Look and step out instead of stop, look and then step out?

DonDaddyD

Why do peds do this?

I've lost count of the number times peds look and step out into the road in one movement. Then shout

"Sorry, didn't see you".

My retort?

"Of course you didn't see me, you didn't give yourself enough time to see me".

'Sigh....'

It seems that with all the 'Think' be aware, don't dink and drive, watch your speed and look out of cyclist, motorists and zombie invasion adverts there needs to be a green cross code reminder for peds.

Clever Pun

cutting put down.. work on that.

Soul Boy

And they probably arrive at work complaining of nearly being run over by another rude, lycra lout cyclist :roll:

tailwindhome

Are we supposed to join the dots between the 'Ped didn't see me' and 'I don't need Hi Viz' threads?

Or will a QI style alarm go off.

DonDaddyD

I'm sorry but if you can't see a near 16stone black guy on a red bike with anything up to 6 lights approaching you (when at night), then you need a dog to help you across the road.

Paul E

My first dry run into town a couple of sundays ago resulted in a few tourist peds stepping out on me as was about the take the turning onto northumberland avenue heading home, just not looking and walking out into the road against a red don't walk sign, the look I got was like I had just ran over a child, So I gave me most disapproving look and shake of me my head I passed them.

I am heading into two at 1 today for another dry/training run, will count how many do it to me again and the morons on charing cross road too who think walking just off the pavement forcing me out into the traffic more is a good idea. Mnnnngggghhhh

W1

Air horn time.

kelsen

DonDaddyD wrote:

I'm sorry but if you can't see a near 16stone black guy on a red bike with anything up to 6 lights approaching you (when at night), then you need a dog to help you across the road.

DDD, where you pootling along Clapham Common South Side this morning around 8.30? I went past a dude with humungous thighs riding a red Giant. I was expecting him to come by me along Clapham High St but didn't see him again.

Fireblade96

Tufty says:



Stop, look & listen before crossing the road.

Radioactiveman

Happened to me the other day I was on my way home after nights and a kid with a hoody on walked straight across the road without looking. I had to brake and swerve and he just looked at me like it was my fault.

So I politely told him to look where he was going and informed him he was a flipping welsh anchor

I am glad he didn't respond as I am quite grumpy when on nights. People do make random mistakes and misjudgements but the average hoodie nob thinks their hoody cloak gives them some sort Jedi powers I am sure.

DonDaddyD

Paul E wrote:

My first dry run into town a couple of sundays ago resulted in a few tourist peds stepping out on me as was about the take the turning onto northumberland avenue heading home, just not looking and walking out into the road against a red don't walk sign, the look I got was like I had just ran over a child, So I gave me most disapproving look and shake of me my head I passed them.

I am heading into two at 1 today for another dry/training run, will count how many do it to me again and the morons on charing cross road too who think walking just off the pavement forcing me out into the traffic more is a good idea. Mnnnngggghhhh

I feel your pain, but your route doesn't sound the safest to me, there are less pedestrian/tourist traffic heavy roads.

Where is your commute toand from?

kelsen wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I'm sorry but if you can't see a near 16stone black guy on a red bike with anything up to 6 lights approaching you (when at night), then you need a dog to help you across the road.

DDD, where you pootling along Clapham Common South Side this morning around 8.30? I went past a dude with humungous thighs riding a red Giant. I was expecting him to come by me along Clapham High St but didn't see him again.

Possibly, what bike were you on?

kelsen

DonDaddyD wrote:

kelsen wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I'm sorry but if you can't see a near 16stone black guy on a red bike with anything up to 6 lights approaching you (when at night), then you need a dog to help you across the road.

DDD, where you pootling along Clapham Common South Side this morning around 8.30? I went past a dude with humungous thighs riding a red Giant. I was expecting him to come by me along Clapham High St but didn't see him again.

Possibly, what bike were you on?

Aha...the standard non-commital SCR reply! I was on a black Tricross, black 3/4 bibs and gilet, white helly hansen l/s top, and black rucksack.

Paul E

DonDaddyD wrote:

I feel your pain, but your route doesn't sound the safest to me, there are less pedestrian/tourist traffic heavy roads.

Where is your commute to and from?

From woowich to shaftesbury ave, the part from home to embankment is fine, its just the last bit, no other way from embankment to the ave comes to mind

DonDaddyD

kelsen wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

kelsen wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I'm sorry but if you can't see a near 16stone black guy on a red bike with anything up to 6 lights approaching you (when at night), then you need a dog to help you across the road.

