Good news /bad news

spen666

Rick Chasey wrote:

RockyHopperShow wrote:

It's strange how you can become numb to a lot of these crimes because there are so many of them nowadays unfortunately. But reading that Huntley was attacked brought the Soham case back, and with that the suffering of those two little girls and the prolonged (but ultimately futile) hope/worry for those poor parents. The reports of the abuse and final murder of Baby Peter was too much for me to read at times. I have to say it, and I respect the views of those who don't agree, but why aren't we stringing these b*st*rds up with piano wire? We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

Violent crime in the UK is at it's lowest its ever been.

Violent crime has been largely in decline over the past 60 years.

It just gets reported better.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics

rick_chasey

spen666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

RockyHopperShow wrote:

It's strange how you can become numb to a lot of these crimes because there are so many of them nowadays unfortunately. But reading that Huntley was attacked brought the Soham case back, and with that the suffering of those two little girls and the prolonged (but ultimately futile) hope/worry for those poor parents. The reports of the abuse and final murder of Baby Peter was too much for me to read at times. I have to say it, and I respect the views of those who don't agree, but why aren't we stringing these b*st*rds up with piano wire? We know who committed these crimes, there is no reasonable doubt.

Violent crime in the UK is at it's lowest its ever been.

Violent crime has been largely in decline over the past 60 years.

It just gets reported better.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics

A clichéd response?

Damn, I'm convinced. :roll:

dg74

Come on. For people like Huntley et al, all they should be allowed is a sparse cell, no entertainment bar the odd book, basic meals and an hour in the yard a day. Hard labor and nothing else.

These people decided to take the route they took, no one forced them If you want to act like an animal then you should be treat like an animal (so in that case, take the book away).

None of this DVD players, mobile phones, LUXURIES bollocks.

You made your bed, you lie in it.

blackpanther

Heckler1974 wrote:

Introduce waterboarding and torture for crimes considered 'inhuman' so we can all partake as a society in the barbaric inhumaness we purport to condemn and punish with the waterboarding and torture.

An example must be made and punishment must meet the crime.

Its unpleasent but so is huntley.

blackpanther

Smokin Joe wrote:

Unfortunately blackpanther, most of the people who would be willing to carry out those punishments are themselves already locked up for similar crimes.

I imagine there would be no shortage of volunteers in huntleys case. Anyway, it would make good use of resources to fully employ the talents of our incarcerated sadists. With a promise that any holding back would mean trouble theyd be forced to become more and more inventive and cruel.

blackpanther

dg74 wrote:

Come on. For people like Huntley et al, all they should be allowed is a sparse cell, no entertainment bar the odd book, basic meals and an hour in the yard a day. Hard labor and nothing else.

These people decided to take the route they took, no one forced them If you want to act like an animal then you should be treat like an animal (so in that case, take the book away).

None of this DVD players, mobile phones, LUXURIES bollocks.

You made your bed, you lie in it.

+1

Heckler1974

blackpanther wrote:

An example must be made and punishment must meet the crime.

Its unpleasent but so is huntley.

By all means protect society from individuals who by their nature or choices (which school of thought you adhere to) are dangerous to the rest of society by imprisioning them, if neccessary forever, but to suggest torturing them creates a situation of total hypocrisy. Huntley is unpleasent, thankfully most of society isn't and the steps it takes to protect itself shouldn't be either.

As to the idea that examples must be made (presumably for a deterrent) do you honestly think for a moment that Huntley would have weighed up the possibility of torture (if that were the norm) before his numerous crimes and not commited them?

jedster

Yup, the person who did it could have been a national hero, never mind, only a matter of time.

Alright so I wouldn't have been sad if it had been fatal but to say that the bloke that did it would be a "national hero"! Now I don't know who this bloke is but I'm guessing anyone wielding a blade in a maximum security jail is much more likely to fit the description "utter scumbag" than "hero". Scumbag knifing scumbag does not become a hero. At least not in these eyes.

J

Heckler1974

blackpanther wrote:

I imagine there would be no shortage of volunteers in huntleys case. Anyway, it would make good use of resources to fully employ the talents of our incarcerated sadists. With a promise that any holding back would mean trouble theyd be forced to become more and more inventive and cruel.

Good idea, why try and cure the sadists when you can reinforce their natures?

