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London ride for 3 dead cyclists

bicebice Posts: 772
edited April 2010 in Commuting chat
Apparently there was a ride meeting at Waterloo Bridge on Friday night at 6pm to commemorate the three recently killed cyclists. The idea was to ride to the spots where they were killed.

Did anyone attend? I wanted to, but can't leave work before 8pm on Fridays. How many attended and was there any press coverage?

Did the mayor attend or comment?
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  • It was part of the Critical Mass ride. Some commentary online about it:
    http://velolovesthecity.blogspot.com/20 ... 32010.html

    http://crapwalthamforest.blogspot.com/2 ... ckney.html
  • roger_merrimanroger_merriman Posts: 6,148
    was part of the critical mass lot. with all the baggage that brings.

    don't think it got much press understandably, though I think one MP went.
  • bicebice Posts: 772
    was part of the critical mass lot. with all the baggage that brings.

    don't think it got much press understandably, though I think one MP went.

    Well, I reckon this was a really good thing to do and I wish I had joined them. Are the critical mass lot seen as confrontational/ daft/ whatever?
  • lost_in_thoughtlost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    bice wrote:
    was part of the critical mass lot. with all the baggage that brings.

    don't think it got much press understandably, though I think one MP went.

    Well, I reckon this was a really good thing to do and I wish I had joined them. Are the critical mass lot seen as confrontational/ daft/ whatever?

    It varies, seems to be like marmite...

    I for one am pretty anti-critical mass. Because it's ostensibly just a big group of cyclists out causing trouble, it only worsens motorist-cyclist relations.

    As I've said before, a motorist held up by a bunch of cyclists behaving in a yobbish fashion is very unlikely to think 'ah I sympathise with their cause (which I've worked out telepathically)'.
  • DonDaddyDDonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    I respect and admire the sentiment.

    I disagree with the mechanism used i.e. the critical mass.

    If critical mass riders respected the road rules and etiquette in general then I would join their numbers but by the very nature of large numbers of humans in one place, they often forget themselves.

    A more effective method would have been to dismount and walk on the pavement with bike on one shoulder. I think that would have made a far more poignant point. But I muse....

    Wonderful thing though to want to honor those cyclists, won't take that away from them.
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  • I've never been to a Critical Mass ride. I had intended to go last Friday but other things put a spanner in the works (I ended up working quite late).

    CM does get some negative press - I'm going to wait on forming a strong opinion one way or the other until I've actually been on one. But I do agree with the last couple of posters - how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?
    Never be tempted to race against a Barclays Cycle Hire bike. If you do, there are only two outcomes. Of these, by far the better is that you now have the scalp of a Boris Bike.
  • pete54pete54 Posts: 488
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    http://ibikelondon.blogspot.com/2010/03/thank-you-london-cyclists.html

    "People holding up the traffic took the time to explain to drivers that the ride was visiting the three crash sites and there were only a few occassions of aggressive drivers not prepared to wait for a few minutes as the Mass rolled past."
  • PorgyPorgy Posts: 4,558
    When I was involved in CM in early/ mid 90s there was a real need for it. things have improved tremendously on the roads since then - and far from getting negative responses from the public I used to get mostly positives. I was one of the many using CM as a chance to give out information leaflets - and in the first few years CM increased from a tiny ride to a massive event.

    Countless hundreds, maybe thousands probably had their first riding experience in London thanks to CM. and I know a few amongst my friends who have stuck at it ever since.

    and far from trying to start trouble most of us were working to prevent trouble.

    I do think CM has had its day now though - though personally I still find it a thrill to be cycling on bike filled, and not car filled, streets.

    I can't speak for the last 10 or so years but the only yobs I saw on CM from 1994 to 1999 were in cars.
  • owenlarsowenlars Posts: 719
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    IWonderful thing though to want to honor those cyclists, won't take that away from them.

    At the risk of being controversial we need to understand the circumstances behind each accident before we get too mawkish. There is far too much jumping to conclusions!
  • bicebice Posts: 772
    owenlars wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    IWonderful thing though to want to honor those cyclists, won't take that away from them.

    At the risk of being controversial we need to understand the circumstances behind each accident before we get too mawkish. There is far too much jumping to conclusions!

    Eh? I think the only point is that three cyclists have come to their conclusions in accidents.
  • was part of the critical mass lot. with all the baggage that brings.

    don't think it got much press understandably, though I think one MP went.

    The Standard reported it, surprisingly.

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23819292-bike-ride-will-honour-three-london-cyclists-killed-by-lorries.do

    Jenny Jones was there.