DDD, where you pootling along Clapham Common South Side this morning around 8.30? I went past a dude with humungous thighs riding a red Giant. I was expecting him to come by me along Clapham High St but didn't see him again.

Possibly, what bike were you on?

Aha...the standard non-commital SCR reply! I was on a black Tricross, black 3/4 bibs and gilet, white helly hansen l/s top, and black rucksack.

Clapham South tube just after the lights? Were you wearing gore 3/4lengths?

A person on a black Tricross did appear to pass me. I think I let them go....

DonDaddyD

Paul E wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I feel your pain, but your route doesn't sound the safest to me, there are less pedestrian/tourist traffic heavy roads.

Where is your commute to and from?

From woowich to shaftesbury ave, the part from home to embankment is fine, its just the last bit, no other way from embankment to the ave comes to mind

Make a thread, someone is bound to know of a side road or something you can go up that won't involve Charing Cross road.

glauciaregina9

Peds who look and step out without stopping are probably not really looking, just listeninig for an engine noise to indicate approaching traffic... damn these almost silent bicycles!!

Never had this problem myself, but in my books, the old 'you should be wearing hi-viz' comment is just a way for an embarassed ped to admit they should've been paying more attention... (ok, at night, it's sensible to wear one, but in broad daylight?!?!)

They wouldn't bump into you if you were walking along the pavement, so why on earth do you suddenty become invisible on a bike? And then it's all your fault for not wearing hi-viz stuff?

The world's a mad old place...

:-P

Paul E

DonDaddyD wrote:

Paul E wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I feel your pain, but your route doesn't sound the safest to me, there are less pedestrian/tourist traffic heavy roads.

Where is your commute to and from?

From woowich to shaftesbury ave, the part from home to embankment is fine, its just the last bit, no other way from embankment to the ave comes to mind

Make a thread, someone is bound to know of a side road or something you can go up that won't involve Charing Cross road.

Will do, to be honest charing cross road isn't too bad, going down any of the side roads around china town from experience are just as bad for brainless peds walking into the road

lost_in_thought

glauciaregina9 wrote:

Peds who look and step out without stopping are probably not really looking, just listeninig for an engine noise to indicate approaching traffic... damn these almost silent bicycles!!

Yep, that's where the good old bicycle bell comes in handy, or a bit of pre-emptive shouting. At least a bell makes people immediately think 'bicycle'...

rjsterry

Or as I had this morning, err...., just step out into the side of me, whilst looking in the opposite direction to the approaching traffic. All low speed and just an embarrassed ped, but could have been worse.

Agent57

glauciaregina9 wrote:

(ok, at night, it's sensible to wear one, but in broad daylight?!?!)

Hi-viz (as in day-glo yellow) doesn't do much at night, and pedestrians don't have lights strapped to their heads, so reflectives won't help much either. They just need to look properly; more so at night, as they should be aware that it's dark...

kelsen

DonDaddyD wrote:

Clapham South tube just after the lights? Were you wearing gore 3/4lengths?

A person on a black Tricross did appear to pass me. I think I let them go....

3/4 lengths but not Gore. Clapham South tube sound about right though. Anyway, if it was you, we won't call it a scalp for 2 reasons:

i) it looked like you were on a pootle day
ii) I don't take part in SCR (though I was chasing down a scooter just prior, and passed a couple of roadies in the process)

Good to spot somebody from the forum. You look like you could do some serious damage with those legs of yours!

wgwarburton

glauciaregina9 wrote:

....They wouldn't bump into you if you were walking along the pavement, so why on earth do you suddenty become invisible on a bike? ....

Classic SMIDSY situation. The brain is looking for motor vehicles so the eyes look right at you, dismiss you 'cos you don't fit the search criteria and the brain never even gets the chance to assess you...
When you suddenly encroach on their conciousness ("Hey...!").. you have effectively appeared from nowhere: one moment there was nothing there, and now there's an irate cyclist. The obvious conclusion is that you wern't visible when they looked before, so that's why they latch onto the hi-vis thing.
In many cases the pedestrian is more confused than you are. After all you are just wondering why they did something silly... they have no idea how you suddenly appeared without them seeing you coming!!

+1 on LiT's comment. Nothing says "bicycle" quite as well as a bell does. Ring it early, if you think you might need to, and their sub-concious will already be processing the "bicycle+warning" notion, increasing the chances of them noticing you.

Cheers,
W.

iPete

Is it wrong that I've been seriously considering one of these...

DonDaddyD

kelsen wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Clapham South tube just after the lights? Were you wearing gore 3/4lengths?