That whistling sound you would hear would be society nose diving into the gutter.

rhext

I might support a return of the death penalty the day someone develops a 100% accurate means of determining someone's guilt. So I'm with the 'don't agree' section of society too.

Same argument goes for the 'turn the rest of his/her life into a living hell' type punishments too. These might be OK if you can absolutely 100% guarantee that you've got the right person, but examples already cited would indicate that you can't!

blackpanther

Heckler1974 wrote:

blackpanther wrote:

I imagine there would be no shortage of volunteers in huntleys case. Anyway, it would make good use of resources to fully employ the talents of our incarcerated sadists. With a promise that any holding back would mean trouble theyd be forced to become more and more inventive and cruel.

Good idea, why try and cure the sadists when you can reinforce their natures?

That whistling sound you would hear would be society nose diving into the gutter.

what would it really matter what happened to their natures if they were removed from society? let them crush and break each other.

More importantly what a waste of resources to try and "cure" sadism in those who will never again be allowed into society. in any case can sadism be cured?

magicrhodes

Death Penalty? I don't want murder carried out in my name with my money thank you.

As for people who complain about Human Rights have you ever actually read them... they aren't that bad or stupid!

That said, for me prision would be a mixture of learning and valuable work (for society, like litter picking) and pointless work (breaking rocks) if they are coming out if they are not coming out then just work

Heckler1974

blackpanther wrote:

More importantly what a waste of resources to try and "cure" sadism in those who will never again be allowed into society. in any case can sadism be cured?

Better still match them in gladiatorial combat and put it on Sky pay per view, after all it worked for the Romans and they were a decent civilised society.

As to whether you can cure someone with sadistic tendancies I have no idea, but I'll wager that indulging those tendancies won't cure them......

fast as fupp

Bunneh wrote:

They won't bring back the death penalty due to 'human rights' - imo these people aren't human, thus have no rights and need burning.

thats the philosophy that leads to the gas chamber

blu3cat

Heckler1974 wrote:

blackpanther wrote:

More importantly what a waste of resources to try and "cure" sadism in those who will never again be allowed into society. in any case can sadism be cured?

Better still match them in gladiatorial combat and put it on Sky pay per view, after all it worked for the Romans and they were a decent civilised society.

As to whether you can cure someone with sadistic tendancies I have no idea, but I'll wager that indulging those tendancies won't cure them......

Is it sadistic to want see pain inflicted on the people who have commited crimes?

Heckler1974

blu3cat wrote:

Is it sadistic to want see pain inflicted on the people who have commited crimes?

Well it's certainly setting yourself up to be no better than the people who commited the crimes.

fast as fupp

blackpanther wrote:

No Death penalty we can be far more creative in punishment than that.

Periodic sensory depravation. sometimes with pain or waterboarding, sometimes with nothing.

not constantly but enough to live in constant fear that it might start again.

in other words make these people live in a constant state of fear and constant stress but make sure they live for a long time.

Isolation, humiliation, environmental discomfort, mental cruelty. whatever just keep evolving so theres no plateau in pain and if they ever become sub human enough that it ceases to be as effective help them get a little bit better.

Obviously if theyre a massochist this might be heaven not hell but done properly there will be no enjoyment just a wearing sense unhappiness and despair. An insight into the suffering theyve caused.

you'd have been the life and soul of the party in belsen

zanes

People need to remember that "Human Rights" don't just start when you're arrested/charged/sentenced. Fast as fupp, nail, head, hit.

Heckler1974

fast as fupp wrote:

you'd have been the life and soul of the party in belsen

Godwin's law and I claim my five pounds!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Westerberg

I can almost hear some of the posters here salivating as they are thinking up new and sadistic ways to torture prisoners. :roll:

magicrhodes

fast as fupp wrote:

blackpanther wrote:

No Death penalty we can be far more creative in punishment than that.

Periodic sensory depravation. sometimes with pain or waterboarding, sometimes with nothing.

not constantly but enough to live in constant fear that it might start again.

in other words make these people live in a constant state of fear and constant stress but make sure they live for a long time.

Isolation, humiliation, environmental discomfort, mental cruelty. whatever just keep evolving so theres no plateau in pain and if they ever become sub human enough that it ceases to be as effective help them get a little bit better.