    And so was I, but it wasn't that pleasant for me. The pace was really slow and I ended up freezing. Wasn't wearing the warmest of gear and not being able to cycle fast, I couldn't warm up! Also, I saw a cyclist, big guy, beer can in hand, viciously insulting another cyclist who got off his bike to walk it on the pavement (get back on your f***ing bike!) and then launched a torrent of abuse at a driver who was stuck near the Shard with all of us around him. Apalling behaviour, big time [email protected] Yeah, I know, it was only ONE guy, but it should be even ONE! Antagonizing other road users will get us nowhere.

    It was my second Critical Mass and it will be the last one!
  • Porgy wrote:
    When I was involved in CM in early/ mid 90s there was a real need for it. things have improved tremendously on the roads since then - and far from getting negative responses from the public I used to get mostly positives. I was one of the many using CM as a chance to give out information leaflets - and in the first few years CM increased from a tiny ride to a massive event.

    Agreed with this totally. It served its purpose in those days.
  • Oh ,why did I look at that Evening Standard link? Full of the usual ranters below the line.

    Take "Josh" who claims to have been injured by cyclists 5 times in the last 6 months. Yeah, right.

    He also has "never been hit by a car" but "nearly been hit by a cyclist" 4 times this week alone. "Never" vs "nearly" - hmm!

    I think you're looking the wrong way when you "jaywalk", mate. :evil:
    Never be tempted to race against a Barclays Cycle Hire bike. If you do, there are only two outcomes. Of these, by far the better is that you now have the scalp of a Boris Bike.
  • prj45prj45 Posts: 2,208
    I went and this critical mass wasn't as militant as the previous one I'd attended, which I left half way through cos I didn't want to be part of it down to the behaviour of some of the attendees

    There were some people holding their bikes up in junctions which I find a little over antagonistic, but in the main a very good night.

    I will go to the next one to see if it reverts to its more militant form.

    Oh, and it was a bit too much of a fashion show for my liking.
  • prj45prj45 Posts: 2,208
    Also, I saw a cyclist, big guy, beer can in hand, viciously insulting another cyclist who got off his bike to walk it on the pavement (get back on your f***ing bike!)

    I walked that bit too, it was a one way street., Cor I wish he'd said that to me, we'd have been finding out if his bike fitted up his censored sideways and what noise his bell made after.
  • DonDaddyDDonDaddyD Posts: 12,689
    bice wrote:
    owenlars wrote:
    DonDaddyD wrote:
    IWonderful thing though to want to honor those cyclists, won't take that away from them.

    At the risk of being controversial we need to understand the circumstances behind each accident before we get too mawkish. There is far too much jumping to conclusions!

    Eh? I think the only point is that three cyclists have come to their conclusions in accidents.

    +1.

    Sometimes you have to set aside the differences and remember that human lives were lost.

    sheesh.
    Food Chain number = 4

    A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes
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  • spen666 wrote:
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes

    Funny, I thought there was more to it than that. Seems I guessed wrong.
    Never be tempted to race against a Barclays Cycle Hire bike. If you do, there are only two outcomes. Of these, by far the better is that you now have the scalp of a Boris Bike.
  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    spen666 wrote:
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes

    Funny, I thought there was more to it than that. Seems I guessed wrong.
    Its whatever you want ity to be. There is no single reason people take part in CM
    Want to know the Spen666 behind the posts?
    Then read MY BLOG @ http://www.pebennett.com

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  • lost_in_thoughtlost_in_thought Posts: 10,563
    spen666 wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes

    Funny, I thought there was more to it than that. Seems I guessed wrong.
    Its whatever you want ity to be. There is no single reason people take part in CM

    Do you take part in CM, Spen?

    Why do you do it? Not being inflammatory, just curious - you seem to have your head screwed on, yet I think it's idiotic and counter-productive, so interested to get another view.
  • spen666 wrote:
    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes
    spen666 wrote:
    Its whatever you want ity to be. There is no single reason people take part in CM

    Yup, much clearer now!
    Never be tempted to race against a Barclays Cycle Hire bike. If you do, there are only two outcomes. Of these, by far the better is that you now have the scalp of a Boris Bike.
  • iPeteiPete Posts: 6,076
    I'd be far more likely to turn up to an event like CM if the main priority was to get a cycle safety message across, rather than a no agenda cruise around the streets pissing off drivers.

    Still, In a way it would have been interesting to attend fridays ride with 600 other people, just to see what it was about but injury is keeping me off the bike.

    Off topic, looking at some blog photos from the event, reminds me of the 30 seconds from mars video, king and queens, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJmYnTxT3w :lol:
  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709

    Do you take part in CM, Spen?

