "big clubs" (support wise) negotiating the tv rights for their own games and being invited to play in a europe wide league. Where's your premiersh1t league then?

#1

When I was living in Plumstead - to which I will probably return in the summer - I also enjoyed going to see Welling Utd when the Addicks were away and I wasn't going.
Did Hucknall Town ever play them?

iainment

Ben6899 wrote:

Fungus The Muffin Man wrote:

one question though - why do people HAVE to support their local team?

Answer: they don't. But it's an easy line for the ABUs to reel off again and again and again... never see it thrown at Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea supporters who I know.

I've had this discussion with London fans of Northern teams, with South Londoners supporting North London teams, unless there is some link I just can't understand supporting a team that involves going past other teams grounds to get to theirs. Unless it's to avoid Millwall.

I had friends in Plumstead who'd catch the train into town, go past the Valley, the Den (I know), to get to the Bridge, Highbury or WHL or catch trains out of London going past the midland teams on their way to watch Utd. None with any connection to the place they were going to watch footy.
This distorts the football economy and just leads to the concentrated domination of the big clubs.

To me it is wrong and those who do it are misguided, shortsighted and foolish.

Pip pip.

iainment

You miss the point - on that logic only winning teams would have people watching.

deptfordmarmoset

When I was living in Plumstead - to which I will probably return in the summer - I also enjoyed going to see Welling Utd when the Addicks were away and I wasn't going.

Quite by coincidence, I discovered where Welling United's ground was on Easter Monday. I'd gone 40-odd years in London without even knowing they existed. It looked as though they had a game on, unless there's a drinking man's club inside there.

Me, I was born in Leeds and though I left when I was about 10, I couldn't support any other team. Unfortunately. I can appreciate top teams, of course, but that's not really supporting them.

Frank the tank

iainment, Hucknall have never played Welling. Our only chance of crossing swords would be in one of the national fa competitions, and we tend to get knocked out of them early doors these days.

Airwave

People will hate AFC Bournemouth when we dominate europe for 10years.Players such as Messi will beg to be allowed to pull on the cherries strip

Ben6899

iainment wrote:

To me it is wrong and those who do it are misguided, shortsighted and foolish.

You better tell my very generous employers that there's a misguided and shortsighted fool in their ranks. I'll PM you the number.

Gazzaputt

Just like to say that well done Liverpool for showing the dirty mancs how to turnover a 2-1 deficit

Ben6899

Gazzaputt wrote:

Just like to say that well done Liverpool for showing the dirty mancs how to turnover a 2-1 deficit

Rafa set them up to attack - for once - and lo and behold; it worked! Who'da thunk it, eh?

Benfica were dogshit, which helped.

Bobbinogs

I still don't agree to the concept of dropping out of one competition and going into the final bits of another (not blaming Liverpool here).

I watched Fulham last night and the astonishing fact read out was that Fulham started their Europa campaign in July last year. Liverpool's Europa campaign started when they got dumped out of a champion's league group after they had 6 games in which to prove their worth. It doesn't seem fair to me but I guess this is all about maximising TV revenue and nothing to do with fairness (well done messers Blatter and Platini, yet again).

Frank the tank

Never agreed with being eliminated in one comp only to be placed into another, totally unfair, all about giving more income to the already wealthy clubs, and tv companies.

guilliano

Well done Fulham! Great result. Would love to see them go on and win it, with Danny Murphy scoring the winner against Liverpool!

As an aside, I support Coventry. I was born there, my uncle played for them and I used to have a kickabout with the players after training when I was but a wee laddy. Is that allowed or do I have to support Leighton Town now that I live in Leighton Buzzard?

iainment

guilliano wrote:

Well done Fulham! Great result. Would love to see them go on and win it, with Danny Murphy scoring the winner against Liverpool!

As an aside, I support Coventry. I was born there, my uncle played for them and I used to have a kickabout with the players after training when I was but a wee laddy. Is that allowed or do I have to support Leighton Town now that I live in Leighton Buzzard?

No, you're from Cov ain't you.

beverick

Man U dumped out of the CL.

Four days later and it's still funny!

Bob

spen666

Frank the tank wrote:

Never agreed with being eliminated in one comp only to be placed into another, totally unfair, all about giving more income to the already wealthy clubs, and tv companies.

<devil's advocate>But when you go out of premiership cos you are crap you get placed in another competition- the chsampionship.....</devil's advocate>

antfly

devil`s advocate also- But that`s not a knockout competition........devil`s advocate

Frank the tank

spen666 wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

Never agreed with being eliminated in one comp only to be placed into another, totally unfair, all about giving more income to the already wealthy clubs, and tv companies.

<devil's advocate>But when you go out of premiership cos you are crap you get placed in another competition- the chsampionship.....</devil's advocate>

That is the way it's always been in leagues. The fact one is called premiership, the one lower championship is a load of cobblers.

There's a top league and as you drop down the leagues the teams become poorer in quality. In effect it's a handicap system as you prove you're the best in div 4 (now div 2 :roll: ) you get promoted to a division higher where the opporition is (allegedly) better better quality.

Knock out comps on the other hand should be exactly that, one bite of the cherry if you lose tough luck, there's always next season. If you gat knocked out the FA Cup you don't drop into the FA Trophy and then the FA Vase.

spen666

antfly wrote:

devil`s advocate also- But that`s not a knockout competition........devil`s advocate

so Portsmouth et all won't be knocked out of the competition at the end of the season?

Bit like team losing at end of 90 mins is knocked out of cup competition

antfly

If you follow your argument then teams that get knocked out of the Europa cup/league should go in to another competition as-well, and so on and on.