A person on a black Tricross did appear to pass me. I think I let them go....

3/4 lengths but not Gore. Clapham South tube sound about right though. Anyway, if it was you, we won't call it a scalp for 2 reasons:

i) it looked like you were on a pootle day
ii) I don't take part in SCR (though I was chasing down a scooter just prior, and passed a couple of roadies in the process)

Good to spot somebody from the forum. You look like you could do some serious damage with those legs of yours!

You're too kind.

I was pootling. I haven't ridden the bike for a solid week.

You looked pretty swift.

I'm backing off the SCR aspect, the increased number of cyclist and traffic for me makes it less than safe. I just ride and sprint where I feel appropriate these days.

Specialized Needs

Clever Pun wrote:

cutting put down.. work on that.

...

DonDaddyD wrote:

I'm sorry but if you can't see a near 16stone black guy on a red bike with anything up to 6 lights approaching you (when at night), then you need a dog to help you across the road.

Not bad, but I think it needs to be shorter, unless you are cycling really slowly

DonDaddyD

spen666

DonDaddyD wrote:

....


I'm backing off the SCR aspect, the increased number of cyclist and traffic for me makes it less than safe. I just ride and sprint where I feel appropriate these days.

{Translation mode] I'm fed up of getting overtaken by everyone, even that Granny on the old shopping bike.

I'll pretend I'm not bothered and hope no one notices how crap I am[/Translation mode]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kieran_Burns

WGWarburton wrote:

glauciaregina9 wrote:

....They wouldn't bump into you if you were walking along the pavement, so why on earth do you suddenty become invisible on a bike? ....

Classic SMIDSY situation. The brain is looking for motor vehicles so the eyes look right at you, dismiss you 'cos you don't fit the search criteria and the brain never even gets the chance to assess you...
When you suddenly encroach on their conciousness ("Hey...!").. you have effectively appeared from nowhere: one moment there was nothing there, and now there's an irate cyclist. The obvious conclusion is that you wern't visible when they looked before, so that's why they latch onto the hi-vis thing.
In many cases the pedestrian is more confused than you are. After all you are just wondering why they did something silly... they have no idea how you suddenly appeared without them seeing you coming!!

+1 on LiT's comment. Nothing says "bicycle" quite as well as a bell does. Ring it early, if you think you might need to, and their sub-concious will already be processing the "bicycle+warning" notion, increasing the chances of them noticing you.

Cheers, W.

I didn't see the link earlier, but those people who haven't seen this... and I love it:

http://www.dothetest.co.uk/basketball.html

You MUST count the number of passes to get it right.

For those who have seen this - SHUT UP

R_T_A

Kieran_Burns wrote:

I didn't see the link earlier, but those people who haven't seen this... and I love it:

http://www.dothetest.co.uk/basketball.html

You MUST count the number of passes to get it right.

For those who have seen this - SHUT UP

Now THAT is an advert - brilliant!

il_principe

kelsen wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

Clapham South tube just after the lights? Were you wearing gore 3/4lengths?

A person on a black Tricross did appear to pass me. I think I let them go....

3/4 lengths but not Gore. Clapham South tube sound about right though. Anyway, if it was you, we won't call it a scalp for 2 reasons:

i) it looked like you were on a pootle day
ii) I don't take part in SCR (though I was chasing down a scooter just prior, and passed a couple of roadies in the process)

Good to spot somebody from the forum. You look like you could do some serious damage with those legs of yours!

I'm sorry but this is b0ll0cks - DDD you were scalped!

MTFU the both of you.

downfader

lost_in_thought wrote:

glauciaregina9 wrote:

Peds who look and step out without stopping are probably not really looking, just listeninig for an engine noise to indicate approaching traffic... damn these almost silent bicycles!!

Yep, that's where the good old bicycle bell comes in handy, or a bit of pre-emptive shouting. At least a bell makes people immediately think 'bicycle'...

Just bought a loverly new bell the other weekend. Only trouble is the securing bracket dont fit. Got to figure out if I can make one a bit later

I run Hope Pro 3s and the clakety-clack seems to alert people that I'm approaching.

Had an incident today when a old dear was waiting to cross near a railway bridge. As I drew level with her she stepped off the pavement and very nearly got her feet run over. :oops: I had an overtaking car to my right so couldnt exactly move.

iPete wrote:

Is it wrong that I've been seriously considering one of these...

Have bought a horn like that. They're a lot louder than you'd imagine. Halford have started selling the old chrome and rubber horn (like on old cars), and the dutch cycle bells down here. VERY cool.