Obviously if theyre a massochist this might be heaven not hell but done properly there will be no enjoyment just a wearing sense unhappiness and despair. An insight into the suffering theyve caused.

you'd have been the life and soul of the party in belsen

Getting dangerously close to Godwin's Law here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

magicrhodes

Heckler1974 wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

you'd have been the life and soul of the party in belsen

Godwin's law and I claim my five pounds!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Damn beat me to it!

fast as fupp

Heckler1974 wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

you'd have been the life and soul of the party in belsen

Godwin's law and I claim my five pounds!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

hahaha! sorry im skint!

blu3cat

fast as fupp wrote:

Heckler1974 wrote:

fast as fupp wrote:

you'd have been the life and soul of the party in belsen

Godwin's law and I claim my five pounds!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

hahaha! sorry im skint!

don't turn to crime to make ends meet.

blackpanther

yes its getting close to liberal name calling again.

Now Im a nazi already and soon (if things go the way they have in the past) ill be a racist too, just becasue i believe the people guilty of the most vile crimes should be punished and since theyve put them selves beyond the norms of our society should be punished outside of normally acceptable boundries as examples.

LittleB0b

ride_whenever wrote:

Even consensually? :twisted:

Is that a proposition?

I think i'd rather have flowers

blu3cat

blackpanther wrote:

yes its getting close to liberal name calling again.

Now Im a nazi already and soon (if things go the way they have in the past) ill be a racist too, just becasue i believe the people guilty of the most vile crimes should be punished and since theyve put them selves beyond the norms of our society should be punished outside of normally acceptable boundries as examples.

I agree that name calling is uncalled for and unfortunately these things can degenerate sometimes.

Unfortunately, the acceptable boundaries of society is a very "elastic" term, and a lot of society see capital punishment as beyond the acceptable boudaries of society.

If you can define the boundaries and you punish them outside these defined boundaries, you are as guilty of transgression as the people you are punishing. you therefore deserve to be punished, and so it goes on.

fast as fupp

blackpanther wrote:

yes its getting close to liberal name calling again.

Now Im a nazi already and soon (if things go the way they have in the past) ill be a racist too, just becasue i believe the people guilty of the most vile crimes should be punished and since theyve put them selves beyond the norms of our society should be punished outside of normally acceptable boundries as examples.

they did have lovely uniforms though

*goose-steps around chez fupp*

blackpanther

blu3cat wrote:

blackpanther wrote:

yes its getting close to liberal name calling again.

Now Im a nazi already and soon (if things go the way they have in the past) ill be a racist too, just becasue i believe the people guilty of the most vile crimes should be punished and since theyve put them selves beyond the norms of our society should be punished outside of normally acceptable boundries as examples.

I agree that name calling is uncalled for and unfortunately these things can degenerate sometimes.

Unfortunately, the acceptable boundaries of society is a very "elastic" term, and a lot of society see capital punishment as beyond the acceptable boudaries of society.

If you can define the boundaries and you punish them outside these defined boundaries, you are as guilty of transgression as the people you are punishing. you therefore deserve to be punished, and so it goes on.

Nonsense, they put themselves into a parralel and unacceptable state once they have chosen to leave the societal norms. Consequently they can be punished AND be seen as an aexample

blu3cat

blackpanther wrote:

blu3cat wrote:

blackpanther wrote:

yes its getting close to liberal name calling again.

Now Im a nazi already and soon (if things go the way they have in the past) ill be a racist too, just becasue i believe the people guilty of the most vile crimes should be punished and since theyve put them selves beyond the norms of our society should be punished outside of normally acceptable boundries as examples.

I agree that name calling is uncalled for and unfortunately these things can degenerate sometimes.

Unfortunately, the acceptable boundaries of society is a very "elastic" term, and a lot of society see capital punishment as beyond the acceptable boudaries of society.

If you can define the boundaries and you punish them outside these defined boundaries, you are as guilty of transgression as the people you are punishing. you therefore deserve to be punished, and so it goes on.

Nonsense, they put themselves into a parralel and unacceptable state once they have chosen to leave the societal norms. Consequently they can be punished AND be seen as an aexample

I disagree with your viewpoint

If a person punishes someone who breaks a law in a way that breaks a law then they are guilty of a crime and therefore deserve punishing themselves because they have broken the law.

it's a circular thing.

By entension, is vigilantism acceptable?