    Why do you do it? Not being inflammatory, just curious - you seem to have your head screwed on, yet I think it's idiotic and counter-productive, so interested to get another view.

    I turn up for the social side- meet friends and go off for pancakes afterwards
    Want to know the Spen666 behind the posts?
    Then read MY BLOG @ http://www.pebennett.com

    Twittering @spen_666
  • MonkeypumpMonkeypump Posts: 1,528
    spen666 wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes

    Funny, I thought there was more to it than that. Seems I guessed wrong.
    Its whatever you want ity to be. There is no single reason people take part in CM

    Perhaps I'm being cynical, but is it possible that the tragic loss of three lives (whatever the circumstances) conveniently provided more ammunition for 'the cause' for SOME (more militant) CM riders?
  • bicebice Posts: 772
    Monkeypump wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes

    Funny, I thought there was more to it than that. Seems I guessed wrong.
    Its whatever you want ity to be. There is no single reason people take part in CM

    Perhaps I'm being cynical, but is it possible that the tragic loss of three lives (whatever the circumstances) conveniently provided more ammunition for 'the cause' for SOME (more militant) CM riders?

    I don't particularly want to get involved with a load of aggressive tosers, such as the guy described above. But at least they are activists, which means you are bound to get rough edges.

    I think riding to mourn 3 dead London cyclists was a really good thing and I wish I had done it.

    I would also ride to oppose Boris's gimmicky £114m cycle hire scheme (for 6,000 bikes!), as opposed to using the money on road safety - the KEY concern of London cyclists.

    Maybe CM just needs to be more specific, as there are a fair number of issues London cyclists should demonstrate about.
  • W1W1 Posts: 2,636
    bice wrote:
    Monkeypump wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    spen666 wrote:
    how would anyone seeing the CM ride actually know what it was about?

    Its about riding a bike!

    The clue is hundreds ofpeople riding their bikes

    Funny, I thought there was more to it than that. Seems I guessed wrong.
    Its whatever you want ity to be. There is no single reason people take part in CM

    Perhaps I'm being cynical, but is it possible that the tragic loss of three lives (whatever the circumstances) conveniently provided more ammunition for 'the cause' for SOME (more militant) CM riders?

    I don't particularly want to get involved with a load of aggressive tosers, such as the guy described above. But at least they are activists, which means you are bound to get rough edges.

    I think riding to mourn 3 dead London cyclists was a really good thing and I wish I had done it.

    I would also ride to oppose Boris's gimmicky £114m cycle hire scheme (for 6,000 bikes!), as opposed to using the money on road safety - the KEY concern of London cyclists.

    Maybe CM just needs to be more specific, as there are a fair number of issues London cyclists should demonstrate about.

    Heading off topic here, but in my opinion having 6,000 more cyclists on the roads will add to road safety for cyclists - safety in numbers.
  • Spotted this video of the ride online, worth a watch:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2s-OHrINU
  • bicebice Posts: 772
    Spotted this video of the ride online, worth a watch:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2s-OHrINU

    Great link. Good bit of social network journalism. Unfortunately, no driver would have had a clue what the ride was about: not placards, handouts. I think if people had understood what it was about they would have been more sympathetic to it.

    Re Boris, 6,000 hire cycles are pathetic at that cost. The money should be spent on better causes and the only cause that really matters in London is road safety. (I am not knocking him. he's a libertarian maverick and has an interest in cycling in London. But the hire scheme is an expensive distraction. It is the sort of thing better funded by one of Ken's Peckham collectives, I reckon. Sure, the money would have been frittered away in the end, but that is often the way with social investment where it is difficult to keep momentum up etc.)
  • PorgyPorgy Posts: 4,558
    spen666 wrote:

    Do you take part in CM, Spen?

    Why do you do it? Not being inflammatory, just curious - you seem to have your head screwed on, yet I think it's idiotic and counter-productive, so interested to get another view.

    I turn up for the social side- meet friends and go off for pancakes afterwards

    I thought CM was illegal. :?
  • spen666spen666 Posts: 17,709
    Porgy wrote:
    spen666 wrote:

    Do you take part in CM, Spen?

    Why do you do it? Not being inflammatory, just curious - you seem to have your head screwed on, yet I think it's idiotic and counter-productive, so interested to get another view.

    I turn up for the social side- meet friends and go off for pancakes afterwards

    I thought CM was illegal. :?

    You thought wrong.

    CM is no more illegal than cars in a procession in traffic jam at rushhour is illegal
    Want to know the Spen666 behind the posts?
    Then read MY BLOG @ http://www.pebennett.com

    Twittering @spen_666
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